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hoppdoc
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BEST DG SCOPE FOR A 416 BOLT
#65882 - 14/11/06 11:46 PM

I did a search and it has been over 2 years since this was discussed.

What is the forums advise on the best scope for a 416 Rigby?
Shots will be paken out to 250 yds on non dangerous game and when DG is present absolute reliability is required.

What variable power suggested? Illuminated?
What brand is preferred?

Thanks to all for any input.

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Re: BEST DG SCOPE FOR A 416 BOLT [Re: hoppdoc]
#65883 - 15/11/06 12:49 AM

whatever has the longest eye relief

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Re: BEST DG SCOPE FOR A 416 BOLT [Re: hoppdoc]
#65884 - 15/11/06 02:00 AM

1.25-4x24 Swarovski, non illuminated retiticle, 4A

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Re: BEST DG SCOPE FOR A 416 BOLT [Re: hoppdoc]
#65885 - 15/11/06 02:00 AM

I have a Leupold VX-III 1.5-5x on my 416 Rem. Mag., and I've found it a tough scope to beat. It's certainly compatible with 250 yd. shots, and at the low end of the scale it's ideal for spitting-distance shots as well. Plus it's an extremely tough and reliable scope with very generous eye-relief.

As an alternative, you might look at the Leupold 1.75-6x VX-III, which offers a larger from objective lense and a bit more magnification. I have one of the those on my 375 H&H, and it's been superb.........

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Re: BEST DG SCOPE FOR A 416 BOLT [Re: allenday]
#65895 - 15/11/06 04:56 AM

I like Allan's choices, especially the 1.5x5. If you think you might use it on lion or leopard the the Leupolds fall short in low light situations, especially the 1.5x5, and a better choice would be the S&B or Swarovski 1.25x4x30mm but with the illuminated reticle.

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Re: BEST DG SCOPE FOR A 416 BOLT [Re: hoppdoc]
#65903 - 15/11/06 09:16 AM

I use a Zeiss ZM 1,25 - 4 x 24 since twelve years with best possible results on my .416 Rigby. It's just the best riflescope I know for an African rifle. Sad to say they are nomore produced today. I usually carry my rifle with the scope on 1,25 x which allows to shoot with both eyes open. In the case of a longer shot there is always time to switch to 4 x which is all you need in Africa. The low-light performance of this scope is excellent, if you can see the target with your naked eyes, you will see it in that scope. I never had any problems whatsoever with this riflescope and will happily hunt the rest of my life with it.

Wicked good hunting !

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Re: BEST DG SCOPE FOR A 416 BOLT [Re: Kalunga]
#65991 - 17/11/06 09:07 AM

1.25-4x24 Swarovski, non illuminated retiticle, 4A

Absolutely right - dont f**k about with Christmas tree lights in it - your not shooting driven boar

Get Holland mounts from Ron Wharton so you can use the (well practised with) open sights on yr rifle AND get him to make ano set so you can mount yr (and swap at will and maintain zero) Swarovski 3-12 *50, non illuminated , 4a

Are you really usinf=g a 416 to 250 yards - ever thought 375???

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Re: BEST DG SCOPE FOR A 416 BOLT [Re: Hollis500]
#66019 - 17/11/06 05:48 PM

My choice would be the Schmidt&Bender 1.1-4 with no 4 reticle Mag eye relief or the Nickel Magnum 1.5-6x30 with no 4 reticle.
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Re: BEST DG SCOPE FOR A 416 BOLT [Re: ozhunter]
#66029 - 18/11/06 02:09 AM

You CAN in fact get the old Zeiss Diavari 1.25-4x24 as they've started to produce them once more as an alternative to the more expensive Victory Variopoint sight. (They have changed a little bit, like overall lenght I think.) It is also still with the "old" eye relief of 8cm..

I myself have both binoculars and a riflesope of Zeiss make, and they are magnificent, however.... I WOULDN'T put one on a heavy recoiling rifle because of the eye-relief: 8cm might be enough, but the day you forget about it or use an akward position you'll probably catch a blue eye..

The Leupold are a very compact and of excellent quality. What I like best about the L is the looong eye-relief. It isn't a sight for use at night, but who would do night hunting with a 416? For general use a 1.5-5x20 Leupold VXIII is pretty hard to beat! If however you are thinking of hunting lion at bait or such, I'd go for the zeiss variopoint, but they cost a premium...

You'll all in all probably be just as happy with the Leupold on your rifle!

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Re: BEST DG SCOPE FOR A 416 BOLT [Re: Bonde]
#66032 - 18/11/06 02:19 AM

It surprises me that no one has mentioned Swarovski scopes in this thread...... by far the finest optics that I have ever used. scopes, binnos, and spotting scopes incredibly clear glass and very well built !

they may be a little more spendy than the other scopes mentioned here, but when you have the opportunity to look through them, you soon see that they are worth the extra dough!

