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The Ideal African Hunting Battery
      #65807 - 13/11/06 04:26 PM

Ladies and Gentlemen,

A discussion question.

What would your opinion be on the Ideal African Hunting Battery?

I am not talking about what firearms you would take on a specific safari. but what would the ideal battery to choose from be?

Unfortunately in this day and age, we are limited by time, money, luggage allowances, and can't do multiple country six month safaris across half a continent. Instead we do shorter more selective safaris for particular game. But different hunts require different tools. A suitable firearm for an elephant hunt in the jess might be next to useless on Springbok in the Karoo.

To define the question a little more. Instead of ideal for someone winning a lotto grand prize, lets say an ideal battery for YOU, for your expected (or hoped for) hunting career in Africa.

Please list what calibres, type or model, anything else and especially what you would plan to use it/them for.

I hope this proves of interest to members and also instructive as well.


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Re: The Ideal African Hunting Battery [Re: Ezine]
      #65823 - 14/11/06 12:40 AM

This is based on a 2 gun battery: primary and backup/plains game

Budget: 2 Remington 700 ABG .458 & .375 @ $2000 apiece + scope $1000

Pricey: Merkel .470 double & Dakota .375 w/ scope for about $15,000

Ideal: pre war British double and bolt w/ ziess optics >= $20,000

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Re: The Ideal African Hunting Battery [Re: bonanza]
      #65825 - 14/11/06 01:38 AM

1. A double rifle of .470 or .500 caliber.

2. A bolt gun in the .458 Lott class.

3. A bolt gun in .375 H&H or 9.3 x 62.

4. A bolt gun in 30-06.

By selecting 2 guns from this group for any given trip, a variety of safaris could be put together, from all DG to all PG.


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Re: The Ideal African Hunting Battery [Re: Ezine]
      #65826 - 14/11/06 01:52 AM

My ideal, BASIC African battery consists of just two rifles.

Both are custom Model 70 Winchesters built on Model 70 actions by D'Arcy Echols & Company. One of them is a 416 Rem. Mag., and the other is a 338 Win. Mag. Both rifles are absolutely reliable, durable, perfectly balanced, fast-handling, superbly accurate, and they do not change zero, ever.

They're stocked in Echols' own McMillan stock, so they're not pretty in a traditional sense. But pretty is as pretty does, and I prefer synthetic stocks to wood. I'm not hung up over the romance of rifle ideas from the 1920s.

When it gets down to serious use, these two rifles deliver the goods every time, and I have no reason to use anything else. That is, unless I substitute another Echols 300 Win. Mag. for the 338, or else go with another pair of Echols rifles I have in 270 Win. and 375 H&H .......

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Re: The Ideal African Hunting Battery [Re: allenday]
      #65827 - 14/11/06 02:01 AM

Allen,

I like your battery, but would you not rather have a .375 in case your .416 gets stuffed?

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Re: The Ideal African Hunting Battery [Re: bonanza]
      #65828 - 14/11/06 02:27 AM

No, I wouldn't. I take an extra scope for the 416 that's pre-zeroed, and I haven't needed to use it yet. In fact, the only rifle I've ever had go belly-up on me was a 458 Win. Mag., and it's problems stemmed from a gunsmithing error back home.

Most African animals are mule deer size and elk size, and I haven't found any of them to be all that hard to kill, at least if you use good bullets. I greatly dislike having to go with a heavy 375 H&H (and I've done it) for every little antelope that might be encountered on a safari. As far as I'm concerned, the plainsgame rifle is the workhorse rifle of any general-bag safari, and (going back to my roots) I've found that any good elk rifle makes an ideal plainsgame rifle for all African antelope thru eland.

The 416s for buffalo, etc.........the stuff you really need it for.

My absolute worst gun problems in Africa have had to do with bad bullets. Most of the cartridges I've used have killed about the same.........

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Re: The Ideal African Hunting Battery [Re: allenday]
      #65848 - 14/11/06 10:11 AM

Good to see you posting again Allen, haven't seen much of you for a while.

My ideal battery to choose rifles from for going on Safari would be:

500 NE Double
450-400 double QD scoped 1-4
9,3x74R double QD scoped 1.5-6

416 Rigby Bolt QD scoped with 1.5-6 power (or there abouts)
375 H&H Bolt QD with either 1.5-6 or 2.5-8 depending on whether the 416 was coming along
338 WM bolt QD with 2.5-8 or 3-9
300 H&H bolt QD with 3-9

All besides 500 would have claw mounts and all scopes would have a back-up, in proper mounts and sighted.

