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325 wsm
      #34702 - 15/07/05 08:39 PM

dose any one know how good the new 325 wsm in on medium game and its overall preformance

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Re: 325 wsm [Re: 303]
      #34706 - 16/07/05 04:38 AM

I don't have direct experience with it but from what I have read I believe it definitely has potential.

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Re: 325 wsm [Re: 303]
      #34708 - 16/07/05 07:07 AM


Wouldn't it be very similar in performance to the 8mm Rem Mag ?

or one of the 8mm European Rounds ?

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Re: 325 wsm [Re: 500Nitro]
      #34715 - 16/07/05 09:24 AM

Not quite as much velocity as the 8mm Rem Mag. Comparable to the difference between the 7mm STW and the 7mm WSM.

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Re: 325 wsm [Re: 303]
      #34772 - 17/07/05 03:42 PM

On paper it appears to be an excellent choice for plains game, elk, and moose.

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Re: 325 wsm [Re: luv2safari]
      #34781 - 18/07/05 04:49 AM

It sounds like a decent round from what I have read. We used the 8mm Rem. Mag for a few years off and on for elk. With good bullets it was great. Sadly it went down the road several years ago. I think I will replace it with an 8WSM as soon as funds allow.

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Re: 325 wsm [Re: Taos]
      #34798 - 18/07/05 12:26 PM

I hope the .325 WSM takes off and becomes established. Getting a good USA 8mm round established would lead to more popularity and bullet selection for other 8mm cartridges.



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Re: 325 wsm [Re: NitroX]
      #34802 - 18/07/05 01:26 PM

I think the 325 WSM was dead at birth and the reason being the 300 WSM....in other words same deal as 8mm Rem and 300 Win.

The problem with 8mm bore size is that it is not enough bigger than 30 to offset the loss of all 30 calibre bullets. In addition the 338 Win and 375 H&H totally dominate the over 30 calibre area (excluding lever guns).

The 338/06 and 35 Whelen get some play time but that is only because of easy conversion from 270s or 30/06s. But people won't buy new rifles in those calibres. Although it would have been interesting to see how the 35 Whelen would have gone if it had been in the Model 70 instead of Rem 700 and ditto for the 338/06 if it had been in Model 70 and not Weatherby Ultra Light.

Weatherby producing a rifle and ammo for the 38/06 is an interesting exercise in marketing and what these people do. I could be wrong but I reckon the profile of a 338/06 man who is prepared to spend above Model 70/Ruger/Rem 700 money to have a 338/06 is not a Weatherby buyer.

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Re: 325 wsm [Re: Mike_McGuire]
      #34810 - 18/07/05 04:50 PM

Mike, the .35 Whelen was also available in the Ruger 77. I don't know if they sold out fast or if they didn't make very many because when I tried to order one they were no longer available.

It seems as though the average consumer talks about buying the short magnums, but they don't tend to actually spend their money on them. I think most of those short magnum cartridges Winchester has introduced will end up as marketing mistakes, much the same as Remington's 8mm magnum did. The shops will possibly still have factory ammunition for it in a few years, but probably only because Winchester and other companies require that some of the ammunition a shop purchases for retail sale be in their new calibres; ie, dealer sells a ton of .30/06 ammo every month, and the makers won't sell the dealer .30/06 ammo unless he also buys some of their worthless inventory as well.

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Re: 325 wsm [Re: Mike_McGuire]
      #35192 - 29/07/05 11:05 AM

I would like to have one of these guns, it seems ideal for elk hunting. The only problem I forsee is not being able to find ammo anywhere even now, much less in five years when this short-mag thing cools down.

Available in such a small rifle it would be a breeze to carry. Although you may need to carry a glass of milk around with you to put your teeth in after you shot it...

I guess I'll just stick to the 338 winnie, I have been watching the 325wsm for a while though.

