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Please vote in anti-duck hunting poll!
      #66652 - 09/12/06 12:54 PM

Please vote for duck hunting (NO to ban) poll in Tasmania. Keep up the fight!

The Greenies, in this case the RSPCA of Tasmania are at it again. Trying to show public support for an end to the duck hunting season in Tasmania. They are bragging about it on the RSPCA website in Queensland so obviously Tasmania wants to do it now as well.

South Australia, Victoria and Tasmania, plus the Northern Territory are the last bastions to duck hunting seasons. we all must work to stop more states permanently banning duck hunting and work towards re-introducing seasons in the other states.

After duck hunting the greenies will no doubt turn to a new area of attack.

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Re: Please vote in anti-duck hunting poll! [Re: NitroX]
      #66671 - 09/12/06 07:41 PM

The NO vote is staying well ahead so far, keep those votes coming lads!

Checking the previous polls on their web-site, it looks like this is the first one not to go their way by 90% or more in quite a while.

Personally, I foster a strong dislike for the RSPCA these days. They started out as a very worthy organisation, standing against cruelty to domestic animals, but they have been hijacked completely by the Animal Rights movement and have totally lost the plot. I would really like to see the 'old guard' rise again within that organisation, but sadly I think the trendy extremists will retain the helm for the forseeable future. Accordingly, they can get stuffed, and I'm happy to tell their serfs exactly that at my doorstep on collection day.

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Re: Please vote in anti-duck hunting poll! [Re: Marrakai]
      #66959 - 13/12/06 11:44 PM

The Greenie organisations have been running a campaign to offset shooters. We need all the votes we can get.

Please vote NO to banning the duck season:

http://www.rspcatas.org.au/

in the poll on this website!


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Re: Please vote in anti-duck hunting poll! [Re: NitroX]
      #67039 - 14/12/06 11:03 AM

I voted no.

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Re: Please vote in anti-duck hunting poll! (AUS forum) [Re: mikeh416Rigby]
      #67065 - 14/12/06 08:58 PM

A small win of sorts.

Quote:

The current poll has been deactivated because of malicious use




"Claimed" results:

Do you think recreational duck shooting should be banned in Tasmania?
Total Votes: 20115
Yes (15215 votes)76%

No (4508 votes)22%

Unsure (392 votes)2%

But I think the 76% and 15215 votes in favour were rigged. The true vote was somthing quite different. And the total vote was becoming unrealistic for them to try to maintain a 75% vote in favour.

So they pulled the plug and will probably claim shooters hacked it or something.


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Re: Please vote in anti-duck hunting poll! (AUS forum) [Re: NitroX]
      #67067 - 14/12/06 09:04 PM

OK am I making up my claims they rigged the results?

Here are their previous polls and total votes cast:

Would you pay more for animal produce that was raised in free range or welfare friendly conditions? Total votes cast 350 votes

Do you think the use of 1080 poison is inhumane and should therefore be banned in Tasmania? Total votes cast 851 votes

Should circuses be banned from using exotic animals? Total votes cast 381 votes

Should it be made compulsory to desex domestic cats? Total votes cast 954 votes

Should the Tasmanian Government legislate to ban the live export of animals for food? Total votes cast 1402 votes


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Ha ha, then they claim for their latest poll:

Do you think recreational duck shooting should be banned in Tasmania? Total votes cast "20115" votes




What a bunch of fraudelent (IM Opinion of course) clowns!


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Re: Please vote in anti-duck hunting poll! (AUS forum) [Re: NitroX]
      #67123 - 15/12/06 04:23 PM


From the (RSPKCCA) "Royal Society for the "Perpetuation" of the Killing of Captured and Caged Animals":

[QUOTE] Duck Hunting: Kill the ´sport´ not the duck! (19/11/2006)

Within the next few weeks State Government will be deciding on the fate of Tasmanian ducks for 2007. Despite estimates of a lower duck population due to the drought conditions being experienced, animal welfare organisations fear that a duck shooting season will go ahead next year. We need your help in calling for a ban on ANY future duck shooting seasons.

SOME FACTS ABOUT DUCK SHOOTING

Every year hundreds of thousands of ducks are shot over the wetlands of Australia in the name of a ‘sport´ - recreational duck hunting. Some of these ducks will be killed outright. Some will be wounded, brought down and killed on retrieval. Many others will be crippled or wounded and will die within a few hours or days. Some will suffer prolonged pain before they die.

Duck shooting is not humane. Tens of thousands of ducks receive horrific injuries every year during the hunting season. The RSPCA opposes the recreational hunting of ducks because of the high level of cruelty involved.

Why is duck hunting so cruel?

