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empirevr
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Who is this???
      #78928 - 19/05/07 07:45 AM

http://www.jagd-waffe.com/index.php?goto=buechsen

Opinions from the pros please.........

Ben

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Re: Who is this??? [Re: empirevr]
      #78941 - 19/05/07 11:02 AM

Quote:

http://www.jagd-waffe.com/index.php?goto=buechsen

Opinions from the pros please.........

Ben



Rigby ruined the 350 when they rechambered it.

Prices seem high to me.

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Re: Who is this??? [Re: empirevr]
      #78945 - 19/05/07 11:39 AM

The Holland 375 is + 45k. I would buy the Gibbs but I am already engaged in another transaction right now.

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Re: Who is this??? [Re: empirevr]
      #78960 - 19/05/07 02:36 PM

The proof marks on the Churchill are the oddest looking Birmingham marks I've ever seen. In fact, I think they're fake.

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Re: Who is this??? [Re: 400NitroExpress]
      #78961 - 19/05/07 02:59 PM


400


What's wrong with them ????


You are talking about the 470 Nitro by Churchill ?

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Re: Who is this??? [Re: 500Nitro]
      #78973 - 19/05/07 08:05 PM

500:

The mark "Cordite 75 GR - 500 bullet" was never used by the British

Under the 1887 rules, this mark on a .470 would read: "75 GRS - 500 GRS BULLET Max'm"; or "Cordite 75GRS - BULLET 500 GRS Max'm. Birmingham sometimes used "BALL" instead of BULLET, and sometimes used "GR" instead of "GRS". It did vary a little, the idea being to get the information on there. The mark that is present simply isn't correct though. Moreover, this style of mark was used only during the 1887-1904 period and was NEVER used with a dedicated Nitro Proof mark. The rest of the marks present are all 1904 rule or later. In 1904 the new mark became "Cordite 75 - 500 MAX", which was used until 1955.

Crown over BP, Crown over BV, and Crown over NP were all introduced in 1904. They don't go with the 1887 style mark above.

From the 1887 rules forward, the bore mark for a .470 NE was always "470EX", never ".470". "EX" was always used for an express rifle. Note the decimal point in ".470". Neither Brit Proof House has ever used one with this mark.

The case length mark (3.25") was introduced in the 1925 rules, and was in use until 1989.

The marks on that rifle aren't even a good fake. Scroll back through the Photo Archives section and look at the Proof Marks on British rifles in the photos and compare them to this rifle. You'll see what I mean.

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Re: Who is this??? [Re: 400NitroExpress]
      #78975 - 19/05/07 08:11 PM

400

I am up to speed on proof marks, I was in a hurry to go out for the day and I just can't access my books quickly ATM
so it was easier to ask you to outline them !!!'

Now that you have, I will go and have another look
and get my book.


Hell, It may even motivate me to stp work and get a few guns out to compare !


Thanks.

Edited by 500Nitro (19/05/07 08:12 PM)

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Re: Who is this??? [Re: 500Nitro]
      #78978 - 19/05/07 09:43 PM

Hmm

I found a new dealer then or???

Is he worth putting in the double dealers section on here?

The 500 bpe's worth the prices or not?

Noticed the Kavanagh 20 bore cased with bits? Well i dont like Damascus barrels......but otherwise seems like a bloody good price,no???

Some seem hellishly steep.......

Thanks for info

Ben

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Re: Who is this??? [Re: empirevr]
      #78979 - 19/05/07 09:46 PM



empire

Subject to bore condition and a manual inspection by someone,
I think the Grant is in the money.

Not sure why he has it priced there, either something isn't right with it or whatever.

He's a bit over on some of them though !

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Re: Who is this??? [Re: empirevr]
      #78981 - 19/05/07 09:53 PM

Ah

Yes the 470 would be cheap, but apart from the proof marks which i know little about, dont any of you have concerns over the pitting on the lug etc?!

Pits ughhh.....

Ben

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Re: Who is this??? [Re: empirevr]
      #78982 - 19/05/07 09:57 PM

500 thanks.
Damn nice gun....

I like the Manton too i must say.......

And the Kavanagh seems tip top, but i dont like Damascus.......