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Re: 325 wsm [Re: NitroSteel]
      #65834 - 14/11/06 05:22 AM

I know that it has been proven that the shorter the powder column, the better the round seems to do, but for the life of me, I just cannot see what the fuss is about...we got the WSM and the WSSM sometimes in the same caliber, what the heck...and the 325 is as useful as tits on a boar hog...what can it do that the 338 cannot or the 300 Man with heavy bullets or the 375 H&H....they keep having to bring out new calibers to prompt buyers into buying guns instead of just making the guns better and the ammo better...just a passing thing, like the RUM's , what do they really do better except more velocity and recoil...not much else...

Get a good 338 and forget the 325...if you cannot carry your rifle in elk country, time to hunt the flat land or give it up..

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Re: 325 wsm [Re: Tightloop]
      #65840 - 14/11/06 06:45 AM

I think the 325 WSM appeal is primarily similar performance as the 338 WM with less recoil and a shorter handier action and rifle.

I actually have a 300m WSM and enjoy it more than my 300 WM. Shorter, more compact, and handier thru brush.For those who don't like the 338 the 325 WSM may be an ??alternative. In the meantime I am not looking to sell my all weather 338 WM.The weight is lighter than most 338's with more recoil but its worth it.

I agree that alot of the "new" calibers are ridiculous. Give me better bullet performance and other shooting technology instead.

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Edited by hoppdoc (14/11/06 06:47 AM)

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Re: 325 wsm [Re: hoppdoc]
      #65844 - 14/11/06 09:19 AM

You've got guys like boddington who drag a different caliber to the woods each time he goes hunting for anything...the mfg's are all over him to take one of the latest and greatests...and he does...

Talked to him at the SHOT show and he said he likes the 300H&H and the 375H&H and the 270 win as well as anything out there...well the youngest one in that group is the 270... What does that tell you?

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Re: 325 wsm [Re: Tightloop]
      #65852 - 14/11/06 11:09 AM

I think the real problem is that gun makers are trying to market new gun calibers to the same group of existing sportsmen that ALREADY HAS RIFLES that work very effectively on the game hunted.New calibers=wasted effort.

Manufacturors would be better off developing better shooting tech with existing calibers than to spit out a new caliber every month. There is still room for tech improvements in stocks, recoil management, and other areas.

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Re: 325 wsm [Re: hoppdoc]
      #65863 - 14/11/06 01:28 PM

I agree, but can they stay in busines that way...?

They have equated new calibers with an increase in sales..they should do what Rem did and bring out a classic caliber each year...even some Erurpean stuff like 9.3x62 or 8x57 they would sell more of those than some trumped up 332.25 Super Short Almost Dispappearing Whiffin Poof Mag..

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Re: 325 wsm [Re: 303]
      #66622 - 09/12/06 02:57 AM

My favorite local country gun store sells a lot of firearms, and the owner recently told me that as of 2006, the 325 WSM has emerged as his biggest-selling elk-oriented rifle chambering. Mostly he deals in Kimbers and Browning A-Bolts in that caliber. From what I hear, results on elk has been very good, approximating the performance of a 300 Win. Mag. or 338 Win. Mag. The only issue I've heard about that's gotten in the way of complete satisfaction has been bullet performance, with certain projectiles, such as the Nosler AccuBond, coming apart on occasion.

I've found that any good elk caliber works very well on all sizes of African plainsgame, so in my view the 325 WSM should be ideal for that purpose, just as long as you feed it good bullets.

One of my firneds shot a big grizzly up in Alaska with a Kimber in 325 WSM, and that bear dropped hard right in his tracks and didn't go anywhere.

If I latch onto a 325, and I just might, I'm going with a Kimber 8400 Montana. It's the perfect rifle for any WSM............

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Re: 325 wsm [Re: allenday]
      #66626 - 09/12/06 04:12 AM

That is what is great about the US...if you don't like chocolate, you can get vanilla or strawberry...LOL

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Re: 325 wsm [Re: Tightloop]
      #66642 - 09/12/06 09:29 AM



Get a good 338 and forget the 325...if you cannot carry your rifle in elk country, time to hunt the flat land or give it up..



T-loop,

How old are you? Have you ever been shot up or busted up sometime in your life? Will you ever grow old?

There are places for smaller, lighter rifles that have a bit of POP to them, and you'll get to a point where they make a big difference in getting up and down mountains. They forestall having to "give it up". And, the 338 is one of my alltime favorites, by the way, as is the 300 H&H and 375 H&H.

