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LukeinNZ
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Scrub Bulls - Solids of softs in 375HH??
#80423 - 12/06/07 01:11 PM

Hi Guys,
I have a hunting trip coming up soon for some Wild bulls here in New Zealand. They would be the equivalent thing as the Aussie scrub bulls - still nasty enough to do some body damage should you get cornered. I'm planning on taking my Ruger RSM 375HH...question is would you use a solid for the first shot followed by a magazine of softs or just stick to a quality soft for first shot and any there after?
I'm currently been using federals nice and cheap 300gr power shok ammo because it's the same price as a box of 30-06 ammo. I think they would probably be up to the task other wise I can get my hand on some of Winchesters 270gr or 300gr supreme a-frame type ammo or PMP solid & soft nose stuff.
Looking for you advise on the matter.

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Marrakai
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Re: Scrub Bulls - Solids of softs in 375HH?? [Re: LukeinNZ]
#80432 - 12/06/07 07:38 PM

My advice would be to use premium soft-point bullets for all shots. To get the best, this means reloading, and the 300gr Woodleigh bonded-core bullet (bluff-nose or protected-point)would be my choice. If you are restricted to factory ammo, pick the 300gr Supreme ammo from your list above.

If it came down to a choice between solids and standard softs, I might be tempted to choose all solids, but the standard softs will do the job too as long as you place your shots carefully.

Plenty of posters here will tell you that a .308 is all you need to shoot scrub bulls, but I would suggest its all you need to wound them. Most wounds with a .308 will probably be fatal though, .....eventually. Not a smart choice for hunting on foot.

If you were to go for head-shots rather than shoulder-shots, ie in a cull situation rather than trophy hunting, and can shoot well, the smaller-bores can be spectacular.

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Ripp
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Re: Scrub Bulls - Solids of softs in 375HH?? [Re: LukeinNZ]
#80435 - 12/06/07 09:28 PM

Personally-- I would use a very good quality soft followed by solids--my reasoning is after the first shot, if he does not go down, and he is running away or heading straight for you, you can drive a solid and probably be more effective based on those situations.. This is the consensus when hunting bigger buffalo so it should certainly work on these guys..
Ripp

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Re: Scrub Bulls - Solids of softs in 375HH?? [Re: Ripp]
#80444 - 12/06/07 10:27 PM

What do these things weigh on-the-hoof?

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Re: Scrub Bulls - Solids of softs in 375HH?? [Re: 9.3x57]
#80447 - 12/06/07 10:40 PM

The Biggest could go a ton.

Same as Big Buff over here.

You get all sorts.

It's when the shit hits the fan that
you wish you hadn't saved a few cents on gear !

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Re: Scrub Bulls - Solids of softs in 375HH?? [Re: LukeinNZ]
#80455 - 13/06/07 12:39 AM

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I'm currently been using federals nice and cheap 300gr power shok ammo because it's the same price as a box of 30-06 ammo. I think they would probably be up to the task other wise I can get my hand on some of Winchesters 270gr or 300gr supreme a-frame type ammo or PMP solid & soft nose stuff.
Looking for you advise on the matter.

Luke

I would be happy to use a .375 H&H on scrub bull and if using factory ammo would choose the A-frame type ammo.

My two scrub bulls were both shot with Woodleigh softpoints, a .450 using 480 gr RN Weldcores and a 9.3mm using 286 gr Protected Points.

If you want to mix the ammo, personally I would use a good softpoint first and then follow-up with FMJs in the magazine.

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Re: Scrub Bulls - Solids of softs in 375HH?? [Re: NitroX]
#80498 - 13/06/07 10:34 AM

I've shot zebra, wildebeest, whitetail deer and elk with the 300 grain Hornady RN, all quite satisfactorily. I have my reservations about this bullet on heavier game than big US elk/wapiti, but if you want to see how it compares with other calibers/bullets in my ballistic media, seem my post here:

http://forums.nitroexpress.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=76346&an=0&page=0#Post76346

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Re: Scrub Bulls - Solids of softs in 375HH?? [Re: 9.3x57]
#80524 - 13/06/07 04:06 PM

Hello Luke,where do you live in N.Z?? I used Woodleigh 300gr weldcore soft points and Hornday soilds last year on my Buffalo hunt in OZ both bullets worked very well.

