Home | Ezine | Forums | Links | Contact
NitroExpress.com: BEST SCOPE /STOCK FIT on a Double Rifle

View recent messages : 24 hours | 48 hours | 7 days | 14 days | 30 days | 60 days | More Smilies


*** Enjoy NitroExpress.com? Participate and join in. ***
You are not logged in. [Login] Main Index · Search · Active Topics
New user · Who's Online · FAQ · Calendar

Double Rifles, Single Shots & Combinations >> Double Rifles
Previous topic Previous   View all topics Index   Next topic Next   Threaded Mode Threaded  

Pages: 1
hoppdoc
.400 member


Reged: 02/03/06
Posts: 1791
Loc: Southeastern USA
BEST SCOPE /STOCK FIT on a Double Rifle
      #66513 - 07/12/06 01:55 PM

Ignorant question---

How does Chapuis of other DR makers design the stock for a Double that may also be scoped?

Do they use a lower comb height for best open sighted fit or do they compromise on this so that no marked head bobbing is needed to find the best scope picture.

It would seem relativelty hard to design a decent stock fit when the open sight plane is ~1.5 inches below the sight plane of a scope.

Am I off base or cofused?

Thanks to forum members for any input here.

--------------------
An armed man is a citizen of his country, an unarmed man just a subject.

Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
Chasseur
.375 member


Reged: 18/11/03
Posts: 771
Loc: Hunting classic Indian game!
Re: BEST SCOPE /STOCK FIT on a Double Rifle [Re: hoppdoc]
      #66521 - 07/12/06 03:25 PM

Good question.

My limited knowledge is with Chapuis here, so my comments may have limited utitlity for Merkel and others. In short, if you buy a "standard" scoped DR from Chapuis, Merkel, etc. it will have the drop at comb for iron sights, NOT the scope. For example on my 9.3 Chapuis I had to add a leather comb raiser so the scope comes up "naturally" rather than me having to raise my head off the stock:



Now if you were to order a "made to measure" rifle from Chapuis or other makers they could make the stock fit for you with the scope that you asked them to mount on it. I know with Chapuis you can specify measurements of wood, and so this is theretically possible. But in all honesty in all the driven hunts I've been on in Europe where both O/U and SxS DRs are used often with types of holosights, most of the guys used similar comb raising devises so getting this done does not seem to be that common. Again, I could be wrong here.

--------------------
In regards to action he should devote himself to hunting...
-Machiavelli



Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
NE450No2
.375 member


Reged: 10/01/03
Posts: 942
Re: BEST SCOPE /STOCK FIT on a Double Rifle [Re: Chasseur]
      #66524 - 07/12/06 04:23 PM

The stock on my 9,3 Chapuis UGEX, no cheekpiece, the factory stock is perfect for a scope in the Chapuis pivot mounts. I have to cheek the stock hard to use the iron sights.
Works perfect for me.

Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
Chasseur
.375 member


Reged: 18/11/03
Posts: 771
Loc: Hunting classic Indian game!
Re: BEST SCOPE /STOCK FIT on a Double Rifle [Re: NE450No2]
      #66531 - 07/12/06 07:32 PM

Tony,

Interesting. When yours was made/ordered was it ordered with the scope done "in house" by Chapuis?

Just curious. I put the scope on mine "after sale".

Thanks!

--------------------
In regards to action he should devote himself to hunting...
-Machiavelli



Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
4seventy
Sponsor


Reged: 07/05/03
Posts: 2210
Loc: Queensland Australia
Re: BEST SCOPE /STOCK FIT on a Double Rifle [Re: hoppdoc]
      #66535 - 07/12/06 10:08 PM

Quote:

It would seem relativelty hard to design a decent stock fit when the open sight plane is ~1.5 inches below the sight plane of a scope.





If a double has a scope fitted in QD mounts and the intention is to shoot it with either the open sights or with the scope, the rifle should be stocked for the open sights IMO.
High combs meant for scope shooting often cause shots to go too high when using the open sights.

Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
Pilgrim
.275 member


Reged: 25/05/04
Posts: 57
Loc: Washington State, USA
Re: BEST SCOPE /STOCK FIT on a Double Rifle [Re: 4seventy]
      #66554 - 08/12/06 05:38 AM

I had to have the stock "cheek piece" (even if there isn't one ) trimmed on my Chapuis (UGEX). It was too low for natural scope use and too high for open sights. It was a lousy compromise for me. I shot it for a while as delivered, but the pain in my cheek bone when using open sights quickly convinced me to go find a pro to trim it down. Like 450No.2 I'm using a lace on pad that I can quickly remove if need be. Right now my problem is either a bum scope, or a bum trigger man behind the stock. When I first got it, 2 ea. lefts and rights (S&B factory) would print into < 1" @ 100 yds, benchrested. Right now it appears to print pretty much anyplace (same ammo) in an 8" circle @ 100 yds. I'm going to head out to the range again in the next few days and shoot it with scope, and without scope, and perhaps with a second scope to try and figure out what is going on.

The EAW swing mounts were delivered with the rifle. The rifle has "blanks" in the rib for the EAW bases (at least the UGEX has, I can't speak to the larger framed rifles), so putting a scope on the rifle is not a major problem. Pilgrim

Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
4seventy
Sponsor


Reged: 07/05/03
Posts: 2210
Loc: Queensland Australia
Re: BEST SCOPE /STOCK FIT on a Double Rifle [Re: Pilgrim]
      #66570 - 08/12/06 09:48 AM

Quote:

I'm going to head out to the range again in the next few days and shoot it with scope, and without scope, and perhaps with a second scope to try and figure out what is going on.



Pilgrim,
Please let us know how this turns out.

My own experience with the EAW swing mount is that they often need to be fine tuned to work properly.
Once set up correctly they can work very well.

Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
NE450No2
.375 member


Reged: 10/01/03
Posts: 942
Re: BEST SCOPE /STOCK FIT on a Double Rifle [Re: 4seventy]
      #66588 - 08/12/06 01:07 PM

My Chapuis is factory stock, I mounted the scope on it after the sale. The leather "thing" I have on the stock is a buttstock shell carrier from Murray leather. It does not raise the comb of the stock any more than just the thickness of the leather, ie very little.

Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
Pilgrim
.275 member


Reged: 25/05/04
Posts: 57
Loc: Washington State, USA
Re: BEST SCOPE /STOCK FIT on a Double Rifle [Re: NE450No2]
      #66590 - 08/12/06 01:10 PM

4seventy - Will do. I may be able to get out tomorrow if the weather cooperates. I'm a wuss for sure. When it's below freezing and a wind is blowing, it's just miserable, at least for me it is. I shoot for fun & enjoyment, so.........Pilgrim

Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
Pages: 1


Previous topic Previous   View all topics Index   Next topic Next   Threaded Mode Threaded  

Extra information
1 registered and 155 anonymous users are browsing this forum.

Moderator:  CptCurl 

Print Topic

Forum Permissions
      You cannot start new topics
      You cannot reply to topics
      HTML is disabled
      UBBCode is enabled

Rating:
Topic views: 2935

Rate this topic

Jump to

Contact Us NitroExpress.com

Powered by UBB.threads™ 6.5.5


Home | Ezine | Forums | Links | Contact


Copyright 2003 to 2011 - all rights reserved