In order for duck shooting to be humane, all ducks shot would have to be killed outright by the hunter*. This is not the case. Some ducks are brought down and killed by the hunter on retrieval, usually by wringing the neck. Others are crippled (brought down but not retrieved) and these may die within hours, days or weeks of being shot. Other ducks will be wounded but will fly on. Some ducks will escape unscathed.

* For duck shooting to be as humane as abattoir slaughter it must be possible for a hunter of average skill to kill all ducks instantly or, on very rare occasions, with a second shot within a few seconds.

Why are so many ducks wounded?

Because limitations in the way shotguns operate make it impossible to ensure that a duck is killed outright, even by a skilled marksman. There is a high level of cruelty in duck hunting that cannot be eliminated unless the practice is banned.

Hunting with a shotgun

Ducks are usually shot with a 12 gauge shotgun. A shotgun, unlike a rifle, fires a cluster of pellets rather than a single bullet. As the pellets leave the gun they gradually spread out in a cigar-shaped cloud which increases in diameter the further it is from the gun. If the duck is fully within the cloud of pellets it may be killed outright, but this depends on exactly what pattern the pellets have formed.

The spread of pellets from a shotgun is irregular, so at normal hunting range it is impossible to ensure, even when the duck is within the target area, that it will be hit by enough pellets to kill it. If the duck is on the edge of the circle of pellets it will be wounded rather than killed. If the duck is within the circle but just out of range it will be wounded as the pellets will be travelling too slowly to kill.

Ducks need to be struck by three to eight pellets for a relatively quick kill, depending on the size of the pellets. A hunter will usually have to fire between four and ten shots for each duck they kill. These shots will be aimed at a number of ducks, only one of which will be downed and (eventually) bagged (Sanderson & Bellrose 1986: Victorian DCE 1991).

Crippling and wounding rates

There is no definitive figure on the percentage of ducks crippled or wounded as a result of duck hunting, but an estimate can be made using a number of different methods.

Embedded pellets

One way is to examine the incidence of shotgun pellets embedded in the bodies of live birds. Studies of this type have found that the percentage of birds with embedded pellets ranged from 6% to 19% of ducks, depending on the size of the duck (Norman 1976).

This level of wounding in live ducks is very concerning, especially given that

* it does not include crippling and fatal shot wounds; and
* these surveys include ducks that have not been shot at (and therefore could never be wounded) which dilutes the overall wounding rate.

Hunter interviews and hidden observers

Another method used to estimate wounding levels is to interview hunters on the number of ducks wounded per duck retrieved. This is an extremely unreliable (and unscientific) method since hunters have been shown to grossly underestimate crippling rates.

A Canadian study which compared hunter estimates with reports from hidden observers who had watched the shooters and counted the number of ducks they crippled found that hunters reported a crippling rate of 6-18% of ducks bagged compared to the observed level of 20-45% (Nieman et al 1987).

These results indicate that hunter assessments are a totally unsuitable method of estimating wounding rates. Overall, the Nieman et al study found a crippling rate of 40% of the total harvest. When calculated as a proportion of ducks bagged, this represents a rate of 6.6 ducks crippled for every 10 ducks bagged*.

* Crippling loss rates are expressed as a percentage of the total kill, not of the bag limit, therefore the rate must be adjusted to provide a rate per bag limit. For a bag limit of 10 and a crippling rate of 40%, the losses per bag are calculated as 6.6 ducks (Norton & Thomas 1994).

Researchers examining a range of crippling studies concluded that the crippling rate reported by Neiman et al (1987) was the "best documented and most realistic value available" (Norton & Thomas 1994).Even this only covers those birds which are wounded so badly that they are immediately downed - many more birds will be injured but will fly on.

Computer simulation

An estimate of wounding rates has been calculated using a computer model of which simulated the effects of a hunter shooting at a duck. Unlike the previous methods discussed, this accounts for all wounding, not just crippled ducks that are downed but not retrieved.

The study analysed hunters´ hit rates to determine the level of wounding and calculated that a shooter who takes on average 6 shots to kill a bird (a conservative estimate compared to published studies) would wound between 60 and 120 ducks for every 100 bagged. Overall the study concluded that most competent shooters will wound at least one duck for every duck bagged (Russell 1994a, b).

What is the rate of crippling and wounding caused by duck shooting? Studies indicate that between 6.6 and 10 ducks are crippled or wounded for every 10 ducks that are bagged (shot and retrieved by the hunter).

Comments from RSPCA Inspectors present at the 1994 Victorian duck season opening:

* It is not possible for relevant government departments or the police to enforce existing legislation relating to duck shooting.
* There were vast areas of the state where shooting goes on without inspection.
* Shooting commenced before conditions allowed accurate identification of species.
* In unmonitored areas shooting commenced up to 40 minutes before the allotted time.
* Many shots were fired at extreme range where accurate species identification and the chance of a clean kill were highly unlikely.
* Observations were made of ducks being wounded but not brought down.
* A number of shooters were observed to continue shooting rather than following-up and recovering downed birds.
* An estimated 95% of shots fired did not meet their target and would have been deposited in the water and on dry land. In states where lead shot is still used this represents a serious pollution risk.
* Other species of birds were seen to be frightened or distressed by the shooting. Birds can become exhausted after flying around for hours and have difficulty maintaining height.