Who is this guy anyway?

I mailed twice for the Alex Thomson 450.......

Can someone mail in German? I have German friends here but they are away in Germany at the min....

All the best

Ben

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Re: Who is this??? [Re: gatsby]
      #78986 - 19/05/07 10:48 PM

Quote:

The Holland 375 is + 45k.



That's 43.500 € = US$58,762

@ $1.3508 conversion May 19, 2007

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Re: Who is this??? [Re: CptCurl]
      #78987 - 19/05/07 10:52 PM

Curl

How much did the Thomas Horsley 12b go for?

Thanks

Ben

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Re: Who is this??? [Re: empirevr]
      #78988 - 19/05/07 10:57 PM

The Horsley seems to be traveling a bit. I noticed it is currently on the market at Champlin's website for $12,900, which I consider a very reasonable price for that rifle (assuming it is in the same condition as when I parted with it early last year).

Thomas Horsley 12 bore rifle - formerly owned by Curl

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Re: Who is this??? [Re: CptCurl]
      #78989 - 19/05/07 11:00 PM

Curl,

How does the Horsley shoot?

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Re: Who is this??? [Re: 470evans]
      #78990 - 19/05/07 11:13 PM

Curl


Roscoe? Cornish heritage there i see.......

That rifle is a beauty, wish i had that kind of budget........

All the best,

Ben

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Re: Who is this??? [Re: 470evans]
      #78993 - 19/05/07 11:26 PM

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Curl,

How does the Horsley shoot?



I don't know. I never worked out a load for it. In the end I decided to leave that to someone else.

Curl

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Re: Who is this??? [Re: CptCurl]
      #78996 - 20/05/07 12:13 AM

So chaps....

Is this a new dealer??

Anyone get a reply from him let me know!!!!!!!

Thanks

Ben

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Re: Who is this??? [Re: empirevr]
      #78998 - 20/05/07 12:32 AM


empire

Their are heaps of dealers out there
that I am still finding on the net
after 7 years or so of looking and searching.


Why don't you fly over and go an see ?
I would and have done similar on many occasions.

It's not that expensive and peanuts compared
to the cost of a gun - or the cost of a mistake !

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Re: Who is this??? [Re: empirevr]
      #78999 - 20/05/07 12:33 AM

empire
The dealer is not new to me and I know someone who has just recently bought from them and I have heard of no problems.

Curl,
I was just guesstamating, I had no idea our $ had fallen that far against the euro.
The 375 is very similar to yours other than yours being a lefty? Engraving, sideclips and the bottom lug.

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Re: Who is this??? [Re: gatsby]
      #79001 - 20/05/07 02:58 AM

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Curl,

The 375 is very similar to yours other than yours being a lefty? Engraving, sideclips and the bottom lug.



I noticed that too, but it isn't the same. Curl's is stocked to the fences, while this one is not.

Yet another Holland "Royal" with a "flatback" action and a through lump. So much for the hard and fast rule about what a "best" gun is supposed to be.

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Re: Who is this??? [Re: 400NitroExpress]
      #79004 - 20/05/07 03:44 AM

Nigel and Gatsby...

I have half considered the flight idea, this chap never answers though.

Main plan is i shall go back to Blighty and see some of the guys there, pop into an auction or something too.

The double game is surely a tough one......

I am praying for a 577 to turn up........the 500 is very good sure, the 450 is also a nice round, but the 577 is 'king of the hill' as a bpe round, though perhaps even more so is the 577/500 or 20/577 as these give more speed.

All the best and thanks.......

Ben

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Re: Who is this??? [Re: empirevr]
      #79055 - 20/05/07 10:42 PM

And this one is assisted opening, while mine is not.

Curl

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Re: Who is this??? [Re: CptCurl]
      #79071 - 21/05/07 04:01 AM

The real sleeper there may be the Gibbs 461 @ 9500Euros. Unfortunately I don't know enough German to be able to decide.

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Re: Who is this??? [Re: Savuti_One_Shot]
      #79076 - 21/05/07 04:45 AM



SOS

You got it.

I haven't looked yet but when I saw it
listed I raised my eyebrows.

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