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9.3x57
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Re: .22 Savage Hi-Power or .225 Winchester [Re: Tatume]
#81276 - 25/06/07 10:41 AM

Well the least they could do was spin out a steel trigger guard!

That right there would increase the appeal of that thing tenfold.

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Re: .22 Savage Hi-Power or .225 Winchester [Re: Tatume]
#81287 - 25/06/07 09:37 PM

> The Handi Rifle seems to me to be a prime candidate for aftermarket parts.
> Well the least they could do was spin out a steel trigger guard!
> That right there would increase the appeal of that thing tenfold.

In my opinion, the ugliest part is the "release lever" (as H&R terms it). I pulled one to examine. It is stamped sheet steel, and the part that is visible is bent. I'm thinking of getting a spare, build it up with a little weldment, and file it to a nice shape, with checkering on top.

The trigger guard is another matter. It is a fairly complicated shape, as it is inserted up into the received and retained with cross pins. I'll look into reproducing these in polished steel, but I'm not sure it can be done for a price anybody would pay. Take care, Tom

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Re: .22 Savage Hi-Power or .225 Winchester [Re: NitroX]
#81293 - 26/06/07 12:59 AM

My first "varmint" rifle was a Savage 219 break action single shot rifle in caliber .22 Hornet which I had converted to .219 Zipper. Killed a lot of crows with it. As my tastes (and pocketbook) improved, I went to such cartridges as the .219 Improved Zipper, which is the wildcat prototype of the .225 Winchester, on a Winchester 1885 Single Shot action.

From there I went to a 6mm/.225, simply the .225 cartridge opened up to take 6mm bullets, and it was a real winner at longer range than the .219 Improved. Although I have no way of proving this, I am confident that in using the larger diameter bullet, the pressure was less. I generally used 60-75 grain bullets, and on occasion killed a deer with one of those loads. Very effective.

If the Savage 219, which was essentially a converted single shot shotgun with a brazed on underlug, could accomodate those calibers, I have no doubt that a solid S/S shotgun action could as well.

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Re: .22 Savage Hi-Power or .225 Winchester [Re: xausa]
#81296 - 26/06/07 01:57 AM

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If the Savage 219, which was essentially a converted single shot shotgun with a brazed on underlug, could accomodate those calibers, I have no doubt that a solid S/S shotgun action could as well.

The Handi Rifles I've seen had a welded-on lug, complete with weld bead on either side.

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Re: .22 Savage Hi-Power or .225 Winchester [Re: 9.3x57]
#81366 - 27/06/07 12:15 PM

Nitrox, Looking at your question, strictly from a builder's point of view, it's going to be a whole lot more difficult to find a pair of .228 barrels. Obviously, .224 barrels are a dime a dozen!

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Re: .22 Savage Hi-Power or .225 Winchester [Re: Ron_Vella]
#81372 - 27/06/07 02:20 PM

Ron

Good point. One I had not investigated but considered.

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Re: .22 Savage Hi-Power or .225 Winchester [Re: NitroX]
#81378 - 27/06/07 03:21 PM

John,
I have a BRNO in .22 Savage Hi-Power/5.6x52R over 12g 2,3/4" in vgc to excellent PM me if you are interested and it can take a scope

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22 HP? [Re: NitroX]
#82001 - 07/07/07 11:22 PM

I also been there thinkin of building a double on a .410 (for my doughter ofcourse) and as I have a 22 HP it would be obvious which caliber to use. But the "pencilround" 6x70r is so buitiful as a double round so I would probably go with that. And as its loaded for barrel inserts on combos and a lowpressure round(under 22 hornet) it woulnt be a problem. Also if the 22 HP comes hard to find for you it will be the same problem with the 6x70r.

The 22 HP does well on small game but as mention if you are a meathunter it can if you hit bone be a bit on the destroing end. But compared to the other 22 rounds suggested its much more usable on medium game if you intend to take care of it afterwords. As its not built as a crow blasting round.

Havent come across anyone using the 6x70r and dont know what bullets to use I cant ofcours recomend it but would use it myself.

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Re: .22 Savage Hi-Power or .225 Winchester [Re: Tatume]
#87331 - 18/10/07 04:27 AM

Alan McKenzie just sent me two photos of the project he previously had posted on NE. (Thanks Alan !)

This was a .22 rimfire project built from a .410 shotgun.

See the thread - here.

This project intrigued me and wondered if the same shotgun, one of which I have, if it could be made into a .22 Hi-Power. Maybe stocked a bit differently but similar idea without the need for off-setting the primers as for a rimfire.

