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bonanza
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Oops, I've done it again!
#78267 - 09/05/07 07:16 AM

Just reiveced this little number today. About the size of a 28 gauge shotgun. I have never even handled an H&H until now. We are talking a whole new leauge of finery.

http://www.champlinarms.com/Default.aspx...3&GunID=750

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500Nitro
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Re: Oops, I've done it again! [Re: bonanza]
#78268 - 09/05/07 07:20 AM

bonanza

Well done - goood pick up.

Those Toplever Hammer Dobles are great.

You will have alot of fun with it and
if my memory serves me correctly, a great
little cartridge for a light double.

Enjoy.

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dnovo
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Re: Oops, I've done it again! [Re: 500Nitro]
#78272 - 09/05/07 08:30 AM

DRs are like popcorn. It is hard to stop nibbling after you have your first taste. Dave

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CptCurl
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Re: Oops, I've done it again! [Re: bonanza]
#78276 - 09/05/07 08:46 AM

Blair you naughty child. You may have to go to bed without your supper for such misbehavior.

Congratulations!

Curl

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Re: Oops, I've done it again! [Re: bonanza]
#78277 - 09/05/07 08:46 AM

ENJOY IT FOR A LONG TIME!

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bonanza
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Re: Oops, I've done it again! [Re: 500Nitro]
#78284 - 09/05/07 10:42 AM

I got a taste for hammer guns when I bought the Hollis last year. Nothing wrong with the Hollis, but this was an opportunity too good to pass up. If this shoots well I'll be selling my Hollis and Dakota fund it. I recenlty got a very sweet Husqavrana(sp) Toplever hammer 16 gauge that shoots (trap) like a dream.

Yes, the 35 Winchester is a great cartridge. Bullet weights from 200 to 310 with the 225 and 250 being the ideal. I should be able to push a 250 grain Nosler Partition a 2300 while keeping it under 17 tonnes. Needless to say, that will kill just about anything. A 200 grain plinker will come in at about 12 tonnes.

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CptCurl
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Re: Oops, I've done it again! [Re: bonanza]
#78286 - 09/05/07 11:43 AM

The ballistics are very similar to the 9x57R, by the way!

Very versatile. Great North American cartridge.

How's the availability of brass for the .35 Winchester now?

Curl

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tinker
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Re: Oops, I've done it again! [Re: bonanza]
#78288 - 09/05/07 01:17 PM

Looks like there's a dovetail in the action breech face from one side to the other.
Might this be a remedy to erosion around the striker holes?

Have you handled the gun yet or is it on it's way for a shooting test period?

--Tinker

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Chasseur
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Re: Oops, I've done it again! [Re: bonanza]
#78292 - 09/05/07 05:08 PM

Thats a nice little number there! Congrats!

If you need a home for that Hollis...

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500Nitro
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Re: Oops, I've done it again! [Re: bonanza]
#78293 - 09/05/07 05:13 PM

Bonanza,

If it makes you feel any better I've also done
it again twice in the last 2 months, one Shotgun
and one DR.

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peter
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Re: Oops, I've done it again! [Re: 500Nitro]
#78295 - 09/05/07 06:58 PM

bonanza

looks good and it is also nice to have a few to pick from when it is time to go hunting.

congrats.

peter

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bonanza
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Re: Oops, I've done it again! [Re: tinker]
#78297 - 09/05/07 08:42 PM

Yes, the "strip" that runs across the standing breech is the "bushing" and is held in place by screws.

I picked it up from the FFL yesderday. It's a DR, but oh so different than my Jeffery 450. Nothing feels like a round body action.

I have three boxes of ammo on the way from Champlins. Will report on how it shoots.

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Double_Trouble
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Re: Oops, I've done it again! [Re: bonanza]
#78304 - 09/05/07 10:08 PM

Well Done Bonanza!
She looks like a beauty!

Have you any idea when it was re bored? If it was done by Cliff Labounty it was certainly done correctly. It would seem that you snagged a great DR!

congrats!

DT

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dnovo
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Re: Oops, I've done it again! [Re: Double_Trouble]
#78305 - 09/05/07 10:30 PM

"Nothing feels like a round body action." Boy, are you right! I have a round bodied Ferlib hammer gun built about four years ago which I bought virtually NIB along with a matched 20 ga set of barrels in 9.3X74R. In addition to an incredible build and finish (I visited Ferlib a few years ago when I was in Italy on business, along with a few other small Italian custom and semi-custom shops, and watching them turn out guns is a joy) every time I take it out, the feel of the action is almost enough pleasure to distract me from admiring the rose and scroll engraving. Of course, then I shoot it, and the pleasure of an accurate and smooth hammer gun takes first place in my awarness.

