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Harry93x72r
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loading data for 9.3x72r
      #66068 - 18/11/06 10:41 AM

I am new to this website and the drilling world. This site seems to be the most informed I have found. I was planning on loading some 9.3x72r with 40 grans of reloader 15 and 196 grain .364 bullet. Is there any one out there with data or tried something like this load. I have alot of other questions, but I want to shoot this gun. What incredible craftmanship. I have one 16 x 9.3x72 cape and one 16x16 9.3x72r and one 16x16 8x57 jrs.
Thanks for the help


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Re: loading data for 9.3x72r [Re: Harry93x72r]
      #66070 - 18/11/06 12:03 PM

Harry,

I have no answer to your question, but I do want to chime in to welcome you to NitroExpress.com.

This is the foremost community of shooters on the web. Your impression is correct.

Best regards,
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Re: loading data for 9.3x72r [Re: Harry93x72r]
      #66079 - 18/11/06 03:06 PM

Harry,

IMR 30-31 is an excellent powder for the 9,3X72R. With the standard .364 193gr bullet, a starting load of 40gr is a good place to begin.

Welcome, by the way!

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Re: loading data for 9.3x72r [Re: luv2safari]
      #66372 - 05/12/06 12:27 PM

High Harry. I may be able to help some. This first list is from this website the full string is very interesting. These loads are European but will give you and idea.
Here is some loading data for the 9,3x72R
Hope it’s of use for you, because it reflects European reloading stuff.

All cases are RWS. Some bullets are .366 diameter but the load is CIP proofed for it. (2000 bar hmp) (29,000psi)

bullet brand weight powder brand weight primer cart length velocity

TMF Delsing 193gr N540 Vithtavuori 53gr WLR 3,386" 2210 ft/s
TMF RWS 193gr N540 Vihtavuori 53gr WLR 3,362" 2220 ft/s
TMF RWS 193gr N140 Vihtavuori 46gr HP1225 3,362" 1970 ft/s
TMF RWS 193gr SR4759 Dupont 29,5gr HP1225 3,362" 1985 ft/s
TMF RWS 193gr IMR3031 Dupont 37gr HP1225 3,362" 1970 ft/s
TMF RWS 193gr JSPNo.1 Rottweil 65gr RWS5341 3,362" 1475 ft/s
Vulkan Norma 231gr N550 Vihtavuori 52,5gr RWS5341 3,504" 1945 ft/s
TMR Delsing 231gr N550 Vihtavuori 53gr CCI200 3,406" 2065 ft/s
KS RWS 247gr N550 Vihtavuori 49,5gr CCI200 3,602" 1910 ft/s
TMR Delsing 250gr N550 Vihtavuori 51,5gr CCI200 3,425" 1980 ft/s
TR Sako 256gr N550 Vihtavuori 51gr CCI200 3,551" 1950 ft/s
TMF RWS 193gr R902 Rottweil 45gr 96 3,358" 2165 ft/s (max load)
TMF RWS 193gr R907 Rottweil 51gr 96 3,358" 2,165 ft/s (max load)

Before 1945 there was a BP load available: (3,2 grammBP/49gr) (227gr bullet / 1450 ft/s)
as well as Nitro loads:
(2,5 gram R5 / 29gr) (193gr. / 2015 ft/s)
(2,9 gram R5 / 45gr) (200 gr. / 2250 ft/s) fired in weapons which are proofed for

In the Oct 2003 issue of "The Accurate Rifle" the following loads were published with a detailed article on the 9.3x72R. Back issues are available from them at 860-645-8776.

These are from “The Accurate Rifle” magazine, issue vol6 #9, Oct. 2003.

Powder Charge Bullet Velocity Group Size
IMR 3031 41.0gr RWS 200gr N/A 1”
N-201 44.5gr RWS 200gr N/A 1”
N-201 45.5gr RWS 200gr N/A 1 3/16”
IMR 3031 32.0gr Speer 250 1964 1 ¼”
IMR 3031 30.0gr Cast 251 F.N. N/A 2 ¾”
IMR 3031 39.0gr RWS 200 2227 3 1/8”
H-4895 39.0gr RWS 200 2165 2 5/8”
IMR 4064 40.0 RWS 200 2227 3 1/8”
IMR 3031 35.0gr Norma 232 1839 2 ¾”
IMR 3031 38.0gr Speer 250 2073 2 7/8”
H-4895 38.0gr Speer 250 2047 2 5/8”
IMR 4064 40.0gr Speer 250 2094 2”
IMR 3031 34.0gr Speer 270 1873 3”
H-4895 35.0gr Speer 270 1746 2 1/8”
IMR 4064 37.0gr Speer 270 1861 2”
IMR 3031 29.0gr Norma 286 1525 2 3/8”
H-4895 33.0gr Norma 286 1742 3 3/8”
IMR 4064 34.0gr Norma 286 1704 2 3/8”
IMR 3031 36.0gr RWS 200 2010 1 ½”
H-4895 34.0gr RWS 200 1976 1 ¼”
IMR 4895 36.0gr RWS 200 1865 2 3/8”
IMR 4064 38.0gr RWS 200 2771 5/8”