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Re: .22 Savage Hi-Power or .225 Winchester [Re: NitroX]
#87385 - 19/10/07 12:12 AM

My pleasure John.
I actually sent you 5 photo's so if the others didn't turn up ,email me and I will forward them to you.
Have you considered the 5.6x50 rimmed.
Great round and cases are readily available.
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Re: .22 Savage Hi-Power or .225 Winchester [Re: ALAN_MCKENZIE]
#87477 - 21/10/07 03:21 AM

Alan,

The rest of the photos:

Yes a 5.6x50R might be another worthwhile consideration. Good idea.

Alan, when you hear about it, it would be nice to know how this little rifle shoots.

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Re: .22 Savage Hi-Power or .225 Winchester [Re: NitroX]
#87911 - 28/10/07 11:49 AM

i like the idea of the .219 zipper.... and i own a .225 win on a m70... i shoot the hornady 62 gr hpbt, at around 3250 fps... into a 1/2 group at 100 yds.... i've taken deer, texas hogs. jackrabbits.... all 1 shot kills....the .219 would be very easy to load for.. 30/30 brass is plentiful

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Re: .22 Savage Hi-Power or .225 Winchester [Re: NitroX]
#88236 - 05/11/07 01:19 AM

I was reading through this thread and about to suggest the 303/22 and then saw it was already suggested. If pigs and goats are high on the agenda, with the possibility of small deer, why not the
aussie classic 303/25. You get your rimmed case, as stated above should be able to download a little for low pressure, get projectiles that will handle any pig or goat and are legal for hunting
Hog Deer in Vic.(if you can find the sneaky little buggers!)

NOW I COME TO THINK ABOUT IT, I WOULDN'T MIND ONE OF THEM MYSELF!

All the best, Ian.

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Re: .22 Savage Hi-Power or .225 Winchester [Re: watto]
#88331 - 06/11/07 02:13 PM

Nitro X,

Did this project ever get off the ground?
I own a Manton double in .22 Savage Hi Power and it is a fantastic rifle. Total classic and a rare chambering in doubles. I have seen a couple Hollands in .22 H.P., Roosevelt & Drake had one a while back, and I think Fraser built a couple. The Hollands were sidelocks and mine is on a small Webley long bar boxlock.
I will post pictures when I get the chance.

I am new to this forum and am very pleased to see that there are like minded enthusiasts out there.
This group is doing a great service to us all!

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Re: .22 Savage Hi-Power or .225 Winchester [Re: Huvius]
#88344 - 06/11/07 08:26 PM

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Nitro X,

Did this project ever get off the ground?

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NitroX:

I'm thinking of a long term project ...

As my first post says. Several other projects will come first.

I may look for another .410 shotgun for the conversion as well leaving the existing one as a shotgun.

I'm in no hurry.

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I own a Manton double in .22 Savage Hi Power and it is a fantastic rifle. Total classic and a rare chambering in doubles. I have seen a couple Hollands in .22 H.P., Roosevelt & Drake had one a while back, and I think Fraser built a couple. The Hollands were sidelocks and mine is on a small Webley long bar boxlock.
I will post pictures when I get the chance.

That will be nice as these small calibre rifles seem to be quite rare. Please post photos when you are able.

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Re: .22 Savage Hi-Power or .225 Winchester [Re: NitroX]
#88384 - 07/11/07 09:30 AM

Well,
I took pictures of my three small bore doubles. I am not sure how they will look, but here goes...

From top to bottom is: J&W Tolley sidelock in .318 WR, a Johann Springer 8X57JR, and the Manton .22 HP.

You can really see the difference in size from the overhead view. I think the side view of them lined up distorts the Manton since it is closest to the camera and looks bigger than it is.

Interestingly, the Tolley is built on a large action for this cartridge, has long barrels and weight to match. I took the Springer elk hunting this year and cannot imagine toting the Tolley over the terrain we covered.

If interested, I can take more detailed pictures of any of the three.

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Re: .22 Savage Hi-Power or .225 Winchester [Re: NitroX]
#93702 - 07/01/08 06:47 AM

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I'm thinking of a long term project with a break open rifle in either .22 Savage Hi-Power or the .225 Winchester.

"Cartridges of the World" lists the .22 Savage Hi-Power as shooting a .228" 70 gr bullet at approximately 3000 fps.

The same reference lists the .225 Winchester as pushing a .224" 70 grain projectile at about the same speed.

What sort of game would you use these cartridges for in Australia or similar game overseas?

An ideal kangaroo round? Small pigs and goats? Hog deer and the smaller deer species?

What do you think?

I would go with the 22 hi power, there is so much romance and great stories to go with this particular cartridge.

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Re: .22 Savage Hi-Power or .225 Winchester [Re: ]
#95161 - 25/01/08 04:04 PM

Just a note. Had a chat with a specific gunsmith about this sort of project and he wasn't interested in doing it, so it is definitely on the back burner for a while.

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