They are a unique breeed, round action DRs! Dave

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Edited by dnovo (09/05/07 10:32 PM)

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bonanza
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Re: Oops, I've done it again! [Re: Double_Trouble]
#78312 - 09/05/07 11:28 PM

I think it was re-bored in the past 5 years. The rifling looks like they came from the factory, in fact the entire rifle looks like it walk out of Bond street yesterday. George Caswell as also completely guaranteed it, even to the point of re-regulating the barrels to my load free of charge.

I see H&H are making round body back action rifles/shotguns again. Looks like the old Dominion Grade.

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bonanza
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Re: Oops, I've done it again! [Re: CptCurl]
#78313 - 09/05/07 11:35 PM

"How's the availability of brass for the .35 Winchester now?"

Bertram is the only headstamped source. However it can be made from 30-40 Krag and 405 WCF. Remarkable, Buffalo Arms and Kynoch sell loaded ammo. I'll buy 5 boxes of Bertram cases and put them aside to future proof the Cartridge. The bullet selection is outstanding to the point where cost is a non-factor.

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Double_Trouble
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Re: Oops, I've done it again! [Re: bonanza]
#78316 - 10/05/07 12:51 AM

That sounds about right as Cliff hasn't been re-boring for a couple of years now, when next I speak to him, I will ask him if he recalls the particular job... I am pretty confident that he will.

I am anxious to read your report on how she shoots.

DT

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Bill_Cooley
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Re: Oops, I've done it again! [Re: Double_Trouble]
#78376 - 10/05/07 01:17 PM

Bonanza,
Well done, it looks like a great pick up!!!
Now the purist snobs will try to bash you because someone took a useless rifle and made it into a usable gun again.
I had a friend do something similar. I don't remember the maker but it started out in 303 but the bores were so bad you couldn’t keep it on target at 50 yards. Had it bored to 375 flanged mag and it shot great.
Best of luck with your new toy.
Bill

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bonanza
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Re: Oops, I've done it again! [Re: Bill_Cooley]
#78388 - 10/05/07 09:18 PM

Bill,

Thanks. Givin the the 35 wCF was introduced in 1903, even the stogiest purest can accept the rebore as the cartridge is correct. The only think they may quip about is that H&H did not do it

I have read the Chris Labounty is not doing re-bores any more, but has pursued the manufacturing of rifleing machinery. However, his old shop still does the work.

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Double_Trouble
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Re: Oops, I've done it again! [Re: bonanza]
#78391 - 10/05/07 10:33 PM

Bonanza:
You are correct that Cliff is now making and selling his equipment but his shop does not do re-boring any longer.

He steers the work to a capable fellow in his neck of the woods (whose name escapes me at present)who does the work on the machinery that he purchased and learned on from Cliff.

DT

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Re: Oops, I've done it again! [Re: Double_Trouble]
#78400 - 11/05/07 01:30 AM

Bonanza - what a great hutning rifle! I'm very happy for you. With the very wide range of bullets available, I'm sure you'll be able to get it to regulate properly.
: Since the original 'regulation' was for 215gr. at about 1,9000fps and quite light recoil, I do hope you can find a load for hunting weight bullets at works.

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Re: Oops, I've done it again! [Re: tinker]
#78826 - 18/05/07 04:14 AM

Quote:

Looks like there's a dovetail in the action breech face from one side to the other.
Might this be a remedy to erosion around the striker holes?

--Tinker

No, the dovetailed steel plate is original, not a remedy for a later problem. This was a common feature on hammer rifles from this period, especially those from Webley & Scott, which I think this gun may be from. Holland sold a lot of P. Webley & Son, W & C Scott & Son, and later Webley & Scott products under their own name. Excepting the hammer safeties and the engraving, this gun is a ringer for the Webley 435 H. C. (Hammer Cordite) illustrated in their 1914 & 1922 catalogues. Included in the catalogue description - "steel plate across face of action". I've seen quite a few of these with the dovetailed steel plate exactly as in the photo.

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Grizzly
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Re: Oops, I've done it again! [Re: 400NitroExpress]
#78833 - 18/05/07 05:58 AM

Sweet!

Very nice rifle.

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Marrakai
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Re: Oops, I've done it again! [Re: 400NitroExpress]
#79101 - 21/05/07 01:56 PM

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the dovetailed steel plate is original...., a common feature on hammer rifles from this period

Looks like the Lancaster on the Jagd-Waffe site posted by empirevr might be another example:

http://www.jagd-waffe.com/CS/bild.php?show=waffen098.jpg

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