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All shooters with heavy Doubles may eventually Double their gun.This leaves you without options but to reload in "the heat of battle" This obviously can be fatal if that 2nd shot isn't there and the beast is upon you.

How do we prevent this with heavy recoiling Doubles and/or high stress situations? Discussed on another forum it was suggested that 2 causes were the source--
A) Shooter error, and B)Double mechanical error.

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The big problem with a double discharge while standing a charge is,the shots are so close together that most times the shooter is not aware of it till he tries to fire the other barrel. This wastes valuable time, and causes momentary confusion. This just may be enough time wasted to get you, and your rifle, a severe stomping!

With a machanical failier caused double discharge, the fix is a good double rifle gun smith, because the rifle is broken. If it is a shooter error, then the bigest thing causeing this is not holding a very firm,grip on the pistol grip of the rifle. As long as you hand doesn't move back on the grip area, the trigger finger does not leave the front trigger.

The test to tell you which type of double discharge you are experiencing, and if you have auto ejectors, place a live round in the right barrel, and a snap-cap in the left. Fire the rifle. When you break the rifle, if it has doubled, the ejectors will kick both the empty, and the snap-cap out of the rifle, then reverse this by tradeing barrels with the snap-cap, and do it all over again. If it only lifts the snap-cap out, and ejects the empty it didn't double. If the rifle is fitted with only extractors, the smoke the back of the snap-cap so a mark will be left on the primer area of the snap-cap, if the fireing pin hits it. If it doesn't show a hit on the snap-cap, then you are likely, looking at shooter error!

Intercepters will prevent the doubleing of a machanical, but not a shooter error one. In the shooter error, the back trigger is actually pulled by accident. The rifle is fine, it is the shooter than requires fixing! Intercepters, are a fine, but expensive option, and are a nice extra safety, but I can live without them. As I said above, all one must do is grip that trigger hand on the rifle, and unless the rifle is damaged it will not double on you! The first time a rifle doubles on you, run the test immediatly, and if it is machanical, have it repaired before going into the weeds with something that may want to bite you! If it is shooter error, LEARN! Of course, the back trigger first is an option, but as for me, I'd much rather learn to do my shooting properly!

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Re: pulling the rear trigger first...... I thought this was the accepted practice. Yes, no?

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All shooters with heavy Doubles may eventually Double their gun.

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please explain why it is faster or more advantageous to
shoot the front trigger first?

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please explain why it is faster or more advantageous to
shoot the front trigger first?

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After firing the right barrel, the recoil naturally tends to move your trigger finger closer to the rear trigger making a second shot quick. But if you start with the rear trigger first, then after recoil you have to slide your finger forward and for some people their hand grip has to move forward as well. That takes a bit of time and it is not a natural movement.

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Dan

Isn't this what causes "doubling" sometimes?

So if the trigger finger is held in such a way as to prevent doubling, ie not allowed to move backwards under recoil, then how can it be faster?

I certainly agree with you with shotguns, but maybe not that it is faster in a heavy recoiling big bore?

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My first double was and is a 28 gauge Parker with double triggers. Being somewhat ambidextrous, I shoot shotguns left handed and bolt actions right handed (because there weren't any left handed rifles when I was young). My technique with the Parker was and is to pull the rear trigger first and let the recoil "assit" in moving my finger to the front trigger. When I got my 470 I just used the same approach and it seems to work very well. But I'm pretty new to big bore double shooting and will try the front trigger method and see how it works.

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Arizona, Shotguns are not double rifles, and there is a real reason to shoot a double barreled shotgun both ways! Firstly, a shotgun is not well enough regulated to make any difference, and secondly, most shotguns are choked differently in each barrel. With that thought in mind, if you are shooting birds that are comeing in to water, and a pair is flying together, you fire the left barrel first, because that barrel is usually choked tighter than the right barrel, this hits one of the birds farther out, and the other bird will slide in another 4 or 5 yds before he can vier off, so is closer when you fire on him, with the open choke. If, however, you are walking up birds, when they flush, you fire the right barrel first because the birds are closer, then follow up with a shot on the other bird with the tighter choke, be cause he will be farther out!

The double rifle, however, has the same "CHOKE" no matter the distance to the target, and the barrels are regulated very percicely! Anyone, who has shot a double rifle much, will know that the very thin barrels can be felt HEATING as soon as the bullet passes your forehand fingers. This heating in short order suddenly warps the fired barrel, but it also effects the barrel it is tied to, The effect of the warping of the right barrel determines to some extent, the cool left barrel's positioning in realtion to suddenly HOT right barrel. This doesn't effect all rifles the same, but some are effected enough to cause a different impact on the target at a distance, for the second shot. This is more important with longer range shots, as with the first, and second shots on an animal at say 75 yds for the first shot, and 80 to 90 yds for the second shot at a fleeing animal. It is true, that at a 10 yd charge, it makes no difference, because both shots are fired off the end of the barrels, but if you get into the habit of shooting rear trigger first, sooner or later you will gut shoot something, by doing that way on a longer shot as well, on something like a lion. IMO, regardless what rifle you are shooting, you should learn to shoot one way, instinctively, and that requires doing it the same way every time without thinking. Anyone can learn to shoot a double rifle without getting an unintentional discharge. It is my contention, that this is the best way to do things with a double rifle, but others may do as it suits them. That right, however, doesn't mean the order of pulling triggers has no effect, on regulation, for the second barrel! OPINION, be assured, and not binding on anyone not willing to heed good, and free advice!

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This doesn't effect all rifles the same, but some are effected enough to cause a different impact on the target at a distance, for the second shot. .............

... but if you get into the habit of shooting rear trigger first, sooner or later you will gut shoot something, by doing that way on a longer shot as well, on something like a lion.

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That right, however, doesn't mean the order of pulling triggers has no effect, on regulation, for the second barrel! OPINION, be assured .....

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Mac

As you own a number of double rifles, for which specific double rifles that you own is there a issue with which barrel is fired first, and for which is there no issue? If all of them, I would still like to know which ones to see if there is any correlation.

Lets get to some specifics, please.

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