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Paatti
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Most common 11 mm calibers in old Sauer drillings
      #70291 - 27/01/07 09:48 PM

Hi everybody I'm new face in this forum and i might have quite tricky question for you.
I just wonder witch might be the most common 11mm calibers in old J.P Sauer drillings?
Maybe?
10.75x52R
11x50R Albini
11x50R Beaumont
11x59R Gras
11.15x58R
11.15x60R
11.15x65R
11.2x72R
11.5x35R
11.5x50R Beaumont
11.5x58R
Just curious about old drillings and in many cases even seller don't know right kaliber.
and excuse me my bad enlish.

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Re: Most common 11 mm calibers in old Sauer drillings [Re: Paatti]
      #70304 - 28/01/07 06:00 AM

Which one is the 11mm Mauser. Thats all I have seen down here in the German guns.

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Re: Most common 11 mm calibers in old Sauer drillings [Re: DoubleD]
      #70313 - 28/01/07 07:55 AM

I think that 10,75x57 is the mauser kaliber witch you mean but there is no rimmed version available if i'm right.
Still looking for 11mm (approx) kalibers of sauer drillings between 1890-1910.

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Re: Most common 11 mm calibers in old Sauer drillings [Re: Paatti]
      #70314 - 28/01/07 08:23 AM

The 11mm Mauser is probably the most common one as DoubleD said. It's also called 11.15X60R or .43 caliber Mauser.

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Re: Most common 11 mm calibers in old Sauer drillings [Re: AkMike]
      #70316 - 28/01/07 08:47 AM

What about Beaumonts? How common are they? I think I've seen couple of Austrian guns in 11x50R Beaumont and 11.5x50R Beaumont caliber.

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Re: Most common 11 mm calibers in old Sauer drillings [Re: Paatti]
      #70319 - 28/01/07 10:09 AM

Hallo Paatti,

a cupple of years ago, i´ve saw on the local shootingrange here an owner of a old drilling in 16gage and 11,15x65R (blackpowder). In a old german catalouge from 1911 this calibre belongs to the standart.
Last year somebody sells a drilling (not a Sauer&Sohn) in 12gage and 10,75x52R.
This bouth and the 11,15x60R/M71 (.43Mauser) were the most uesed 11mm-rimed-calibres between 1870 and 1920.
After World-war I, this calibre were completly gone. Arrond the late 1880´s the caliber like 8x57R/360, 9,3x72R, 9,3x82R were more used. First with blackpowder and lead-buillets, later with smokeless powder and nickel-coatet buillets.
The 11,2x72R could be the rimed version of the 11,2x72 Schüler, a german big-game-cartrige of 1904, which is from the power not very far from the new .450Rigby Mag.
The rimed version of this cartrige an d the rimed 10,75x57 were also in the old gun-catalouge from 1911, but they are very rare, maybe there were just a few guns build for them.

regards from Germany
Manolito

Edited by blackberry9 (28/01/07 10:12 AM)

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Re: Most common 11 mm calibers in old Sauer drillings [Re: blackberry9]
      #71571 - 15/02/07 09:17 PM

Thank's for the information.

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Re: Most common 11 mm calibers in old Sauer drillings [Re: Paatti]
      #74878 - 29/03/07 02:19 AM

Paati,

I'm wondering if the reason for your question is that you have such a Sauer drilling with a rifle barrel in a caliber you have been unable to identify. If that is the case, I would recommend having a chamber cast made and comparing the dimensions of the chamber cast with the known dimensions of the various 11mm cartridges you have listed. Since there can be a great deal of difference in the pressures generated by the various 11mm loadings, it is certainly important to have exact information concerning the cartridge you are dealing with.

Don't forget to have an accurate cast of the rifle bore made, as well. Exact bullet size is another important factor.

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Re: Most common 11 mm calibers in old Sauer drillings [Re: xausa]
      #119207 - 20/11/08 05:52 AM

Does anyone know the correct bullet weight for the 11.15x65r?

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Re: Most common 11 mm calibers in old Sauer drillings [Re: SteveG]
      #119238 - 20/11/08 06:04 PM

The 1910 catalog from Burgsmüller lists as the most common calibers:
9.3x72R
9.3x82R
11x65R Drilling-Patrone (slightly conical case)

There are 11.15 mm bullets offered for reloading:
a flat nose, 47 bullets per kg (328 grains)
a round nose, 48 bullets per kg (321 grains)

It seems that a distinction between 11 mm and 11.15 mm was not made.

I have inherited some original pre-WWII 11.15 swaged lead bullets and some more bullets cast by my father from an original mold, both types weighing around 300 grains.

Fuhrmann

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Re: Most common 11 mm calibers in old Sauer drillings [Re: fuhrmann]
      #121493 - 18/12/08 10:11 PM

SteveG,

One my pen friend from another forum have two 11.15x65R LK in his collection.

One of them is prodused by factory of Babette Stahl in Suhl - bullet weight is 21.13 g

The second is prodused by Utendorfer in Nurenberg - bullet weight 19.28 g

Oleg

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Re: Most common 11 mm calibers in old Sauer drillings [Re: Oleg]
      #122410 - 27/12/08 03:33 PM

I have a Sauer and Sohn in 16x16 x 11.15x65R. I have not spent much time with it as it is at my gunsmith having a new spring made. I have some pictures here that may give you some more information. There is another post originated by me below that may be helpful to you.






Edited by kcordell (27/12/08 04:13 PM)

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Re: Most common 11 mm calibers in old Sauer drillings [Re: kcordell]
      #127854 - 23/02/09 11:57 PM

Dear Kcordell,
Have You slugged Your 11,15 mm barrel?
What is the real dimentions of 11.15 mm caliber (fields, groves - diameters)?

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Re: Most common 11 mm calibers in old Sauer drillings [Re: Oleg]
      #127856 - 24/02/09 12:01 AM

Dear All,
I have opened new topic at the "Cartridge Collecting and Swapping" forum.
It is about 11x65R cartridge (not 11.15x65R LK) and my drilling.

http://forums.nitroexpress.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=127848&an=0&page=0#Post127848

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