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Here in Slovenia we have a stable wolf population, however we are limited to a exceptional permission by Forrest ministry that is given here and there. Wolves are shot mainly at the bear feeders - moonlight nights, or occasionaly on their known passages or by chance if they are cought in driven hunt.

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9,3x57 - wolves do have a big impact especially on red deer here,

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Yes, the primary prey species for wolf are said to be elk, here. Similar animal, possibly similar habits.

Wolves do keep elk {and deer} moving and that has made me wonder if there is some support from the forestry industry {private and/or public} for their reintroduction/recovery. I cannot get a forester from any timber company to admit that their company has supported wolf recovery {obviously it would be suicide to do so...}, but they will of course admit to the fact of wolf behavior and the benefit to timber production.

RIPP: we will have a season here, too. It will be a joke, just like your season there. It will have zero effect on wolf population and that, naturally, is not the reason for the season. We are stuck with wolves unless alot of dogs get parvo and wander into the woods and spread the "good cheer" around. And even that is only a temporary "solution". The head of wolf recovery in Idaho has told me that yes, wolves may indeed {my interpretation: "will"} effect hunting opportunities in the state.

We already are here, in that elk are moving in totally unpredictable ways, and down in Weippe, and near Orofino I am told some drainages that have traditionally held elk are devoid of them during the season as elk move and are stressed due to wolf pressure.

The small price we will pay for the joy of knowing these wonderful, beautiful animals exist in "the wild"!

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9,3x57 - wolves do have a big impact especially on red deer here,

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RIPP: we will have a season here, too. It will be a joke, just like your season there. It will have zero effect on wolf population and that, naturally, is not the reason for the season. We are stuck with wolves unless alot of dogs get parvo and wander into the woods and spread the "good cheer" around. And even that is only a temporary "solution". The head of wolf recovery in Idaho has told me that yes, wolves may indeed {my interpretation: "will"} effect hunting opportunities in the state.

We already are here, in that elk are moving in totally unpredictable ways, and down in Weippe, and near Orofino I am told some drainages that have traditionally held elk are devoid of them during the season as elk move and are stressed due to wolf pressure.

The small price we will pay for the joy of knowing these wonderful, beautiful animals exist in "the wild"!

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Our northern herd has gone from 19,000 plus animals in 1996 to last springs count of 6000 plus---now it is being blamed on grizzlies, climate change, etc.. but amazingly enought the only real change is that wolves were reintroduced...in 1995..

Same thing when I drive to W Yellowstone every week. There is about a 28 mile stretch that goes through Yellowstone National Park--before the wolves I would literally see 6 to 800 head in that area wintering--now---the only thing you see is bulls as they can defend themselves with their antlers somewhat--all the cows and calves now winter on the other side of the divide--but a pack has followed them over there as well..

The wolves we were told were to help lower the number of bison in the park.. which as a bunch of crap--the wolves have had next to zero effect on them as they are too big to take down--the wolves are eating the young as soon as they are born however so sooner or later it might have some effect. there have been actual sightings of wolves eating the calves of bison and elk as they were being born...can you say aggressive??

Normaly recruitment on elk prior to wolves was 25 to 30%--after wolves it has been 2 to 6%..not enough to sustain the herd.



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I have seen couple of myself and my wife seen three once when she was riding. My grandfather's pet name was Sus' Yrkkä = Wolfie George because he shot one with his Mauser 9,3x57 rifle about 50 years ago. Then wolf was extremely rare animal in here because then man can hunt it freely.

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I have seen couple of myself and my wife seen three once when she was riding. My grandfather's pet name was Sus' Yrkkä = Wolfie George because he shot one with his Mauser 9,3x57 rifle about 50 years ago. Then wolf was extremely rare animal in here because then man can hunt it freely.

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Paati, very interesting. Still have that rifle? With a season possibly starting next year, I'd love to take one with mine!

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My uncle own that rifle nowdays. Have to take couple of pictures sometimes and put some here.

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Sorry to hear of the detrimental effects the wolves have had, 9threexFifty7, but I wonder if there is still time to think like a mountain, as Aldo Leopold put it? Could the wolves possibly improve the health of the deer herd and reduce erosion, as he believed? Could the number of people killed when cars hit deer be reduced when wolves are around?

I understand your concern about domestic stock. Farmers over here hate foxes and wild dogs very much - but I remember matching wits with the red varmints that ate our lambs as the high point of life on our farm. As a native animal, even if reintroduced, the wolf probably has more to be said for it than the imported pests that bother us.

Maybe there is a middle way where more wolves could be hunted, making a pastime when deer season is closed. The limited and somewhat humdrum native game of Australia makes me think a formidable predator might even add to the richness of experience. Our people have to invent them, hence the 'puma' seen in many country districts.

Leopold reckoned that the real kick and benefit of hunting and camping was atavistic - reliving the world of our forebears. Savage beasts were part of life for yours - and way back, mine.

Happy Christmas
- Paul

PS: I like your bit of scripture - I subscribe to that 'forum', too.

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Sorry to hear of the detrimental effects the wolves have had, 9threexFifty7, but I wonder if there is still time to think like a mountain, as Aldo Leopold put it? Could the wolves possibly improve the health of the deer herd and reduce erosion, as he believed? Could the number of people killed when cars hit deer be reduced when wolves are around?

I understand your concern about domestic stock. Farmers over here hate foxes and wild dogs very much - but I remember matching wits with the red varmints that ate our lambs as the high point of life on our farm. As a native animal, even if reintroduced, the wolf probably has more to be said for it than the imported pests that bother us.

Maybe there is a middle way where more wolves could be hunted, making a pastime when deer season is closed. The limited and somewhat humdrum native game of Australia makes me think a formidable predator might even add to the richness of experience. Our people have to invent them, hence the 'puma' seen in many country districts.

Leopold reckoned that the real kick and benefit of hunting and camping was atavistic - reliving the world of our forebears. Savage beasts were part of life for yours - and way back, mine.

Happy Christmas
- Paul

PS: I like your bit of scripture - I subscribe to that 'forum', too.

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