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dino_hunter
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577 Ne 2 3/4" information
#87787 - 26/10/07 01:32 AM

Hello all

Are there anyone who have hunting information about the .577 2 2/4" N.E?

Can it be used with modern loads and good solids in africa today?

Regards

dino_hunter

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empirevr
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Re: 577 Ne 2 3/4" information [Re: dino_hunter]
#87796 - 26/10/07 03:30 AM

Hi

Whats with the nick?

Marrakai will tell you all about 577x 2.75"

All the best

Ben

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peter
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Re: 577 Ne 2 3/4" information [Re: empirevr]
#87801 - 26/10/07 05:29 AM

hi dino

we got a very good guy here, who hunts with a 577 2 3/4 ne

look at his writings here http://www.hotkey.net.au/~orrs/Marrakai

or wait for a few days then im sure he will be on this....

the story you need to look for will be the fat lady, enjoy he is a good writer.

peter

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Marrakai
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Re: 577 Ne 2 3/4" information [Re: peter]
#87812 - 26/10/07 07:54 AM

OK, OK...!

Here's my opinion on the cartridge.

...again!

In truth, I'm happy to post this as often as NE.com members will tolerate!

My love-affair with the cartridge continues to increase every time I take that Greener double afield.

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dino_hunter
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Re: 577 Ne 2 3/4" information [Re: peter]
#87889 - 27/10/07 04:14 PM

Hi Peter

Thank you for the information

dino

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dino_hunter
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Re: 577 Ne 2 3/4" information [Re: Marrakai]
#87890 - 27/10/07 04:16 PM

Hi Marrakai

Thank you for all the help and great information.

Have send you a pm

Have a good day

dino

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dino_hunter
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Re: 577 Ne 2 3/4" information [Re: Marrakai]
#87891 - 27/10/07 04:39 PM

Thank you all for the information regarding the short .577 NE.

Good to se that I am not the only one, who think it is a great caliber. I think kit will be a good caliber to take to Africa today to. It has more power than the .404 Jeffery, .416 Rigby, .470 Ne and many many more, who are used everyday in Africa, after all games, and yes, I think it will be a good caliber to use even after elephants.

Dino_hunter

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peter
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Re: 577 Ne 2 3/4" information [Re: dino_hunter]
#87897 - 27/10/07 09:31 PM

your wellcome dino

and wellcome to the site by the way, come on in and have fun. do you have a 577 allready or are you just looking around before you put down the cash. if you have one allready we all crave pictures here on the site.

peter

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Re: 577 Ne 2 3/4" information [Re: Marrakai]
#87898 - 27/10/07 09:53 PM

Quote:

OK, OK...!

Here's my opinion on the cartridge.

...again!

In truth, I'm happy to post this as often as NE.com members will tolerate!
My love-affair with the cartridge continues to increase every time I take that Greener double afield.

I can read your opinion everyday if I have to...

!!
Love those articals man...

I wonder if a Lite .577 Nitro could be made on a 12 gauge Sauer & Sohn shotgun action with greener crossbolt??

Edited by rigbymauser (27/10/07 09:54 PM)

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dino_hunter
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Re: 577 Ne 2 3/4" information [Re: peter]
#87906 - 28/10/07 09:10 AM

Hi Peter

Yes, when I get it, I will post information and pic here. But, yes, I am seeking to have one made for me. The moose in Norway are VERY BIG! Hehhehe.

I am going to have dp made for me, and I am thinking of the short .577 NE. Think it got all th epower I need, and for all the hunting I will do, in Africa, Australia and Norway..

dino

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Re: 577 Ne 2 3/4" information [Re: dino_hunter]
#87909 - 28/10/07 10:59 AM

I know that Marrakai's gun is about 1-14 or 15 twist.

I see Pac Nor has a 1-18 twist barrel. Anybody else supply barrels?

What would be a good twist for this cartridge?

I think this cartridge would make a good round to put on a Martini for shooting whitetails out of weed patches in Montana Stubblefields.

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mickey
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Re: 577 Ne 2 3/4" information [Re: DoubleD]
#87912 - 28/10/07 12:59 PM

d h

I would recommend the 750 grain bullet instead of the 650. It is more suitable for Africa and will still kill a Moose.

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Re: 577 Ne 2 3/4" information [Re: mickey]
#87916 - 28/10/07 02:26 PM

I think the 750 traveling at 1850 giving ~5750 ft/pnds energy + good penetration would be devastating.

Actually if a flat nose 700 grainer were developed it would be great to get the velocity up a smidge and still penetrate. The SD may be tolerable as well.

I would love to see a current manufacturor build such a Double.The Demand would be considerable!!!