Make/models would depend on budget.

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Re: The Ideal African Hunting Battery [Re: bulldog563]
      #65851 - 14/11/06 10:58 AM

I haven't been to Africa but would hope the following group with premium bullets would work well.

500 NE double,
416 Rigby, scoped
300 WSM, scoped

If I were to add another a 9.3 x 74R Double with QD scope would be fun, quick to shoot, and versitile


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Re: The Ideal African Hunting Battery [Re: Ezine]
      #65857 - 14/11/06 11:57 AM

When I went in 2002, I took just two rifles a Remington 700, Wiseman bbl, Jewell trigger, McMillian stock, Zeiss 3x9 chambered for .300 H&H and a Santa Barbara mauser action fitted with another Wiseman bbl, McMillian stock topped with an old 4x Leupold scope chambered in .375 H&H...

Of course I did not shoot elephant, rhino or hippo,but did shoot two buff, leopard, kudu, zebra and some lesser plains game...both rifles killed them like they should with only the buff requiring more than one shot each...

When I go again, will take a lightweight .375H&H and a custom .458 Win I am putting up now..


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Re: The Ideal African Hunting Battery [Re: Ezine]
      #65873 - 14/11/06 03:23 PM

Earlier this year I had to consider this. I got a job in South Africa on a two year renewable contract. What should I take to South Africa for hunting? Knowing full well that the largest animal I could afford to hunt would be a Zebra or Kudu, I had my upper limits. Big five being beyond my means.

So for large plains game it was a choice between my Mauser 98, .338/06 Ackley w/ 3x9 Leupold or my Ruger 77, .338/308 Ackley with V6 Weaver. I had used the 338/308AI on Kudu and Zebra on my first trip over in 2002 and found it very effective.

The Ruger is set up for Montana open prairie hunting so that is why it has a V6. I had no problem with the V6 scope in thick brush of South Africa, but would have preferred a 3x9 like I use in the thick buck brush covered hills of Southern Oregon. 3X for looking into the bush 25 yards away and 9X for the occasional 200 yard cross canyon shot.

I had decided against my precious big caliber Martini's. It is my intent to acquire Martini's while here. (And I have)

For small/er game My Remington 700 VLS .223 with a 12x seemed bit on the heavy side. So I settled on a Martini here an I. Hollis 218 Mashburn Bee with Lyman peep sight.

In the end I brought no guns, my employer and the South African government said no!

No problem, I have access to any number of Martini's here, including a Swinburn sporter 577/450, and I Hollis in WR Musket No. 2 and an Jeffery’s on a Francotte action in 577 2 inch.



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Re: The Ideal African Hunting Battery [Re: DoubleD]
      #65992 - 17/11/06 09:31 AM


I take 1 or 2 of the following depending on quarry

Rigby 275 Mauser BA
Holland 375 Mauser BA
500 Nitro DR

SA plains to Zebra/Hartebeeste 275
as above plus Eland/Kudu 275 maybe and 375 def
Plains and Buff 375 and 500
Cats Buff and Ele 375 and 500
Business trip to SA 375


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Re: The Ideal African Hunting Battery [Re: Hollis500]
      #66261 - 03/12/06 08:27 AM

On my first 2 Safaris I took my 450 No2 and my scoped 9,3x74R both double rifles.
Both worked perfectly.

On my 3rd Safari [all 3 to Zim] I took the same two rifles and since my wife was along she took a scoped 450/400 3 1/4" double, and a 308 Blaser R 93.

I actually used the 450/400 more that my 450 No2 on this trip since it was its first time in Africa and I wanted to give it a "test".

So my Perfect Pair would be a 40 to 475 double and a 9,3x74R scoped double.


You would be hard pressed to beat a scoped 450/400 as your "big" gun.


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Re: The Ideal African Hunting Battery [Re: Ezine]
      #66328 - 04/12/06 10:15 AM

A Butch Searcy double in .500
A .375
For the bottom end it would be a toss up between a .300 H&H or .30/06

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Re: The Ideal African Hunting Battery [Re: hoppdoc]
      #66329 - 04/12/06 10:23 AM

In addition to the basic three rifles I listed + adding
the 9.3 I would also want to add a 20 gauge shotgun barrel to swap with the 9.3 x 74R just for general fun and bird hunting.

I think I would be would be in great shape with those rifles!!