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Re: 325 wsm [Re: luv2safari]
      #66651 - 09/12/06 12:15 PM

Born in '46...yes, have some physical problems now, but still manage to get it done with what is in the vault..mostly, the 35 Whelen, 300 H&H and the 375 H&H...but have a few others too...am in pretty good shape for the shape I am in...LOL...can't do the up and more up of sheep hunting and some elk trips, but can still hang with the rest on mostly flat land..sorry if I come across as insensitive, but I believe that political correctness has gone too far and prefer to say what I mean and try to mean what I say...pretty plain spoken and blunt...again sorry if it offends, I just think you should call a spade a spade and not a garden tool... :-)

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Re: 325 wsm [Re: Tightloop]
      #66657 - 09/12/06 02:09 PM

Loop,

I hear you there. My elk hunt this year kicked my ass! I was carrying a 10 pound rifle w/scope... I may opt for my 6 3/4 pound 35 Whalen next year. A nice light 325 may replace it...........NAHHHH! The Whalen stays. I'll just add the 325 to the safe. Also, you won't find any PC here. This is a tell it like it is site, and great for it!

(I'm a year younger than you)

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Re: 325 wsm [Re: luv2safari]
      #66673 - 09/12/06 09:14 PM

I think that if you don't have a 338WM and are looking for an short handy elk rifle the 325 WM should work as a dandy
338 substitute with less recoil--. Got two 338's so I am not looking to buy one.

What I think it won't do is the long range shots the long range 338 lapua or 338-378 Wby may be capable of.

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Edited by hoppdoc (09/12/06 09:16 PM)

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Re: 325 wsm [Re: hoppdoc]
      #66677 - 10/12/06 12:07 AM


hopdoc

I'll guarantee it "won't do is the long range shots the long range 338 lapua or 338-378 Wby may be capable of."

Jees, next we'll have people shooting elk at 1000 yards !

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Re: 325 wsm [Re: 500Nitro]
      #66693 - 10/12/06 05:14 AM

I am sure that the 325 WSM would be perfectly adequate to 300 yds.Past that no one should be shooting unless conditions are great and they really feel they can make the shot from previous experience/practice.

I feel that shooting past 300m is possible but feel 450 yds or 50% further is a reasonable limit. Past that your bullet starts falling like a rock ever 50 yards traveled and your trying to hit a 24"chest with a 8 inch certain kill zone.A rifle shooting 2" at 100 would shoot a 9" circle at 450 yds. I suggest a 1-1.25" grouper at 100 yds to qualify for accuracy for long range elk.Along with accuracy you need penetration and the energy to do that. A 338-378 or Lapua would seem to fulfill that criteria.

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Re: 325 wsm [Re: hoppdoc]
      #66723 - 10/12/06 04:30 PM

The 325WSM as well as several cartridges, have been introduced mearly to increase new rifle sales.

It is the age old new marketering trick. That is why cars have to look different every year, and radically different every few years...

However just looking at its ballistics, I feel it would be an excellent medium bore cartridge.

There in lies the problem... GOOD medium cartridges have traditionaly not done well over a period of time.

IMHO medium bore cartridges are some of the best hunting calibers for the North American hunter.
[Africa as well].

Rounds like the 325 WSM, 358 Win, 350 Rem Mag [owned one, liked it], 35 Whelen, 338-06, 9,3x57, 9,3x62, 9,3x74R,[use one now, it is a great hunting round] and the great old ones like the 318 Westley Richards, 333 Jeffery, 400/350, etc. are great killers.

With good bullets they will get the job done, and done very well.

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Re: 325 wsm [Re: NE450No2]
      #66726 - 10/12/06 04:51 PM


hopdoc

One factor not taken into account - shooter's think they can shoot more accurately at a longer distance than they actually can on a regular basis.
They do it once and that is what they can do.

A 338 Lapua has just as many trajectory problems as other guns and more so further out.


NE450No2
The 325WSM as well as several cartridges, have been introduced mearly to increase new rifle sales.

You are 100% correct - that's all the WSM, WSSM's were for.

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