http://www.champlinarms.com/Default.aspx...&GunID=1057

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Josef Just in Ferlach, Austria: An 8 Bore Paradox Made in 1925 as a single bore with a Jones Style Underlever with rebounding hammer on the right back lock. It has a 1/2 round and 1/2 octagon barrel with an integral front ramp and 1 standing rear sight. The bore of this gun .880" from throat to the paradox choke, the 6 groove paradox choke is 4" long with a bore size of .852" and a groove of .872" and the chamber is 3" long at .915" with a rim diameter of 1.034". The piece comes out at 11 lbs. 15 oz., has 65% coverage of scroll engraving and retains 75% original case colors. The bore on this gun is as new and it overall is a 90-92% gun. It has a set trigger, cheekpiece for the right hand and 14 1/2" LOP over a pad. The markings are J. Just and Ferlach Austria.

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Rock my world!

Curl

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Let's keep it clean now.

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I'd be curious to know the intended use of such a gun built in 1925.

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Pole vaulting!

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I'd be curious to know the intended use of such a gun built in 1925.

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Pole vaulting!

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C'mon, nobody else is straining to think who had this thing built and what for, where, etc?

In 1925, an 8-bore Paradox? Austrian to-boot? I'd love to know who had it built, where it was headed, if it ever got there, what it shot {and what it didn't...}, why it is in great shape as opposed to used hard, etc.

Smith and Wesson offers a service to research or "letter" their revolvers and while most of the time the info gained is pretty boring stuff, sometimes the "shipped to" portion reveals an interesting story. I think this thing has a story, at least during its "commissioning".

Those of you who are knowledgeable about these things, isn't an Austrian 8 ga jungle gun a bit of an oddity as made in 1925?

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So...., what? No elephants were shot by Europeans in 1925?

C'mon guys!

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Hard to believe that some guys are using this site, and don't know much about the history

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It is quite as powerful a weapon as most 8-bore rifles...

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So in a few years time, when SAUMs and WSSMs etc have been around for 15 years or so, nobody is ever going to order a .30-06 again? ...and the Blah-zer will have relegated the 98 Mauser to the scrap-heap? Hmmm, perhaps not.

1925 was only 15 to 20 years after the mainstream acceptance of most of the big NE cartridges, and half that period was 'wasted' on the Great War. More than 80 years have passed since then. Those who were raised on the ULH Express would have still been alive and well, ordering new guns, and hunting, in 1925. I think it is probably a little difficult to put that time-frame into proper perspective today.

Anyone know when Hollands made their last 8-bore Paradox? Bet it was this side of 1925.

And BTW, that 8-bore is very nice indeed but it is hardly an exhibition gun. Looks like a good-quality European working rifle to me, although it certainly hasn't done much work! [/quote







: Could be - but that comparrison wouldn't be valid.
; The comparrison could be made in changing from the current line of modern smokeless rifles to lazers or some other method of 'firing' a 'gun', were that to happen & become popular for 30 years, including a world war that displayed the the use and superiority of the 'new' weapon's fire-power.

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Marrakai,
The last Holland 10 paradox ( .805 vs .835 for an 8 ) was made in 1929 and was one of the last 2 or 3 paradox guns made untill recently. Eventhough the 10 had a nitro load in '29 the ballistics were the same as the 1890's 8 dram black powder load. It would be interesting to know who the gun was made for and where it went off to. I recall reading about one Hollad 8 single that was made for a family that had coffee and sugar holdings and they wanted the gun for protection against DG when checking the crops and used it for that well past the 30's.

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Marrakai,
The last Holland 10 paradox ( .805 vs .835 for an 8 ) was made in 1929 and was one of the last 2 or 3 paradox guns made untill recently. Eventhough the 10 had a nitro load in '29 the ballistics were the same as the 1890's 8 dram black powder load. It would be interesting to know who the gun was made for and where it went off to. I recall reading about one Hollad 8 single that was made for a family that had coffee and sugar holdings and they wanted the gun for protection against DG when checking the crops and used it for that well past the 30's.

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Gatsby

Any chance you know what the 10 bore nitro loading was for that rifle?

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Mickey!!

Read the .775 Rigby artical from Gun Digest 1996....any 10 bore affectionado ought to read it twice a day..I still do.

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RM,
I would love to read the article but where do you find a 1996 Gun Digest? Who authored the article?

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The germans and austrian often build unusual an "strange" guns when they attend their masterletter as an gunsmith. But they are still building hammer singles,drillings,fierlings and funflings today but probably an 10 bore would only be built after order. They have a realy long tradition building the stranges guns, just check out the Karl Hauptman guns att holts. And they are almost ordinary rifles in germany, that will say when you got the money to by from a gunsmith.

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9.3x57- I think this rifle is the result of someone displaying their workmanship alone - nothing more. It was not built for a specific animal at that stage of the game, in 1925, I mean. It is a "Look what I built" type of gun. it is a masterpiece - workmanship thought dead after 1910 - but still alive. I love it.

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The germans and austrian often build unusual an "strange" guns when they attend their masterletter as an gunsmith. But they are still building hammer singles,drillings,fierlings and funflings today but probably an 10 bore would only be built after order. They have a realy long tradition building the stranges guns, just check out the Karl Hauptman guns att holts. And they are almost ordinary rifles in germany, that will say when you got the money to by from a gunsmith.

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9.3x57- I think this rifle is the result of someone displaying their workmanship alone - nothing more. It was not built for a specific animal at that stage of the game, in 1925, I mean. It is a "Look what I built" type of gun. it is a masterpiece - workmanship thought dead after 1910 - but still alive. I love it.

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Sorry, will blame my bad english.

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"Yeas it kicks like a mule he said, but always remember that its much worse standing on the other end"

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The germans and austrian often build unusual an "strange" guns when they attend their masterletter as an gunsmith. But they are still building hammer singles,drillings,fierlings and funflings today but probably an 10 bore would only be built after order. They have a realy long tradition building the stranges guns, just check out the Karl Hauptman guns att holts. And they are almost ordinary rifles in germany, that will say when you got the money to by from a gunsmith.

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