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dino_hunter
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Re: 577 Ne 2 3/4" information [Re: hoppdoc]
#87924 - 28/10/07 10:21 PM

Hi all

Thanks for all the information. Well, a 750 gr. bullet at 1800 or so fps is A great bullet. I think it will be good on all game in africa and australia to. And, that makes it good for the moose to.

dino

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BigFiveJack
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Re: 577 Ne 2 3/4" information [Re: hoppdoc]
#89261 - 19/11/07 06:28 AM

I'll bet Gerard at www.gscustom.co.za would

do a flat nose at 700 grainer in .585 diameter.

He does it at 650 grn and 750 grn right NOW!.

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hoppdoc
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Re: 577 Ne 2 3/4" information [Re: BigFiveJack]
#89270 - 19/11/07 08:59 AM

Wow!!

Imagine a 577 lite in a 10.5 pnd Double with 700 gr GS Custom solids @1900 fps(5600 ftpnds energy) and 650 gr Woodleigh softs-- That should handle most anything below Ele with great penetration and stop Ele in a pinch(700 gr-SD-.300)although no doubt more velocity would be better for Ele penetration(ie recall previous 500 gr 458 WM Ele failures @ <2000fps).The FN feature may help penetration as well.

I would probably choose a different Double if exclusively Ele hunting-probably a 500 NE with FN banded bullets for the additionsl penetration over a 577 lite.For Buff and the rest the 577lite should be fine!!

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bwana600nitro
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Re: 577 Ne 2 3/4" information [Re: hoppdoc]
#89275 - 19/11/07 11:22 AM

I had a full tilt 577 3" and I can tell you it is a awesome cart, but at almost 14lbs was a pain in the ass (more like arms).

I think the 577 2 3/4 would be an awesome round built at 10 to 10.5 lbs with GS custom 640 grain at 1850 to 1900 fps. Would still wack you a bit, but I'd bet it would be death on anything shot with it. I would like a modern double in this caliber priced in the 450-470 class price. If Butch would build a double with a rigby style forend lever for about 12-15K he would get an order form me. I dont think he intrested though!

Ed

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BigFiveJack
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Re: 577 Ne 2 3/4" information [Re: bwana600nitro]
#89280 - 19/11/07 12:56 PM

Quote:

Ed: "...rigby style forend lever..."

Where is there a picture of such a lever please?

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bwana600nitro
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Re: 577 Ne 2 3/4" information [Re: BigFiveJack]
#89285 - 19/11/07 02:36 PM

Look at the Fuchs 577 double sidelock under the double rifle pics section of this forum. Thats the type of forend lever.

Ed

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Re: 577 Ne 2 3/4" information [Re: bwana600nitro]
#89304 - 20/11/07 01:43 AM

Ed,

I am pretty sure that "screw type"

lever is a Philip Webley patent.

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bwana600nitro
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Re: 577 Ne 2 3/4" information [Re: BigFiveJack]
#89314 - 20/11/07 05:32 AM

BFJ,

I dont know why you would call a forend lever a "screw type"? I think you are getting the action mixed up the other parts of the rifle, look up on Hallowell & Company for the different terms, its a great reference.

As far as I know there are 3 major types of forend releases, the Anson push button, Delely (sp) lever and the Lever release ( or as I've always heard it called the "Rigby style forend lever")

Maybe someone here with more experence than me can clarify.

Ed

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Edited by bwana600nitro (20/11/07 05:34 AM)

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Marrakai
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Re: 577 Ne 2 3/4" information [Re: bwana600nitro]
#89376 - 20/11/07 11:01 PM

The so-called Rigby-style fore-end latch was patented by Charles Harvey of Wilkinson's (later Wilkinson Sword) in 1866. It was much favoured and widely used by John Rigby (and Thomas Horsley, BTW) but not invented by him.

During the ‘Golden Years’ of double-gun development, there were some 29 patents for different fore-end fasteners registered in Britain alone! The three listed by Ed above are by far the most commonly encountered patterns.

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Re: 577 Ne 2 3/4" information [Re: Marrakai]
#89378 - 20/11/07 11:35 PM

You ask for photos?

Here are photos of three. On the left, a Charles Lancaster .280NE (a Webley PHV-1); middle, a George Gibbs .450NE (a Webley A&W-C); and right, a 12 bore Horsley double rifle.

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bwana600nitro
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Re: 577 Ne 2 3/4" information [Re: CptCurl]
#89390 - 21/11/07 02:31 AM

Thanks guys,

Looks good I love this option on my Douglass, I wish more makers would use this as the forend attachment. It is a very positive strong attachment.

Ed

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Re: 577 Ne 2 3/4" information [Re: bwana600nitro]
#89550 - 23/11/07 06:53 AM

Quote:

the 577 2 3/4 would be an awesome round built at 10 to 10.5 lbs with GS custom 640 grain at 1850 to 1900 fps. Would still wack you a bit, but I'd bet it would be death on anything shot with it.