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Re: The Ideal African Hunting Battery [Re: hoppdoc]
      #66370 - 05/12/06 11:30 AM

I like my DR in 458 a bolt in 375H&H, but would love a DR in 375 and the third would be a 30-06. I would also love to take my traveling SxS 12ga. In real life I have been very well served with my DR and my 375H&H bolt.

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Re: The Ideal African Hunting Battery [Re: JPK]
      #66640 - 09/12/06 09:15 AM

Ok, due to luggage restrictions I would go for the two gun battery solution.

1st set
416 Rigby, magnum mauser
8X68S, ZG-47 mauser

2nd set
375 H&H, magnum mauser
7X64, ZG-47 mauser

Plains game, birds and occasional leopard
7mm mag
12ga o/u with extra set of barrels in 9,3X74R

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Re: The Ideal African Hunting Battery [Re: Yochanan]
      #66649 - 09/12/06 12:01 PM

Quote:

Ok, due to luggage restrictions I would go for the two gun battery solution.

1st set
416 Rigby, magnum mauser
8X68S, ZG-47 mauser

2nd set
375 H&H, magnum mauser
7X64, ZG-47 mauser

Plains game, birds and occasional leopard
7mm mag
12ga o/u with extra set of barrels in 9,3X74R

Cheers
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Re: The Ideal African Hunting Battery [Re: NitroX]
      #66654 - 09/12/06 01:08 PM

OK my personal choices for a reasonable African hunting battery.

Usually a maximum of two firearms could be actually carried, perhaps with a set of shotgun barrels.

I would probably take a medium calibre plus a double rifle on a planned safari, depending on the chosen hunts/target game. Inreality probably a .400 or a .450, plus a .300 or 8mm. (I don't own all of these yet).

Plains game:

1. 6.5x68 takedown bolt action, scoped - for flat shooting at smaller medium sized game - if needed;
2. .30-06 M98, scoped or a .300 H&H Mag M98, scoped, perferably a takedown;
3. 8x68S takedown bolt action, scoped;
4. 9.3x74R, scoped double rifle;
No.s 5 and 6:
Not ideal for plains game but if it is the 'smaller' calibre along it will do.
5. .375 H&H M98, scoped;
6. .500/.416 or a .400 Double rifle, scoped.

Elephant, buffalo, rhino (fat chance of that!), plus other big game:

1. .375 H&H M98, scoped in QD mounts;
2. .500/.416 or a .400 Double rifle, scoped or unscoped with QD mounts;
3. .450 No. 2 NE Double rifle, unscoped.


For feathers:

1. .500/.416 or a .400 Double rifle, with set of shotgun barrels.
2. 9.3x74R Valmet DR with 12g U/O shottie barrels.

For a client who is not as concerned with meat damage I don't see the need to go less than a .30 calibre. Unless one wants a really flat shooting rifle such as a 6.5x68 if a lot of smaller medium sized game would be hunted.

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Re: The Ideal African Hunting Battery [Re: NitroX]
      #66752 - 10/12/06 10:58 PM

1;Ritterbasch 98 in 9.3x64Breneke with 300grn SWIFT A FRAMES and 320grn Woodleigh Solids.
2;HEYM in 470NE with Woodleigh Soft and Solid bullets and a 12GA barrel.

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Re: The Ideal African Hunting Battery [Re: ozhunter]
      #67447 - 20/12/06 03:46 AM

I haven't been to Africa yet, but out of what I've read and heard from other experienced hunters this is my choice:

Merkel .470NE open sights
Tikka .30-06 Zeiss V 2,5-10x50

I've long wanted a 9,3x74R or 8x57JRS double, for which I'll mount a 1,5-6x42 Zeiss with a german claw mount.. When I get this one, I'll skip the lesser bolt gun altogheter....!

I like to keep things simple. You're not likely to walk around with all your rifles at the same time? Chances are pretty good that you'll have the wrong gun in the right moment..

I'd like to make a combined hunt for buff and plainsgame when I find an opportunity to go to africa. There are no plainsgame that will recover from a well placed .30-06 bullet. When it comes to the big stuff I can't see the need of a scoped bolt gun unless because of cost? I like to get up close, not shoot at long distances-that's marksmanship, not hunting in my world... And as long as eyesight is good, a shot at 50m at big game shouldn't be a problem with a double with open sigts. With the big stuff I've heard bigger is better, so I rule out the scoped medium big bore.

Only one rifle? Those who choose .375 for everything can't go wrong!

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Re: The Ideal African Hunting Battery [Re: Bonde]
      #67452 - 20/12/06 04:41 AM

A .375 H&H and a bow.



