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I assume that regulation of the O/U rifles is much easier to accomplish than with the SxS variety. Does that also mean that O/U rifles are less affected by load changes?

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The sliver and Golden Sable UXO rifles are great for under $9000 and Beretta make a beautiful high grade SXS Double rifle which I think is worth over 40000.

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I remember when that one was sold. I wish I had made a run on it. Nice going. When was it built?

Armbar.

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I remember when that one was sold. I wish I had made a run on it. Nice going. When was it built?

Armbar.

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Which gun are you referring to?

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I was referring to the Beretta 455.

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I remember when that one was sold. I wish I had made a run on it. Nice going. When was it built?

Armbar.

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Which gun are you referring to?

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I was referring to the Beretta 455.

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OK---I wasn't sure since there were a couple of guns being disussed in this thread. Anyway, my gun was made in 1999 and according to Beretta was shipped to the NYC Beretta store in 2001. It was initially sold sometime after that and I got it about 3 years ago.
About a month before I bought this particular gun it was featured in both The Double Gun Journal and Sporting Classics. Of course I had to save those issues!
I've taken it to Africa once and will have it back there again next year if the Tanzanian gov't straightens up their act.

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Again, nice going. Beautiful rifle.

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Thanks, Armbar. You don't see many of these guns around and I suspect it has to do with the quality of the work Beretta had put into them which pushed their retail prices up near the high end English guns. At that price point I think the appeal and nostalgia of the English guns gave them an advantage in resale valuations, even though most think the Beretta guns were very comparable to their British cousins in design and quality.
Another interesting aspect of Beretta's foray into the market for high quality doubles is that the base design of the guns was that of Famars , also known as Abbiatico and Salvinelli (A&S). You'll see that the Famars' Venus double rifle pictured below is highly similar to mine, except for the obvious differences in finish. It was in the finishing process that I believe the gun move from the hands of A&S and over to Beretta.
Anyway, I really like mine and was pleased to find one at a much better price than was commonly charged for a new one in NYC or Dallas.

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I had a Beretta 689 o/u 9.3x74R with a set of 20ga barrels. I thought I'd found gun nirvana, until the rib came loose from the rifle barrels. The "customer service" I received from Beretta was, to be kind;pathetic. They contracted out the repair to Simmons(who's "customer service" was almost as bad as Beretta's). The Simmons repaired rib promptly peeled on about the sixth shot. After repeatedly being given the run around both over the phone, and in person at the Beretta booth at the SHOT show, I paid JJ at Champlin to fix it, and he did a superb job. I then sold it off, and would not take another Beretta product for free! I also wouldn't have Simmons repair a BB gun, let alone a fine arm. You wanted both good and bad, so there's some bad!

Jeff

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Jeff do you know, or did they say what caused the rib to seperate? What ammo were you shooting in the rifle,with what bullet? Just curious, I like to collect any data on any thing that happens to cause a double rifle to fail, in any way!

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Thanks for the quick response.
I assume that regulation of the O/U rifles is much easier to accomplish than with the SxS variety. Does that also mean that O/U rifles are less affected by load changes?

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Trey The regulation difficulty is not a worry to you, as the owner, because that is done at the factory!

The using of the word REGULATING , interchangeably with working up loads for a double rifle, is where the great bulk of misunderstanding of how double rifles work comes from!

The regulating of a double rifle is a physical process of building the barrels sets with the proper convergence so that the rifle shoots properly. The fact that the barrels physically converge is taken by many to mean that the bullet paths converge also, and they do not! The properly loaded side by side, or Over Under double rifle the centers of each barrel’s individual group remain parallel down range, and the center of each barrel’s group do not cross if the load is right. The misconception that they do cross at a given point is incorrect. This misconception comes from the knowledge that the barrels physically converge, and the writers who write for the gun rags who mistakenly believer this because the adds for the rifles state that the rifle is regulated AT 100 MTRS, or 50 MTRS, an they take that to mean the bullets cross at that distance. This is also, incorrect! What the distance stated means that is the distance the STANDING iron sight is cut (REGULATED) for, for elevation, and windage for the center of a composite group of both barrels. The rifle may have several flip-up sights for longer ranges, yet the centerline of these sights are all in line with each other. If the bullets crossed at 100mtrs, how would these sights line up to 200, and 300 mtrs. Many writers assume these flip-ups are strictly for decoration, and are useless. If the load is proper, these sights will be dead on at the ranges engraved on them.

The difference between the O/U, and the S/S double rifles where regulation is concerned, is simply that the recoil arc is different, but the loads still must place the hits on the target parallel. The top barrel above the bottom barrel, and in line for windage, for the O/U. With the S/S, the barrels must print the barrels side by side at the same elevation. The barrels are still sensitive to bullet weight, shape, and speed, no matter the configuration! If the load is too slow, it will shoot apart, and high, if it is too fast they will cross, and shoot low this is true of both types!

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Nosler Partition bullets

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Jeff

I don't know the "Oryx" bullet and whether it is also a partition type bullet? But I believe H partition style bullets can cause some problems.

Perhaps someone else more knowledgable can contribute.

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My opinion, and this was confirmed by JJ Perdou at Champlin, when he repaired it, was that it was caused by a contaminated/poorly done solder joint. JJ supected that the "repair" consisted of simply reheating the old/bad joint. When he did the repair, he removed the entire rib, cleaned it down to bare metal, and started from scratch. His work was first rate.

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No, the Oryx is a conventional bonded core soft. It isn't an H section or solid shank bullet, so no problem there.

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... and Nosler Partition bullets ...

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But the Nosler Partitions also used as mentioned above are a H section bullet. Maybe you or another could comment on whether this is an issue (ie using H section/solid shank bullets) in double rifles? Thanks.

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