I got the Wooodleighs from Mark Bridgeman at custom cartridges at Taupo 07 3784593,Mark will sell bullets if you reload or can load ammo for you.

I used 7mm REMMAG on my scrub bull,but will use 375 next time.

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Re: Scrub Bulls - Solids of softs in 375HH?? [Re: TOP_PREDATOR]
#80534 - 13/06/07 09:56 PM

I shot over a dozen scrub bulls with a 6.5X55 and 140gn PMC factory ammo back when I was younger, they worked a treat as I took my time and placed my shots very very carefully.
However a more recent experience during a trip a few years ago after something went very wrong and with no vehicle close or anyone backing me up this time, has me thinking a little differently.
If I go after them again it will be with my 375H&H and a 270gn Woodleigh PP 300gn RN or even a Barnes 235gn TS depending on the range.

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Re: Scrub Bulls - Solids of softs in 375HH?? [Re: 260rem]
#80583 - 14/06/07 07:50 AM

Thanks for all the information and advise guys. 'Top Predator' yes I was thinking of talking to Mark at Custom Cartridges about loading up some 300gr Woodleighs for me as I'm not set up for reloading yet. I'm from Pukekohe so Mark is only a few hours drive away.If not I'll get some 300gr factory ammo with either Swift A-frame or Failsafe projectiles for this hunt. The outfitter suggested that a 270, 30-06 or 7mm Mag would be fine with Nosler partitions...But I think I'd feel a whole lot happier with my 375HH. I'm really looking forward to this hunt...I'm on a tight budget with a morgage so this will be about as close as I'll get to chasing Buff. Maybe Australia could be on the cards in the future.

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Re: Scrub Bulls - Solids of softs in 375HH?? [Re: LukeinNZ]
#80584 - 14/06/07 08:25 AM

Falisafes are a good bullet,they are pretty hard.

Who is your guide for scrub bull???

I live in Hamilton and am happy to load rounds for you.

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Re: Scrub Bulls - Solids of softs in 375HH?? [Re: LukeinNZ]
#80606 - 14/06/07 11:30 AM

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If not I'll get some 300gr factory ammo with either Swift A-frame or Failsafe projectiles for this hunt.

Just FYI--the A-Frame is a bonded bullet where as the Failsafe, at least the older ones --were more of a copper bullet with a black coating on them called lubalux- I believe--anyway, one item I know is that coating left in the barrel is very hard to get out-not saying it can't be done but it is harder than normal copper deposits..

The other is most barrel manufacturers are not real fans of this or molly coating as well. I recently purchased a new Cooper--in the instruction manual it stated--1. do not shoot molly coated bullets to break in barrel and do shoot them at all for the first 500 rounds...

The only other item or complaint I have heard, is that, like the older Barnes bullets, as the Fail Safes open up the petals can break off intead of completing the mushroom.. This will/should not be a problem with a .375 as the velocities are lower than the bigger magnum cartridges..

I can say, I have shot probably 30 animals with the Swift A-Frame and have been very happy. I shot a Eland with a 400 Gr. out of my .416--we recovered the bullet--I brought it home and weighed it--392 grains--not too bad..

Good luck on your hunt--
Ripp

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Re: Scrub Bulls - Solids of softs in 375HH?? [Re: Ripp]
#80617 - 14/06/07 02:03 PM

A local gunshop owner went to Africa a year or two ago after buff and took his 375HH with 270gr Winchester failsafe factory fodder. He showed me two recovered bullets from his buff. In both cases the petals had parted company leaving the base to penetrate through the front shoulder and stopped short just under the skin on the other side. I Guess you could expect the Barnes X to give similar results.
Hey "Top Predator" I really appreciate the reloading offer. It would be good to catch up with someone who's been chasing buffalo. I've been talking with Peter Larson of Remote Adventures regarding hunting the wild bulls. Haven't finalised a date yet but apparently Christmas is good with the Bulls in Rutting season. I'll drop you an email when I have a free moment.

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