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Re: The Ideal African Hunting Battery [Re: AspenHill]
      #67471 - 20/12/06 06:02 AM

Quote:

A .375 H&H and a bow.






me too;
if I want to be serious about elephant I'll use a 470NE double but not sure it's necessary for Ann did a great job with her 375 .....and her bow.

Honestly a 375HH bolt rifle and a bow.

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Re: The Ideal African Hunting Battery [Re: Ezine]
      #67481 - 20/12/06 06:44 AM

For all-round use I rely on my old Ruger in .416 Rigby with Zeiss 1,25-4x24 mounted on EAW QD-mounts. Shoots like a varmint rifle.
For really serious hunting in the thick stuff I would prefer a Heym 88B Safari in .500 N.E. with open sights.
As a third rifle for lesser game why not a falling block rifle, let's say a custom job based on a Browning 1885 High-Wall action, custom stock and barrel, caliber 8x75RS or .338-06 A-Square. Quality open sights from Recknagel (ERA) and a Zeiss 1,5-6x42 with EAW pivot-mounts, that would be my dream rifle for plains game !

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Re: The Ideal African Hunting Battery [Re: Kalunga]
      #68088 - 26/12/06 08:12 AM

For a two gun hunt:

1. 9,3X62 Mauser with a low power variable scope.
2. An open sighted .500 Jeffery.

For a one gun hunt, a .375 H&H or a .404 Jeffery.

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The Ideal African Hunting Battery [Re: Ezine]
      #185754 - 13/07/11 11:32 PM

The three gun safari battery.

1978 Ruger H-1 Tropical .458 Winchester Magnum
2002 Left Hand Dakota M76 .376 Styer
1895 Holland and Holland .35 WCF double rifle




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Re: The Ideal African Hunting Battery [Re: bonanza]
      #185761 - 14/07/11 01:54 AM

Any of these are ready...when do we leave?


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Re: The Ideal African Hunting Battery [Re: Phillip]
      #185764 - 14/07/11 02:30 AM

Bonanza, What knife are you taking? Take care, Tom

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Re: The Ideal African Hunting Battery [Re: Tatume]
      #185826 - 15/07/11 12:15 AM

I am an old school rimmed cartridge junkie (but on a budget).

I like to keep things simple (2 guns with ammo for packing efficiency).

I like to keep things relatively light (for a lot of hiking/carrying).

I like to keep things versatile (per Mr. Bonanza's point, rifles that can back each other up well).

So....

1. a field grade double (Merkel is a good option) in .470 NE intended for big/dangerous stuff.
2. a Ruger No. 1 single shot in .450/400 (top choice), .375 flanged, or 9.3x74R at minimum, for plains game.

In a pinch, with PH backup, either gun could be used for multiple purposes. I would use only open sights, which puts a limitation on range to begin with, so flat shooting is not a big priority. However, fit a scope to either gun and you should be in pretty good shape out to 200 yards.

Anyway, that's my 2 gun battery. Probably not a lot different than a DR/Farkie combo that would have been used 100 years ago...

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Re: The Ideal African Hunting Battery [Re: hunter_angler]
      #185828 - 15/07/11 12:26 AM

I'm actually only take two: the .376 dakota and .35 WCF H&H double cuze it's a plains game hunt. I have a Pelican case fitted for two rifles. The scopes are going in luggage.

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Re: The Ideal African Hunting Battery [Re: Tatume]
      #185829 - 15/07/11 12:27 AM

Not sure. Do I need a knife? PHC says to just take a Swiss Army Knife. I have a leatherman tool that will work.

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Re: The Ideal African Hunting Battery [Re: bonanza]
      #185845 - 15/07/11 04:33 AM

Quote:

I'm actually only take two: the .376 dakota and .35 WCF H&H double cuze it's a plains game hunt. I have a Pelican case fitted for two rifles. The scopes are going in luggage.




I think it's cool you're using the .35 WCF! I have often thought about my lever in .348 WIN for a plains game hunt. It works fine on Elk/Moose in North America, so I gotta think it could handle similar-sized African game.

And, although not ideal, if I got into trouble and big cats showed up, I would at least have a reasonable round plus fast repeatability on my side!

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Re: The Ideal African Hunting Battery [Re: hunter_angler]
      #185864 - 15/07/11 08:26 AM

My choices keep changing as I keep learning and experience more.

.22lr and 12 gauge shotguns are a given.

In the past it was a 7x57 and 9.3x62
Today its a .243W and .333 OKH
Tomorrow (after a lotto win) .300H&H and .500/465H&H.