Is the recoil on a par with the .450/.470 class rifles? As a Buffalo cartridge, how important is the 1850 to 1900 fps as opposed to lower BP type velocities (1650-1800fps)?

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Re: 577 Ne 2 3/4" information [Re: JabaliHunter]
#89581 - 23/11/07 06:06 PM

Marrakai could answer best--

A full house 577 lite could possibly run 750 gr at 1850 ft/sec or better for around 5500 ft pnds energy.A 650 gr bullet could go ?1950 ft/sec.This will kill any Buff out there if shot placement is satisfactory.

I would think recoil with full loads should be on par with a 500 NE- stout but manageable.

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Re: 577 Ne 2 3/4" information [Re: hoppdoc]
#160969 - 25/05/10 01:06 AM

.577 3" Nitro for Black
http://www.new-kynoch.apt-sites.com/577%203in%20NfB.htm

.577 2¾" Soft Nosed
http://www.new-kynoch.apt-sites.com/577%202.75in%20Soft%20Nosed.htm

.577 Nitro Express
http://www.new-kynoch.apt-sites.com/577%20NE.htm

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Re: 577 Ne 2 3/4" information [Re: Marrakai]
#161107 - 28/05/10 07:11 AM

Quote:

OK, OK...!

Here's my opinion on the cartridge.

...again!

In truth, I'm happy to post this as often as NE.com members will tolerate!
My love-affair with the cartridge continues to increase every time I take that Greener double afield.

Marrakai your back!

So I'm throwing in my two cents here on the 577 2 3/4" having finished one and started a second. The light loadings produce around 5200 to 5500 FPE, and is enough for anything that walks on this planet. Recoil in a 10.5 to 12 pound gun would be stout but manageable. The great thing about the caliber/load is the BIG hole it makes. I thought about making a super light < 9 lbs 577 2.75" with the above loads for ease of carrying, but recoil would/could be a real head ringer. At, 13.5 lbs, my 10ga Jana Action 577 2.75" is a pussy cat to shoot with a juiced up load of 750 grn bullet at 1950FPS. This is 95% of 3" load, but has less felt recoil and still produces around 6500FPE.

For North American Game, I believe a nice 577 BPE in any size would be a hoot. Big lead bullet, making a big hole and easy to shoot.

For grins, I'm collecting old bowling balls and pins for a youtube video of 577NE destruction!

BS-

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Re: 577 Ne 2 3/4" information [Re: BlainSmipy]
#161109 - 28/05/10 07:15 AM

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Marrakai your back!

We're not that lucky! This post was dredged up from the musty files from 07.

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Re: 577 Ne 2 3/4" information [Re: JabaliHunter]
#161115 - 28/05/10 10:25 AM

I have been meaning to ask previously, as the .577 light has intrigued me since I first read about it. Although I must finish my .404 first, before I get too carried away with this.
So, Greener Empire's can be found in Australia with a little looking, but who could make up a set of barrels here now. I think a round like this would bring a grin from ear to ear after every shot.

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BlainSmipy
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Re: 577 Ne 2 3/4" information [Re: AkMike]
#161195 - 30/05/10 04:57 PM

Quote:

Quote:

Marrakai your back!

We're not that lucky! This post was dredged up from the musty files from 07.

Now thats funny!!

Guess I'll have to take over the flagship of the 577 2 3/4" except I like the not so light nitro.

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mickey
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Re: 577 Ne 2 3/4" information [Re: BlainSmipy]
#161244 - 01/06/10 05:07 AM

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Guess I'll have to take over the flagship of the 577 2 3/4" except I like the not so light nitro.

Okay, but if you want to shoot one here is a Hollis 2 3/4" 750 grain rifle you can pop some off with.

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Edited by CptCurl (01/06/10 05:56 AM)

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Re: 577 Ne 2 3/4" information [Re: mickey]
#161295 - 02/06/10 02:06 AM

Sorry for dredging up the past but I recently found BlainSmipy’s 577 2 ¾” not so light nitro on GunsAmerica and being the untrusting type posted here to see if anyone knew anything about the rifle or its maker. When I found out he was a member here it went from a curiosity to a genuine interest. I’ve been fascinated by the 577 2 ¾” ever since I stumbled onto Marrakai’s article Dancing with the Fat Lady a year or two ago.

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Re: 577 Ne 2 3/4" information [Re: NotSure177]
#161298 - 02/06/10 06:26 AM

Mick: That Hollis is very nice. Any idea or guess as to
when it was made?

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Re: 577 Ne 2 3/4" information [Re: 577ne]
#161303 - 02/06/10 01:31 PM

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Mick: That Hollis is very nice. Any idea or guess as to
when it was made?

No idea. It would seem to be before 1910 though. A guess.

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