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Re: BEST DG SCOPE FOR A 416 BOLT [Re: Double_Trouble]
#66037 - 18/11/06 03:10 AM

It surprises me that no one has mentioned Swarovski scopes in this thread......

DT, are you blind?

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Re: BEST DG SCOPE FOR A 416 BOLT [Re: hoppdoc]
#66038 - 18/11/06 03:18 AM

I think you would be well suited with a Schmidt & Bender Zenith 1.1–4 x 24 (or the equivulent 1.25-4 Swarovski, as long as you stick to the newer ones with 90mm of eye relief). The eye relief on the S&B Zenith is 3.7 inches, which is more than enough IMO.

I'd choose the S&B #7 "Flashdot" reticle (which is what I bought last spring).

I see no reason to not get an illuminated reticle, as it functions just like a normal reticle when it's switched off. Yet it's way better in dusk/dawn situations against dark coloured animals then a normal reticle. Actually, it shows up much better against dark coloured animals no matter what time of the day, so I fail to see the downside some people think there is with illuminated reticles. Note though that not all illuminated reticles are created equal. Some are much better than others, and this is usually reflected by their price...

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Re: BEST DG SCOPE FOR A 416 BOLT [Re: EricD]
#66069 - 18/11/06 11:38 AM

I think there are plenty of reasons not to use the illuminated reticle models, right up til you try to hunt a lion or leopard on bait. Then there is no other substitute. Not that you can't kill a lion or lropard witout one, just that you added an hour each day to your effort, 1/2hr morning and again evening.

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Re: BEST DG SCOPE FOR A 416 BOLT [Re: Double_Trouble]
#66077 - 18/11/06 02:19 PM

Have seen too many problems with both Swarovski Binoculars and scope.
Problems like internal mold or moisture in four sets of Binos and one scope..

Also ony 80mm eye relief on most models compared to S&B MAGNUM 95MM eye relief.

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Re: BEST DG SCOPE FOR A 416 BOLT [Re: JPK]
#66082 - 18/11/06 07:49 PM

In reply to:

I think there are plenty of reasons not to use the illuminated reticle models, right up til you try to hunt a lion or leopard on bait.

JPK,

Can you please elaborate?

The only downside that comes to mind is a tiny bit of extra weight. Besides that, it's just like a scope without illumination when it's switched off.

Erik

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Re: BEST DG SCOPE FOR A 416 BOLT [Re: EricD]
#66083 - 18/11/06 08:44 PM

Hoppdoc,
If shooting with both eyes open is important to your choice, the closer a scope is to a true 1 power at minimum magnification seems to make a diffirence. My eyes work together with a 1x but not 1.5x or 1.75x. Some scopes listed at 1x are closer to 1.5 (ie Leupold 1x4).

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Re: BEST DG SCOPE FOR A 416 BOLT [Re: EricD]
#66086 - 18/11/06 10:30 PM

Erik--

I agree that the eye relief is important on a heavy recoiling rifle-90 mm is decent for a 416. The S&B illuminated sounds interesting.I will admit that i shoot much better in dusk/dawn situation with an illuminated reticle.That is usually when the game shows up as well.

I would want to look at the illuminated reticle model in the off mode and note its function. Some of the "red impact dots" disappear if the battery power goes out and then you would be tits up in a DG situation-unacceptable.

86thecat-
I am right eye dominant and can use 1.5X power with both eyes open. Have a scoped SA slugged shotgun I play with.Lots of fun!!

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Re: BEST DG SCOPE FOR A 416 BOLT [Re: hoppdoc]
#66088 - 18/11/06 11:28 PM

In reply to:

I would want to look at the illuminated reticle model in the off mode and note its function. Some of the "red impact dots" disappear if the battery power goes out and then you would be tits up in a DG situation-unacceptable.

Hoppdoc,

It seems to me that what you mention is often connected to which price range the scope is in. As with everything in this world, you often get what you pay for.

Besides the S&B 1.1-4 illuminated scope, I also own a Zeiss Varipoint 2.5-10 with an illuminated dot. In both cases, the reticle is no different with the light on or off, besides there being a tiny (adjustable in brightness) red dot when it's on. So there is no problem whatsoever if the battery happens to fail while you are hunting. It'll just turn into a regular scope. But note that since the batteries on these newer scopes last for a long time, this won't be a problem as long as you put in a new battery once a year. Or even every other year, for most people. This shouldn't be too hard for poeple to remember at the start of every hunting season/trip.

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Re: BEST DG SCOPE FOR A 416 BOLT [Re: Ndumo]
#66125 - 01/12/06 11:51 PM

Ndumo... I must be!

that was quite a brain fade on my part,,,,, maybe i just need better optics. It's time for bifocals, sure as hell sucks to get old!

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