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Re: The Ideal African Hunting Battery [Re: allenday]
      #185898 - 16/07/11 02:54 AM

Quote:

My ideal, BASIC African battery consists of just two rifles.
Both are custom Model 70 Winchesters built on Model 70 actions by D'Arcy Echols & Company. One of them is a 416 Rem. Mag., and the other is a 338 Win. Mag. Both rifles are absolutely reliable, durable, perfectly balanced, fast-handling, superbly accurate, and they do not change zero, ever.





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Re: The Ideal African Hunting Battery [Re: JabaliHunter]
      #185907 - 16/07/11 05:59 AM

Perfect !!!! May I suggest a 12 gauge or a .22 rifle (if you have room). You would be surprised at how much you will shoot a scoped .22 on Safari (and unlike the other shells , 100 rounds of .22's weigh almost nothing). !!! I always take one, and if I am not shooting it, seems like someone in camp will find a use for it. Just a suggestion.
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Re: The Ideal African Hunting Battery [Re: bwanabobftw]
      #185911 - 16/07/11 07:25 AM

If we do speak Africa along my ideal battery is what I have already..:

12bore Shot & ball gun
.333Jeffery or 8x57Mauser or .300H&H
Heavy double in 10bore.

One day if I were to exchange my vintage 10bore double for another doublerifle I would take a .577 nitro express.

To narrow things more down..
my .333Jeffery and .577Nitro(future) and 12bore shotgun(any kind really) would be my ideal battery.

On my trip here this august I`ll take my Rigby 12bore S&B and a .333Jeffery.

If I loaded the .333Jeffery with solids, I believe I could take any animal in Africa, except where the animals needed to be stopped in a charge..here a the heavy double would fill the bill.

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Re: The Ideal African Hunting Battery [Re: rigbymauser]
      #185912 - 16/07/11 08:39 AM

Not having hunted Africa my idea would be

2 gun battery, 270win or 303-those MK5 Jungle carbines are nice and light and a 416Rigby.

3 gun battery 22rimfire or Hornet, 270, 416 Rigby.

If only plains game then

22hornet and 35Whelen- with some Woodleigh 225 grain Hydros for anything nasty that turned up- if I couldn't get my 35Sambar in due to headstamps not matching calibre markings on barrel.


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Re: The Ideal African Hunting Battery [Re: Rule303]
      #186026 - 18/07/11 08:20 AM

I've been four times; elephant, multiple Cape Buffalo, stink bull giraffe, plains game, sititunga, wart hog, baboon.

I carry and use:
1. Ruger #1 in .458 Lott.
2. Weatherby .257 W. Mag.

So far no complaints from any animal.

BTW: I used a S&W 500 Mag on the stink bull. Second vertebrae, giraffe on the ground.


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Re: The Ideal African Hunting Battery [Re: poprivit]
      #186118 - 20/07/11 01:22 AM

The basis for me, too would be a two-gun battery.

Light/medium 7x57
Heavy 9,3x62

If we're looking for big game only, then 9,3x62, 9,3x64, .404 Jeff or .416 - make mine a tad modern, i.e. Rem Mag.
Out of these I'd lean towards the 9,3x64 or .404 Jeff.

For a plains game trip only, I think a 7x57 would suffice. Perhaps even something as small and light as a 6,5x55 but I doubt if I'd really go that small.

If I were after bigger plains game only, I doubt if I would put my trust into something as small as a 7mm. Then we'd be talking calibers between .30-06 and the 9,3x62.
This is the area where I have been toying most with ideas myself. Perhaps the most ideally suited would be the .338-06 or a similar like the 8,5x63 Reb. That said, I have shot Eland @ 176yds w/ a .30-06 very satisfyingly, indeed, thank you very much.
Given my recoil shyness any caliber above .30 should be quite slow giving a milder recoil than the .30-06 does (thus the "basic" choice of 7x57).
A 8x57 would be fine, indeed: load with 200grs AccuBonds and you have a sure killer. Somehow I don't see the 8mm very much as African, though. Thus the more Bellian 7mm!
Or to go super-classic: .318 WR. That would have to be paired with a .425 WR as the heavy, no?

Much as I love the lever guns I think I'd have to settle for a bolt gun, anyway.
Take-down, please.

