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DarylS
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.32 Winchester Spl. & cast bullet loads.
      #66999 - 14/12/06 05:39 AM

: Some years ago, I came to possess a pristine M94 in .32 Spl. It was built in 1950 and purchased in '51. This rifle retains about 99% finish. The 'old' 94's are beautiful actions, not appreciated unless 'worked' in comparrison to the new, cast part ones. The stamped post '64's don't even enter the equation. At one time I attempted to sel this rile for $250.00, without a buyer. I've decided to keep it as-is, or re-barrel to a larger calibre.
: Question - does any one here load for one? I am interested mainly in cast bullet loads for plinking or perhaps hunting.
: What moulds do you use? What loads?
: I was hoping to find a 150 to 160gr. mould to no avail, and since I'm on a disability pension, buying NEI or other custom moulds is fairly out of the question - maybe 1 is possible. Take the US price and multiply by 1.5 and that's the price here.
: Flat nose is preferred, to be able to use the magazine, but I've been known to load single shot or 2 (1 up the spout and 1 in the mag) if necessary.
; Any help or data is appreciated.
; I have considered re-barreling to something more worthwhile, like .38/55 or a .35 cal.
: Thanks

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Daryl


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Double_Trouble
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Re: .32 Winchester Spl. & cast bullet loads. [Re: DarylS]
      #67007 - 14/12/06 06:16 AM

Good Luck with that M94.... I am currently looking for one in 30-30. they are increasing in value by the day since Winchester went down.

I have a line on an RCMP commemorative NIB but its too pimpy and I really dont want the bling ,,, i just want a gun i can use in thick brush conditions for deer and moose.

the 7mm Blaser that i have is great for wide open long shots but is a mutha to drag through thick cover.

Your comments on pre 64 actions has just narrowed my search.... sounds to me like its pre 64 or nothing.

DT

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Re: .32 Winchester Spl. & cast bullet loads. [Re: Double_Trouble]
      #67083 - 15/12/06 03:52 AM

As to the more modern 94's, I have a 1987 BigBore 94 in .375 Winchester. I filed the rear sight to a gentle "V" 'Express' style sight, with an ivory bead front sight. This sighting allows the rifle to hold 1-1/2" at 100 meters with a variety of loads off the bench, and like most 94's points perfectly, for rapid sight aquisition on game - it is fast. It actually has a very smooth 'cast part' action is well worth considering. They are certainly superior to the stamped 94's.
: The Pre-64's are indeed better yet, but cannot handle the pressures the Big Bore 94 can. In 1982 and 83, I shot my moose with it, using 220gr. Horandy FN's at a piddling 1,940fps muzzle velocity using a case full of H335. With faster powders the 20" barrel is capable of making 2,200fps, but I doubt the performance could have been better. The first moose a 500 pound cow, went down in 1-1/2 steps, the other, a smallish 600 pound bull making 3 or 4 steps after being hit. Both shots were made just behind the shoulder and ended up underneath the hide on the far side, perfectly expanded after passing through the 'off' shoulder. I was impressed by these 'light' bullets.
: Currently, I am using a load of 38gr. H322 with the same bullet for 2,000fps even. This load is also accurate.
: I can think of few better ctgs. for deer, moose and elk in the bush, ranged to about 200 yards max. Of equal performance, perhaps a shade better, is a newer side eject .356, or maybe a Marlin 336 in the same calibre, also out of production. The 94 .356Win. I had, I gave to my brother for his guiding back-up rifle. With 250gr. Horandy RN's seated deeply, over 46gr. H335, it makes 2,150fps and smacks moose hard. He's dropped 3 or 4 previously wounded moose so far, in their tracks. It is impressive.
: I personally feel the .30/30 is a bit light for moose or elk, but a premuim bullet like the 170gr. Barnes will add a bit of 'extra' smack for it. I'd try to find a .375Win. if youhandload, or a .356Win, either in the 94 or both in Marlins. Either will become a favourite rifle, I'm certain.
: The pre-64 Winchesters are really nice, but are restricted to mid 30,000CUP pressure. Improvements can be made by going to the .38/55 chambering with heavy handloads pushing 250 or 25gr. bulelts to 1,850fps, or a .35 Lever Power wildcat ctg. that will make 2,000fps with 220gr., either of which I am considering for my old .32.
; The RCMP comm. came out while I was in Basic Taining, Regina. We all ordered them, and upon actually seeing one in the Gaurd House one night, we were very disapointed. These were for the rarer RCMP marked ones, only available to members (or were ours MP marked?). We could order 2 at $135.00 each, each with consecutive serial numbers. I expected a newly made 76, afterall, it we were told it was a commemorative, and was so upset at seeing the stamped parts 94's, I cancelled my order.

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Daryl


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Double_Trouble
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Re: .32 Winchester Spl. & cast bullet loads. [Re: DarylS]
      #67152 - 16/12/06 01:20 AM

Daryl:
i agree that the 30 30 may be on the light side but at the distances i am considering using this rifle i think it will suffice ( with well placed shots ) the bush we hunt doesnt offer shots longer than say 50 or 60 yds unless we come across small ponds and you get lucky enough to sit on a beaver damn and freeze your ass off while on watch.

I dont handload at all so I will only be using factory ammo. it would seem to me that my options are greater finding a 3030 load on the shelf than limiting myself to the Big Bore 375 ...which by the way I have seen used quite effectively while I was deer hunting in Nebraska a few years ago.

yea,,, that RCMP comm gun has a cheap feel and look about it(and does have the MP burned in the stock) and now that i have passed on it, the guy called me back with a new price ... he has come down from $750.00 CDN to $525.00...I still dont want it.
I have told a local dealer and a guy who is "hooked up" to keep an eye out for a pre 64 30-30 PERIOD.
The dealer called me back and offered me a Marlin I passed on it.... I already have a 22 mag in a M94 knock off (a nicely made German production gun) now I want the real McCoy

good luck with your re-chambering efforts


DT

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