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beleg2
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Ball from a smothbore.
#94453 - 17/01/08 05:55 AM

I was looking for interesing patents and found this patent for shooting round balls.
See the picture on last page.
I wish I can get those wads.

http://v3.espacenet.com/origdoc?DB=EPODOC&IDX=CZ4812U&F=0&QPN=CZ4812U

Thanks
Martin

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88MauSporter
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Re: Ball from a smothbore. [Re: beleg2]
#94454 - 17/01/08 06:25 AM

Martin:
I do like it. I wish S&B products were more available here in the USA. We do have a good supply of some calibers, but not the calibers and loads more popular in Europe or elsewhere. A company here in the USA, Ballistic products, makes specialty shotgun wads, slugs, tools and other reloading materials.
They have a similar design, but with a longer wad column. They have these for bore size ball and then an undersize ball that will fit inside a standard shotcup.
The wad you present from S&B would solve the "choke" bore issue, or at least that appears to.

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DarylS
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Re: Ball from a smothbore. [Re: 88MauSporter]
#96491 - 11/02/08 05:05 AM

Lyman lists loads for the 20 bore, that have round balls and conical .54 cal bullets set inside normal shot wads. The conicals would have to be shot from rifled barrels and were in 450gr. weigths at around 1,200fps to 1,400fps range.
: If driven from a twist of around 32" or a bit faster, maybe 28, they'd be quite accurate and very powerful. I suppose a 35" twist would be ok as well. I've no idea what the rifled 20 bore shotgun tubes carry for rifling.
; In 12 bore, a 16 bore ball should be useable inside normal shot wads, like trap wads with a filler of a 20 bore wad inside as well. Of course, the nice thing about using this system, is the legs of the wad collaps and give the correct length for crimping.
; My friends use coth patched undersized round balls in their choked guns. They are currently using .680" balls.

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Daryl

"a gun without hammers is like a Spaniel without ears" King George V

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beleg2
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Re: Ball from a smothbore. [Re: DarylS]
#96511 - 11/02/08 09:04 AM

Daryl,
You better write a book about loading balls and bullets for shotguns.
You will work less than answering out questions.LOL
Thanks
Martin

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DarylS
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Re: Ball from a smothbore. [Re: beleg2]
#96517 - 11/02/08 11:16 AM

Pleasure is all mine, if it helps. I like reading, but not writing.
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