Scope-wise someting with low magnification and a wide field of view - the new Swarovski Z6 EE (Extended Eye relief) models would fit the bill; although I could make do with a more classic model Zeiss or Schmidt & Bender equally well.
QD mounts and decent open sights.
I'm not comfortable with the V notch and bead so I wish to have a traditional rear sight with the U notch and post front sight. A modern see-through (Recknagel) would be fine, too.
Alas, my latest experience in Namibia has convinced me against red dot sights for PG. Should be OK for DG especially in thick stuff.
I'm prepared to revise this opinion if I get to use a red dot sight whose dot is smaller than 3.5MOA. Zeiss?

If a favorite lever gun could be specified - and of course one can! - I'd take a Winchester model 1895 in 7,62x53R!
So far I have not come up with a lever that could be used against DG. Perhaps a Marlin .45-70 but let's leave the lever for the PG for the time being.

Speaking doubles the heavy is easy: .450/.400 Jeffery.
The medium requires more thought. I might end up with the 7x65R. 7x57R would be equally satisfying.
If one wants to be exotic then one chooses the 9,3x65R Brenneke.

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Re: The Ideal African Hunting Battery [Re: Schauckis]
      #186139 - 20/07/11 08:54 AM

Leverguns for dangerous game?

If you want something traditional, the .50 Alaskan in a Marlin 1895 has been used successfully on elephant. Myself I would lean toward a Winchester 1886 or 71 in .50-110 for a bit more case capacity. 500 grain solids at 1900 plus FPS could do some damage. I would give it a go with PH backup.

The best option might be a more modern Browning BLR in .416 Taylor, a proven DG round. In fact, a two barrel takedown BLR with one pipe in .416 and the other in .338 or .300 WIN Mag. could probably do it all for you on safari. A one levergun African battery!

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Re: The Ideal African Hunting Battery [Re: hunter_angler]
      #186196 - 21/07/11 12:09 AM

For myself it would really depend on where I was going...

Example-when I was in Zim the last time it was a dangerous game area only---based on my experience, I will NEVER bring anything less than a .375 --it will cover anything as far as plains game and still enough if/when you get into a tuskless or whatever...

If only hunting plains game or plains game/dangerous..and in South AFrica or Namibia..ahve taken 300 Ultra-mag and .416...has worked great...loaded the 300 with 200 gr A-Frames and the 416 with 400 gr A-Frames and 400 gr Solids..

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Re: The Ideal African Hunting Battery [Re: bonanza]
      #190377 - 21/09/11 03:13 PM

These are the batteries I've taken to Africa.

2006: 340 Wby MK V and 416 Rigby CZ
2007: 340 Wby MK V and 416 Rigby CZ
2008: 375 H&H M-70 and 500NE Merkel Double
2009: 300 H&H Ruger #1 and 500NE Merkel Double
2010: 375 H&H M-70 and 500NE Merkel Double
2011: 300 H&H Ruger #1, 375 H&H M-70, and 500NE Merkel Double

Only took the 3rd rifle in 2011 as my younger son was along and could look after and carry the extra rifle. The 3rd rifle being the 300 H&H was used for Leopard. I used the 375 H&H for Leopard in 08 as well but my opinion is that the 375 is not the best choice for 150 lb cats!

I feel that these 5 rifles provide everything that I need to choose from but I did just purchase a 9.3X74R double. I'm sure I'll fit it in somewhere!

Cheers,

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Re: The Ideal African Hunting Battery [Re: HogPilot]
      #190391 - 21/09/11 07:27 PM

Orright then,

As the 404 Jeff was developed with both a 400gn at 2150 for Afrik and 300gn at 2600 for those on shikar (in Injah) I'd go with that. Current loads exceed both.

For African plains game then a 30-06 with 180gn and up.


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Re: The Ideal African Hunting Battery [Re: bonanza]
      #194182 - 20/11/11 09:24 AM

In my humble opinión, for general Plain Game a 300 Weatherby Magnum (or 338 WM), for bigger animals a 375 H&H Magnum and for dangerous game a 458 Lott or superior.

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Re: The Ideal African Hunting Battery [Re: bonanza]
      #194686 - 24/11/11 04:09 AM

Ideal African gun battery?

The idea being to enjoy a safari to the full, with the most versatile firearms and the minimum of luggage?

A .375 H&H and a 12Ga shotgun.

That's all you need to travel light and have the most fun possible.

The 12Ga will bring you hours of sport with francolins, guinea fowl, rabbits, etc., and the .375 is all you need for anything you want and can shoot at that is beyond the shotgun capabilities.

Whatever else you bring won't add an ounce of usefulness to the safari, beyond satisfying a rifleman's itches.

OK, a .404 and a .22 would do the same... But that's the general idea.