Where is it legal?

Recreational duck hunting is permitted in South Australia, Tasmania, Victoria and the Northern Territory. Only in the ACT, Queensland, New South Wales and Western Australia is it illegal to hunt ducks for sport. Ducks can be shot in NSW and WA under licence when they are thought to be causing damage to crops, dams or waterways.

The ban in NSW was introduced in 1995 following a recommendation from the Animal Welfare Advisory Committee which concluded that "the level of pain and suffering through cruelty in duck hunting is unreasonably high and that it is unnecessary and unjustifiable in circumstances where the activity is undertaken to satisfy a sporting urge".

It is time that those states where duck hunting is still permitted took the issue of cruelty seriously and followed the lead of NSW and WA in banning this cruel ‘sport´.

Duck hunting legislation in Australia:

ACT - The ACT is a wildlife refuge and all native waterfowl are protected

NSW - Recreational duck hunting was banned in 1995. Shooting is still permitted for ducks that cause, or have the potential to cause, damage to crops.

NT - Recreational duck hunting is permitted.

SA - Recreational duck hunting is permitted.

TAS - Recreational duck hunting is permitted.

VIC - Recreational duck hunting is permitted.

WA - Recreational duck hunting was banned in 1990. Shooting is still permitted on properties where ducks are causing damage to dams or waterways.

How many ducks are shot?

No overall figure for the number of ducks shot is available, however an estimate can be made of the number shot and bagged (retrieved by the hunter).

The Victorian Department of Natural Resources and Environment calculate seasonal duck kills from the number of active duck hunters and bag limits each year.

In the period 1987-97 the average number of ducks killed per year was estimated at 772,000.

If this 10-year estimate is extrapolated to account for the 4,250 licensed duck hunters outside Victoria, the number of ducks shot and bagged by duck hunters each year across Australia is over 900,000.

How many ducks are crippled or wounded?

It is estimated that between 594,000 and 900,000 ducks are crippled or wounded every year as a result of duck hunting activities. In addition, approximately 900,000 ducks are killed outright.

What species and how many ducks can be shot?

There are ten different species of native duck that can be hunted in Australia (Table 1), although only two of these species (Pacific black duck and grey teal) can be shot in every state where duck hunting is still permitted. Each state sets its own laws to control which species can be shot and which species are protected, as well as setting limits (known as bag limits) on the maximum number of birds that can be shot and retrieved by a single hunter on any one day (Table 2).

An annual survey of duck populations in Eastern Australia is carried out jointly by NSW, Victoria, SA and CSIRO Wildlife and Ecology. The survey assesses the possible impact of hunters and the effects of available wetland habitat on waterbird populations. The results of this survey are used to assess which species will be included in the open season and what bag limits will be set.

Waterfowl Identification Test

The Waterfowl Identification Test (WIT) examines shooters on their ability to recognise individual game bird species. Since its introduction in a number of states there has been a reduction in the recorded shooting of protected birds during the duck hunting season, but this is also attributable to the change in firearms legislation and a drop in hunter numbers. The use of identification testing is no guarantee that protected species will not be shot. In the Northern Territory there is no identification test and little is know about what species are taken since records are not collected and hunting is so difficult to police.



What can you do to help the RSPCA kill the sport of Duck Hunting?

Vote now on our online poll to register your opposition to duck hunting.

Write or email the Hon. David Llewellyn, Minister for Primary Industries and Water
1st Floor, Franklin Square Offices, Hobart Tas 7000

Email: david.llewellyn@parliament.tas.gov.au [/QUOTE]


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Re: Please vote in anti-duck hunting poll! (AUS forum) [Re: NitroX]
      #67145 - 15/12/06 11:59 PM

Bloody liars! I just sent a copy of the poll before the 'tampering', and the fraudulent final results, with an explanation, by e-mail to Llewellyn's ministerial advisor, urging him to reject the poll results if they are tabled during the Tasmanian parliamentary debate. Probably be 'round-filed', but at least I tried.....

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Re: Please vote in anti-duck hunting poll! (AUS forum) [Re: Marrakai]
      #67148 - 16/12/06 12:26 AM

Stranger things have happened when it comes to animal libbers RSPCA ect.
I checked on the poll just about every day and the duck hunters were polling at about 75% then all of a sudden out of the blue the poll has the libbers running at 70+% with numbers that are unbelievable.
Its their site and their poll so they can distort the figures to their advantage regardless of the true facts.
Why does this not surprise me.
Al

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