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beleg2
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My ammo boxes.
      #89096 - 16/11/07 12:22 PM

I see some members like ammo boxes Like I do.
I have only a few.
This is a box of 12 bore cases.



And an unopen box of 6.5mm mannlicher (??) by Eley.



Also a uncoplete box of Eley 24 gauge by Eley.



Hope you like them.
I Would like to know when they were made.

Thnaks
Martín

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Re: My ammo boxes. [Re: beleg2]
      #89098 - 16/11/07 12:50 PM




Kynoch was based in Birmingham
and could possibly have made them.

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Re: My ammo boxes. [Re: beleg2]
      #89142 - 17/11/07 06:07 AM

Quote:

I see some members like ammo boxes Like I do.
I have only a few.
This is a box of 12 bore cases.



And an unopen box of 6.5mm mannlicher (??) by Eley.



Also a uncoplete box of Eley 24 gauge by Eley.



Hope you like them.
I Would like to know when they were made.



Martin:

They're all quite old. As to the box of 12 bore cases, the Gray's Inn Road facility closed in 1916. What's the address on the box of 24 Gauge?

As to the 6.5 ammo, at a bare minimum, it's 83 years old, and no, it wasn't made by Kynoch. Since you're interested....

Eley Brothers was a London ammunition manufacturer. Their primary competitor was Kynoch, a Birmingham ammunition manufacturer. By 1914, Kynoch was twice the size of Eley.

Both companies devoted their manufacturing capacity to the production of military munitions during WWI. However, Britain endured chronic ammunition procurement problems throughout the war. Because of this, His Majesty's government, realizing that the ability to domestically manufacture adequate supplies of ammunition during wartime was a matter of national security, insisted that the "explosives trades" in the UK be merged into a single entity under common management. Despite the end of hostilities on 11 November, 1918, the amalgamation went forward on November 29. An unintended consequence of the "roll up" of the roughly 40 UK explosives companies into Explosives Trades Limited was that one company, Alfred Nobel's British dynamite company, Nobel's Explosives Limited, was larger than all the other companies combined, leaving Nobel's in a control position, which Nobel's quickly capitalized on. Explosives Trades Limited was reorganized as Nobel Industries Limited in 1920, and by 1924, Nobel had divided it's product line between it's divisions. Eley would continue to make sporting cartridges (the British name for shotgun shells), rimfire, and pistol and revolver ammunition only. All production of metallic centerfire rifle ammunition was transferred to Kynoch, and marketed only under that name. Thus, all Eley centerfire rifle ammunition will predate 1924.

Yes, Eley used a date code system on it's boxes like Kynoch did, but I've never heard of a key to it. Perhaps someone here has it.

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Re: My ammo boxes. [Re: 400NitroExpress]
      #89146 - 17/11/07 07:14 AM

Thanks for the info!
Eley box have no adress only:
ELEY BORTHERS, Limited
LONDON

I have also a box of .30 Super flanged from H & H. I will post a picture later.

Thanks
Martin

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Re: My ammo boxes. [Re: beleg2]
      #89148 - 17/11/07 07:20 AM

Kynoch ammo is easy to date.

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Re: My ammo boxes. [Re: 400NitroExpress]
      #89175 - 17/11/07 10:31 PM

400NitroExpress
If you can get a copy of Bill Flemings Book
British Sporting rifle cartridges it has a chapter devoted to British box codes by calibre . but sadly not a lot of metric calibres or shot shells.

good shooting
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Re: My ammo boxes. [Re: sbs470]
      #89176 - 17/11/07 11:12 PM


This is my .30 Super box:





Where can I find info about Kynoch date code?

Thanks
Martin

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Re: My ammo boxes. [Re: beleg2]
      #89185 - 18/11/07 02:02 AM

Martin,

Very, very nice!

Thanks for posting them.

Good hunting!

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Re: My ammo boxes. [Re: mehulkamdar]
      #89206 - 18/11/07 07:43 AM


Mehul,
you are wellcome!

Those are the date codes of Hollands box and a .450 Nº2 NE.



Any date?

Thanks
Martin

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Re: My ammo boxes. [Re: beleg2]
      #89214 - 18/11/07 09:48 AM

Martin:

Both boxes are Imperial Metal Industries Ltd., which means they were loaded after Imperial Chemical Industries' Metals Division was partitioned off and separately incorporated in 1962. IMI remained a subsidiary of ICI until 1978.

22 N O = 22 July, 1966

4 K L = 4 April, 1963

The /S is not part of the date code. It was used to indicate that the cartridges in the box were steel jacketed. This usually means that the contents were solids, but not always, as steel-jacketed soft points were offered in some calibers.

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Re: My ammo boxes. [Re: sbs470]
      #89215 - 18/11/07 09:55 AM

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400NitroExpress
If you can get a copy of Bill Flemings Book



I've had a copy since it was first published.

Quote:

British Sporting rifle cartridges it has a chapter devoted to British box codes by calibre . but sadly not a lot of metric calibres or shot shells.



The date code key is for Kynoch ammunition. Kynoch didn't make shotshells after 1924, and the code key is for the system that started in 1926. No need for the metrics to be included in the box code section, as the box codes mean the same for them as they do for the standard British calibers. What the book does not contain is the key to Eley's box codes prior to 1926, nor have I ever seen one elsewhere.

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Re: My ammo boxes. [Re: 400NitroExpress]
      #89236 - 19/11/07 12:23 AM

400nitroespress,
thank you very much for the information.

Thanks
Martin

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