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Re: The Ideal African Hunting Battery [Re: bonanza]
      #194855 - 25/11/11 05:36 PM

(1) 450-400 3" NE double rifle (Verney Carron, Heym, Merkel) - mostly from the perspective of ease of shooting. Got to admit that the .470 NE holds some fascination.

(2) .375 H&H (Ruger Safari Magnum or similar)


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Re: The Ideal African Hunting Battery [Re: Azone]
      #194863 - 25/11/11 09:46 PM

My ideal battery to hunt the whole Africa not in trip of course would be.

1 - 500 NE double for elephants and dangerous game follow up.
2 - 375 H&H for most other dangerous game and plainsgame

3 - 8x68S for those longer shots at plainsgame will also do well on leopard.

4 - 6x45 for the small duikers and others

5 - 12g side by side for the birds.

Its not the shortest list but with it I would be able to take on the world nevermind just Africa.

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Re: The Ideal African Hunting Battery [Re: SafariHunt]
      #194866 - 25/11/11 10:06 PM

Quote:

My ideal battery to hunt the whole Africa not in trip of course would be.

1 - 500 NE double for elephants and dangerous game follow up.
2 - 375 H&H for most other dangerous game and plainsgame

3 - 8x68S for those longer shots at plainsgame will also do well on leopard.

4 - 6x45 for the small duikers and others

5 - 12g side by side for the birds.

Its not the shortest list but with it I would be able to take on the world nevermind just Africa.




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a 404j
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You have good taste.

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Re: The Ideal African Hunting Battery [Re: FATBOY404]
      #194871 - 25/11/11 10:59 PM

For a dedicated plains game hunt where there are nil dangerous game, ideal takes one a whole new meaning.

Ideal is:

a) easy to travel with
b) you favorite rifle
c) accurate
d) light
e) useful

On my recent safari I took two rifles that fit in one pelican case: .375 bolt rifle with two scopes and a .35 WFC double rifle.

However, if DG where on the list then it would be:

a) DG class double
b) CRF .375 bold rifle with scope

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Re: The Ideal African Hunting Battery [Re: bonanza]
      #194876 - 26/11/11 12:15 AM

I have forgotten a 12 Ga shotgun

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Re: The Ideal African Hunting Battery [Re: ovny]
      #195075 - 28/11/11 08:52 AM

i like to keep it simple;
light 416 Rem.
medium 416 Rem.
heavy 416 Rem.


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Re: The Ideal African Hunting Battery [Re: Ezine]
      #233375 - 02/08/13 04:40 AM

My African two rifle battery alternatives:
300 H&H + 400 H&H rifle
or
350 Rigby + 416 Rigby rifle
or
333 Jeffery + 505 Gibbs
To cover all activities I would add 12 gauge shotgun.

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Re: The Ideal African Hunting Battery [Re: Phillip]
      #233382 - 02/08/13 08:10 AM


These will do, Rigby 275, Jeffery 404


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Re: The Ideal African Hunting Battery [Re: Claydog]
      #233395 - 02/08/13 07:26 PM

.375, .500 and a 12 bore, a .22LR would be nice for putting small game on the table but I suppose the shotty could do that, best

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Re: The Ideal African Hunting Battery [Re: Mike_Bailey]
      #233398 - 02/08/13 08:25 PM

I am at a stage where I now have the rifles I need ,for most hunting about the place.

If two rifles then my merkel 470 double and sako 270 wsm. Double for bush veld hunting of most things and the sako for open country plains animals and baboons. Of the 7 game animals I took on my plains game safari in 2010 with my .375 I think i could have taken 5 of them with my double.

If one rifle, then a 375 with woodleighs to suit the intended game.

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Re: The Ideal African Hunting Battery [Re: gwh]
      #233421 - 03/08/13 07:07 AM

Chapuis SxS 450-400 3" with a 1-6 x scope in qr rings and another Chapuis SxS in 7x65r with. 2-12x scope in qr rings.

I'm going to try this in 2014.

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Re: The Ideal African Hunting Battery [Re: Rell]
      #233431 - 03/08/13 09:11 AM

On my first African hunt I took a pre-64 Model 70 Winchester in .300 H&H, my Krieghoff Teck DR in .458 WM with two additional barrel sets in .375 H&H and 20 gauge 3" Magnum, plus my wildcat .505 based on a shortened .460 Weatherby case. I still have all those rifles, and would be happy to use them again, but I am now putting together a set which will include DR barrel pairs in .500 NE and 450/400 3" NE, plus a set of combination barrels in 12 gauge/.244 H&H Magnum. I may add a pair of 12 gauge barrels to round out the set, again based on a Krieghoff Teck action. Perhaps an insert barrel in another caliber for the combination gun shotgun barrel.

