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Shackleton
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Anyone heard of this?
      #92302 - 21/12/07 12:58 PM

Someone at work today told me that Africa sctually had to pass a law banning the shooting of elephants with PAINTBALL GUNS??? Something about it being an "extreme sport" to shoot an elephant with a paintball and try to not get trampled. According to him, a couple guys were killed by an elephant doing this, and they found out which elephant did it by the yellow splatters on its head. I don't know about it being an extreme sport, but it sure sounds like something drunk high school kids would do in the US(reminds me quite a bit of cow tipping-piss off a big animal and try not to get stepped on). Is this something that's actually going on, or is it just one of those rumors that get started and won't die?

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9.3x57
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Re: Anyone heard of this? [Re: Shackleton]
      #92307 - 21/12/07 01:32 PM

You have some of the facts confused, but this is absolutely true.

The actual issue doesn't have anything to do with "extreme sport", but rather paintball guns have become center stage in a novel idea worked out by Doktari, Harry Selby and Steve Hornady.

It seems that so many tourist hunters were having difficulty getting good hits on elephant that a scheme was devised to address this problem. African game guards in Zimbabwe and Zambia are now issued paint ball guns and these tools are used to apply a mark of paint precisely where a bullet needs to go in order to effect an immediate kill. Hunters now no longer need to learn the intricacies of animal anatomy, but simply need to put the bead on the dot and break the trigger.

The scheme has been so successful that there is now talk of expanding the practice to a number of valuable plains game species including sable, lechwe and greater kudu. Several safari operators in Namibia are investigating the possibility of "targeting" gemsbok.

I see this practice as having great potential for North America also, where top dollar could be obtained for trophy deer in Texas. Such deer could be harmlessly "shot" first by those who view hunting as personally distasteful but who demonstrate extreme skill at paintballing and enjoy the thrill of being in close proximity to wildlife. Then the trophy deer could be harvested by those who have a strong affinity for vension and pinot noir.

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Re: Anyone heard of this? [Re: 9.3x57]
      #92317 - 21/12/07 02:07 PM

I'm going to sign-up to be Marks paintball guy.Hitting an animal charging would be an extreme sport. At least you could do it once.

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Re: Anyone heard of this? [Re: Dave_Hall]
      #92326 - 21/12/07 03:18 PM

Seems unbelievable.

I think I will continue my past practice of "painting" a small red dot on the elephants or other game animals anatomy the old way.

Karamojo Bell is rolling in his grave ....

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ArnoldB
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Re: Anyone heard of this? [Re: NitroX]
      #92329 - 21/12/07 03:32 PM

The range of a paintball gun is what 35 yards?Less?More?

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Shackleton
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Re: Anyone heard of this? [Re: ArnoldB]
      #92332 - 21/12/07 04:15 PM

I didn't know about marking them for anatomical reasons-sure, it makes dangerous game a touch less dangerous by showing the kill zone, but at the same time it takes something out of the hunt-at least for me. I myself wouldn't want to hunt an elephant(now a Cape buff on the other hand...) but don't have a problem with someone else doing so. Maybe instead of painting bullseyes on the kill zone sonething should be done to enforce a marksmanship/anatomical knowledge requirement. Putting the dot directly on the animal to me turns the trip from "hunting" to simply killing. As far as my original post goes, I thought something was wrong there-even stupid people have at least some common sense-then again, common sense is what tells us that McDonald's coffee is hot, and that misuse of a firearm may cause "serious injury or death", but there are warning labels for both of these facts.
Sure, when your game can turn the tables on you(and your PH) with a badly placed shot, but don't a lot pf PH's complain that too many clients can't shoot anyway? If a hunter can't put a bullet in the right place a painted dot won't help as much as it would seem.
We all have that one dream hunt(I'm sure even people who have been to Africa still have something they wish they had a chance to hunt), so why diminish it by taking shortcuts? I've posted before that I want an elk-the only way it will happen is by saving some money. In the meantime I owe it to that elk to know how to kill it quickly, and have the ability to do so. That means for the meantime rifle practice and studying about the animal's habits, anatomy and anything else that helps. I'm sure we all know a hunter who cares more about killing an animal than the hunt itself. If everyone would either learn about what they're hunting or take their guide's advice on placement the paint splatter would be completely unnecessary.
After all, if elephant hunting were easy a lot more people would be doing it.

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9.3x57
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Re: Anyone heard of this? [Re: Shackleton]
      #92335 - 21/12/07 04:45 PM

Indeed, before this goes too far, my post was total BS.

I just made it up.

I am, however, kind of curious if there's anything to the "extreme sport" angle...

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Re: Anyone heard of this? [Re: 9.3x57]
      #92353 - 22/12/07 12:11 AM

Quote:

Indeed, before this goes too far, my post was total BS.

I just made it up.

I am, however, kind of curious if there's anything to the "extreme sport" angle...




Cruel---are you practicing "catch and release" this time of year..

I read your first post and thought you have got to be shittin me...however in todays world of hunting with a video camero and remote gun--nothing will surprise me..

Have a good one--heading out for Christmas

Ripp

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Dave_Hall
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Re: Anyone heard of this? [Re: Ripp]
      #92365 - 22/12/07 03:55 AM

It would be Extreme.I thought it was bull when you put Kevin "doctari" down as someone that would do this.He seem like a no BS type of P.H..Thats why he has books and DVDs out I think he would be pissed if you got that far into the hunt an didn't know what the hell you were doing.Thats what I think I never meet the man.

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Re: Anyone heard of this? [Re: 9.3x57]
      #92367 - 22/12/07 04:22 AM

A friend of mine had a Deer Farm in Washington where he had use for tranquilizer gun.

He also had a business on Kodiak, in Alaska. One day, after a couple of pops, he and another guy decided to go down to the South end of the Island and tranquilize a Deer while on a fishing trip. They then painted a red and white bulls eye on the Deer.

Unfortunately for them they told one too many people and the Fish and Game got wind of it. After an interview, where they denied ever hearing of such a vile plan, they were warned that if a Deer turned up with a bulls eye on it they were in big trouble.

Luckily, the Deer was not shot but he does have some good pictures of it wondering around on the beach with a red and white bulls eye that covers both entire sides.

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Re: Anyone heard of this? [Re: mickey]
      #92383 - 22/12/07 06:48 AM

I don't know about the elephants, but there were certainly hunts advertised in South Africa to shoot Rhino with paintballs, back in the day when numbers were more scarce than now. I seem to recall that it was advertised as an "ethical" way to complete the big five when there were virtually no permits available.

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Re: Anyone heard of this? [Re: JabaliHunter]
      #92405 - 22/12/07 01:07 PM

ha ha ... That was good!

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Re: Anyone heard of this? [Re: gator]
      #92781 - 28/12/07 06:33 AM

not eles but hitting a baboon with a paintball out of a slingshot really adds to the humor of the day. (perhaps not for the babo)

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