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amanda
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watson brothers 16g side by side
      #84819 - 29/08/07 01:17 AM

Hi,
Im new here, and there is a good possiblity that im in the wrong type of forum completly but......i will give it a shot
we have a watson brothers 16g side by side, with a number "1" in serval locations in gold, great etchings, good shape. We are having great difficulty finding out how to find the information with the serial numbers on the gun, any further info. Any help would be greatly appreciated. I do know that Michael Louca purchased the name (formerly Purdey).
Thanks Amanda

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Re: watson brothers 16g side by side [Re: amanda]
      #84822 - 29/08/07 01:49 AM

Hi

Can you post pics please?

Many thanks

Ben

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Re: watson brothers 16g side by side [Re: empirevr]
      #84824 - 29/08/07 02:08 AM

Yes I will post some pic's asap. Thanks for the reply

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Re: watson brothers 16g side by side [Re: amanda]
      #84826 - 29/08/07 02:19 AM

Watson Brothers serial number tables have been published. What is the serial number?

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Re: watson brothers 16g side by side [Re: 400NitroExpress]
      #84827 - 29/08/07 02:25 AM

7773 is all over the gun.

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Re: watson brothers 16g side by side [Re: amanda]
      #84828 - 29/08/07 02:46 AM

Quote:

7773 is all over the gun.



Their published table says 1914.

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Re: watson brothers 16g side by side [Re: 400NitroExpress]
      #84831 - 29/08/07 03:22 AM

how and where can we locate that information on our own? Was curious if it gives any other information

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Re: watson brothers 16g side by side [Re: amanda]
      #84833 - 29/08/07 04:03 AM

Quote:

how and where can we locate that information on our own? Was curious if it gives any other information



The table I have is in Nigel Brown's "London Gunmakers", which I believe is now called "British Gunmakers, Volume One". For the year 1914, the numbers are 7699 to 7814. That should mean that those are the first and last numbers assigned in that year. Since your gun falls between them, theoretically, it should be from 1914. However, due to the way that things worked in the trade, that isn't always true. You can only be certain by accessing the maker's records. Most do charge 25 to 35 pounds to do so. The Watson records do survive. The "1" would mean that it's the No. 1 gun of a pair.

The last information I have for Michael Louca / Watson Brothers is 39 Redcross Way, London Bridge, SE1, 1HG. Tel./Fax 0171 403 3367. Last I heard, Michael Louca was still Managing Director. If you've already tried to contact them unsuccessfully, perhaps someone here will have more current contact information.

Hope this helps.

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Edited by 400NitroExpress (29/08/07 04:10 AM)

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Re: watson brothers 16g side by side [Re: 400NitroExpress]
      #84834 - 29/08/07 04:08 AM

Another web site says (020) 7403 3367 and gives email as WatonBros@aol.com.

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Re: watson brothers 16g side by side [Re: 400NitroExpress]
      #84835 - 29/08/07 04:17 AM

Thanks sooooo much for your help. I did see the one email, it's not good. I will give them a call at a better hour of the day.
Thanks Again
Amanda

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Re: watson brothers 16g side by side [Re: amanda]
      #84844 - 29/08/07 07:17 AM

Amanda-good luck with the gun!

(is it a shotgun, or a rifle? wasnt aware of a bore rifle post 1890 or so?!)

400nitro-thanks for your posts on my other topic, and excuse the interruption please Amanda!

I have replied on the post again, wondered what you thought.

Ben

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Re: watson brothers 16g side by side [Re: empirevr]
      #84857 - 29/08/07 10:33 AM

hi,
sorry for the delay in anwsering you, and no problem i welcome all responses. Its a shot gun, and i have to have my husband read whats on the gun, because my eyesite isnt the best, but what i can see it reads, 1 oz nitro proof 16 g paten ejection wpecial gewehr-lauf stahl fried.krupp.a.g.essn . Several place has the gold "1", and dark wood.

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Re: watson brothers 16g side by side [Re: empirevr]
      #84858 - 29/08/07 10:35 AM

oh and nitro thought possibly around 1913?

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Re: watson brothers 16g side by side [Re: amanda]
      #84911 - 30/08/07 07:03 AM

Amanda-

Not much shotgun action on this forum, however, shame it isnt a double rifle!!!

Are you looking for a value on the gun??

I would tell you to drop into William Evans or such, as they seem very helpful, but alas i see your a long way from the UK.

In the US there is a Holland & Holland in NY city......

Best of luck

Ben

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Re: watson brothers 16g side by side [Re: empirevr]
      #84919 - 30/08/07 09:12 AM

I am sure that you know that your gun was proofed under the British proof system. This link may help you if you don't: http://www.basc.org.uk/media/100_proof.pdf

Essentially your gun has pre-1925 Proof Marks. These DO NOT give the chamber length as, at that time, a shooter would be assumed to know from the shot weight - 1 ounce - what they were.

Please be aware that your 16 is chambered for 2 1/2" 16 bore shells and NOT 2 3/4" 16 bore shells which would have been marked as 1 1/8 ounce, I believe, from memory. Therefore even though the service load is one ounce you should not use 2 3/4" or 70mm "shells" regardless of their shot load weight!

The old Eley Alphamax 16 bore in a 2 3/4" case fired the 1 1/18 ounce load, the still current Eley Grand Prix 2 1/2" case fired the ounce load that is the service load your Watson was proof marked for.

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Re: watson brothers 16g side by side [Re: empirevr]
      #84924 - 30/08/07 10:52 AM

Thank you so very much for the information. This forum is fantastic, have gotten lots of response, everyone has been very helpful.....thanks again, Amanda

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Re: watson brothers 16g side by side [Re: enfieldspares]
      #84925 - 30/08/07 10:55 AM

Thanks so much, very helpful , I appreciate the input

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Re: watson brothers 16g side by side [Re: empirevr]
      #84962 - 30/08/07 11:04 PM

Yes we are looking for a value on the gun, my husband would like to sell. Thanks Amanda

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Re: watson brothers 16g side by side [Re: amanda]
      #84973 - 31/08/07 02:36 AM

Amanda:

Post it on doublegunshop.com and you might get a value. Most want to know what you want for it.

Kind Regards,

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Re: watson brothers 16g side by side [Re: ellenbr]
      #84987 - 31/08/07 07:40 AM

thanks for the information....Amanda

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Re: watson brothers 16g side by side [Re: amanda]
      #85025 - 01/09/07 07:51 PM

amanda
you could post it on the sixteen gauge society web page which is a USA based forum with members from all over the world ,dedicated to the 16 gauge . www.16ga.com.
A quality gun such as the one you have will definitely create some interest amongst the members

good shooting
sbs470

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Re: watson brothers 16g side by side [Re: sbs470]
      #85028 - 02/09/07 02:17 AM

Thanks for the information, I will post there today...appreciate it.
Amanda

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