Sorry for the jumble but I copied from Word files I made up. No primer is given. The article contains some important information about the loads overall. The standard bullet is 193 grains. I bought two boxes of S&B ammo from Joe Martinelli on the drilling hotline. Just google drilling hotline and take a look.
I hope this helps.
Frank


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Re: loading data for 9.3x72r [Re: CapeGunner]
      #66386 - 05/12/06 09:01 PM

Just to add a bit to this thread... I just returned yesterday from a trip to Ukraine. Buring my last days in Kiev I stopped by a sporting goods store that had several drillings. HIGH END ones with drop dead georgous wood. The best was 68,000 rph(Hyrivna)roughly $15,000. I'm sure that if it were on this side of the pond it'd be in the $25,000 range.
But I also saw S&B ammo for the 9.3X72R for 19.00 rph, approx. $4.80 USD. The 9.3X74R was about$7.50!!!!I think I'm going to see how much ammo I'm allowed to bring back in my luggage next time!

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Re: loading data for 9.3x72r [Re: AkMike]
      #66496 - 07/12/06 06:38 AM

Sorry guys

I am not that forum savy so bare with me. I jus wrote a long post reply and it disapeared so now I pissed of. But what it said in a nut shell was thanks a whole bunch for the info.
I will write more when I calm down. Its probably in cyber space some were.


Thanks again for the info and I have a ton more questions.

Harry


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Re: loading data for 9.3x72r [Re: Harry93x72r]
      #66506 - 07/12/06 11:47 AM

Don't ya just hate it when that happens?

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Re: loading data for 9.3x72r [Re: AkMike]
      #66551 - 08/12/06 04:16 AM

Hallo Harry,

I shoot the 9,3x72R in a Burgsmüller Hammer-Drilling from 1922 very well.
My favorit load is 42gr. of Rottweil R902 in the Sellier&Bellot case with the 193gr. Sellier&Bellot Flatnose-buillet. The Vo is around 1860ft./sec with a 26,75" barell. Its a fabolous load for row-deers. Sellier&Bellot cases have a little bit lesser volume than the RWS, so don´t use the max. loadingdatas for RWS-cases. Use soft standart-primers in Hammer-drillings. CCI200 are to hard. Federal Benchrests, Sellier&Bellot LR, or Hirtenberger 1225 are the better choise.
The 9,3x72R-ballistics you can compaire with the .30-30WCF with havy buillets or the .375Win., alias .38-55Win. The games which you can took with the 9,3x72R are the same, than that one with the others. Row-deer, white-tail and black-tail. The max. range for the 9,3 is 140yards. Here in Germany it is forbitten to use the 9,3 to larger games than row-deers.
My great-grandfather also shot wildboars and deers in the 1930´s with the 9,3x72R.

Two years ago I bought a fine ferlacher side-by-side Combination in 16gage and 9,3x72R with hammers and Lefauxeau-Log. Next year I´ll let fixed it by a gunsmith.

But be caution, that you only use loads with smokeless powder in guns which are proofed for that. A lot of of guns are just proofed for black-powder. It´s the same like your .45-70 guns in the States.

regards
Manolito


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Re: loading data for 9.3x72r [Re: Harry93x72r]
      #116565 - 09/10/08 07:15 PM

Excuse me please but pulling up this old thread. Got new data last weekend:

Bullet__Bullet____Powder___________________weight__Muzzle____max.weight_Muzzle___Muzzle
grs_________________________________________grs_____m/s________grs______m/s______ft/s

193_____RWS TMF___N540_______________________________________53,0_____675______2215
193_____RWS TMF___N540_______________________________________46,0_____605______1985
193_____S&B SP____LOVEX S060-02 = 2015BR____38,5____592________47,8_____684______2244
193_____S&B SP____LOVEX S073-05 = 2230_________________________37,0_____620______2034
193_____S&B SP____LOVEX S070-02 = 4350_________________________57,1_____585______1919
247_____RWS KS____N550________________________________________49,4_____581______1906

Edited by josef_frey (09/10/08 07:35 PM)


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