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      #96205 - 07/02/08 10:05 PM

this is a link that was sent to me, and i find it well worth a read. especially for the ones here that work and train there dogs. they also have some good books on the subject.

http://www.unitedbloodtrackers.org/index.php

have fun

peter


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Re: blood trackers [Re: peter]
      #96206 - 07/02/08 10:07 PM

another good site, from norway even.

http://www.thetroutbum.com/hundeside3spor.htm

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peter


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Re: blood trackers [Re: peter]
      #96208 - 07/02/08 10:10 PM

the danish schweisshound reg.

http://www.schweiss.dk/page13.aspx

i love this setup, everybody should have one like it.

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Re: blood trackers [Re: peter]
      #96287 - 08/02/08 01:29 PM

Peter:

Thanks for posting all this stuff. I must read it all!

There is something of a growing movement in some states over here to allow tracking dogs for locating wounded game. Most US states ban the use of dogs to "hunt" big game {except some Southern states}, and few game departments seem to understand the proper use of a tracking dog and the value of such a dog to conservation of game.

Igien, tak for det!

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Re: blood trackers [Re: 9.3x57]
      #96307 - 08/02/08 08:19 PM

your wellcome 9,3

the united bloodtrackers are american, i only now understood that you in many states are not allowed to use tracking dogs while hunting big game. damn stupid in my book, but that is usually the lawmakers ways.

the reason why im shifting to the malamute is that it dont bark or announces itself in the woods when on track, because in sweden when they do this it is like a dinner bell to the wolfes.

do read through it, alot of good tips and tricks of the "trade"

regards

peter


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Re: blood trackers [Re: peter]
      #96324 - 09/02/08 01:29 AM

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because in sweden when they do this it is like a dinner bell to the wolfes.




Now if that ain't like tossing a bucket of gasoline on the fire!!!

The historical reason behind the anti-dog attitude of many State laws banning dogs on big game is hard to pin down, but it seems to revolve around a whole host of issues; tresspass rights, the belief that the use of dogs on big game is "unsporting", etc.

The use of dogs for tracking wounded game has never been popular in the USA except for some limited areas where they are legal for hunting big game.

Remember, too, because hunting is open to the "common man" and we have MANY hunters, the purpose of MANY US game laws is simply to make killing game more difficult. Short seasons, gun limitations, antler restrictions, prohibition on use of bait, night hunting, etc all are used to make the kill more difficult. The use of dogs in this context, particularly in the northern States has traditionally been seen to be "unsporting" {as are the other banned activities above}. So when a fellow tries to tell the Game Department of Idaho that dogs can be used not for "hunting" per se but rather for "tracking", all most of the Game Department officials can think of is a bunch of unmanaged howling butchers running free in the woods. They do not understand how tracking dogs can be used to conserve game.

Imagine a 55% recovery rate on bull elk for example. The Game Department knows that MANY elk are hit and lost, which means the hunter just keeps hunting and might therefore shoot another. Result; two bull elk killed, only one recovered, only one tagged. I have been speaking to several officials about just how tracking dogs could be used to recover some of these elk.

In all seriousness, with the damage being done to our herds by unrestricted wolf packs right now, recently some of the fellows I've spoken to are starting to listen. Your links here are instructive and very timely, as this year promises to be a devastating winter; both for winter kill itself and for predation on concentrated game. Game conservation is going to be a popular topic and maybe more will be willing to listen to options for the future.

In addition, I see game tracking with dogs as another sport that could be/would be regulated by the State. Like with hunting licenses, fees would be charged and it might be another source of income for the Game Department. If nothing else, maybe $$$ will get their attention...?

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Re: blood trackers [Re: 9.3x57]
      #96347 - 09/02/08 07:43 AM

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In addition, I see game tracking with dogs as another sport that could be/would be regulated by the State. Like with hunting licenses, fees would be charged and it might be another source of income for the Game Department. If nothing else, maybe $$$ will get their attention...?




look at the danish system, it works because the country is very small, but good for ideas non the less. remember if you are part of the sweisshound reg. you dont trespass as you are on official buisness for the state, like a game ranger etc....so they have unlimited access while on the track.

i hope you enjoy the read as much as i do since this have been a part of my life always, and a very near and dear part as well.

regards

peter

p.s. the wolfe thing, i know where you are coming from and i understand your oppinions, i just dont agree with you on this.


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Re: blood trackers [Re: peter]
      #124915 - 23/01/09 05:30 AM

I had a blood thirsty mutt that would track deer for me. Found one I shot poorly with a bow that I would not have found. While its use is illegal in MN I was "grouse" hunting with a shotgun when I found the deer I had shot the night before. Marked the location and came back. That dog had found a couple of deer for me. I hunt on my own land. The inability to use a dog to track wounded game is ridiculous. When I used that dog she was mostly on a leash. Sometimes in Mn you get a pack of coyotes that find the game before you do if it has to wait overnight. Timber wolves are not a problem in my area but are in the NE. The Federal government did not understand that while there were and are only a few wolves in MN and the US, Canada had plenty of them which could run across the Rainy River when frozen at will. Theres a group taht seems to think they are big puppy dogs and keep lobbying to protect them.

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Re: blood trackers [Re: David_P]
      #128983 - 08/03/09 02:30 AM

Good News!!!

My proposal has been reviewed by the Game Commissioners and is undergoing the scoping process and will be submitted for public review later this Spring.

I am told by Fish and Game they anticipate my proposed regulations changes will occur for the 2010 season and use of blood tracking dogs for use recovering wounded game will be legal in the State of Idaho!



Thanks for all your help. It isn't a done deal yet, but looking very good indeed!

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Re: blood trackers [Re: 9.3x57]
      #136080 - 25/05/09 12:24 AM

I found a copy of this book the other day - it is quite an interesting read from a US perspective...
http://www.born-to-track.com/


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Re: blood trackers [Re: JabaliHunter]
      #136081 - 25/05/09 12:33 AM

Jabali, great source!

John Jeanneney was one of the first I contacted and he was very helpful in getting me started on a proposal to change regulations here in Idaho.

Hopefully my proposal will be formally implemented for the 2010 season.

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