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Re: The Ideal African Hunting Battery [Re: xausa]
      #233434 - 03/08/13 10:30 AM

Do you have a lot of gun bearers , native boy's and other behind you ?

We are in the 21th century !


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Re: The Ideal African Hunting Battery [Re: grandveneur]
      #233440 - 03/08/13 01:32 PM

Quote:

Do you have a lot of gun bearers , native boy's and other behind you ?




Just a golf cart.

I always hunted from a Land Cruiser pick up truck, with all the guns in the back, and the Krieghoff assembled with whatever set of barrels appropriate for what I was hunting. I don't ever remember changing barrels in the course of a day. I did have a gun bearer, but I carried my own gun.

I don't believe in hunting more than one thing at a time. No point in firing a shot which may scare off your primary quarry. Hunting elephant, buffalo or rhino, the .505 or .458. Lion, leopard, eland or greater kudu, the .375. Anything else, the .300, or on later hunts perhaps the 7X57 or the .222 I once brought along.

The beauty of the Krieghoff was that in those days I could hand the case to the flight attendant at the gate, and she would lock it away in the pilot's compartment during the flight and return it to me as we disembarked. No hope of that nowadays, of course.


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Re: The Ideal African Hunting Battery [Re: xausa]
      #233519 - 05/08/13 12:50 AM

What an interesting topic!

Essentials:

For the heavy it will have to be a .500 3" NE double by William Evans on a screw-grip action with ejectors (because Andrew Hepner has one, I've shot it, and it's a hell of a gun).

Next up I'll have to pick my custom Brno 602 .375 H&H with a Leupold 1,75-6x in QD mounts. Plenty of buff, hippo, kudu, etc. over the years. Enough said.

For long range stuff a decent .300 H&H of sorts with a good scope and decent handloads.

Next up a good 7x57. I've shot a bunch of game with the calibre, from big wildebeest on down, and every good home needs one.

An accurate .223 with a VERY good scope on it, for when you really need to cull impala or shoot the odd jackal. They work well for the odd two-legged varmint in the full moon as well.

A best-quality Woodward "Automatic" 12-bore, 29-inch barrels, cased, simply because I have one and every good home needs one.

A Webley screw-grip actioned 12-bore with Southgate ejectors heavy proof, tight chokes and 70mm chambers. Waterfowl and see "Rule .223" above.

A .22 Mauser. Scoped.

A Browning Hi-Power 9mmP with plenty of mags, a shitload of ammo and a couple of decent holsters. See "Rule .223".

Must-haves:

My .318 WR dating from the early 1920's. It kills things DEAD and is just about the nicest calibre out there.

The A-Grade Oberndorf 9,3x62 I bought recently. Every good home needs one.

A decent .30-06. Worked for Ruark and Hemingway, a must-have to this day.

A decent AR/M-16 with plenty of mags and a REAL shitload of ammo. See "Rule .223".

My super-accurate Remington .243. Can't live without it.

My trusty Browning 12-bore OU. Can't live without it.


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Re: The Ideal African Hunting Battery [Re: jvw]
      #233590 - 05/08/13 07:32 PM

CZ 550 in 416Rigby for all dangerous game. Scoped with Trijacon 1.25-4X24 or Aimpoint
Rem 700 in 375H&H for plains (and dangerous game if encountered) Scoped Ziess Victory 1.5-6X42.

Rem 700 in 35Whelen scoped with Aimpoint. For plains game
Rem 700 in 300SAUM scoped with Nightforce 2.5-10X32 - plains game
270Win in Styer Prohunter scoped with a Kahles 2.5-10X50 plains game.


The above is what I can draw from. My prefered 2 gun battery would be the 416Rigby and the 35Whelen. I would use 410 Woodleigh SN and Hydro's in the Rigby and Woodleigh 225 grain Protected Points and Hydros in the Whelen.

If I was to take the 300SAUM I would have 155grain Australian Custom Projectiles in medium and hard.


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The Ideal African Hunting Battery [Re: Ezine]
      #252215 - 16/08/14 08:26 AM

Maybe not ideal, but you fellows are always crying for "More pictures".

Here is my rifle collection, minus the H1 tropical .458 Winchester.
It's taken 10 years to get here with lots of buying selling and trading.

My goal was no single rifle over $10k, easy to reload, light recoil and can use
for any game. I'm taking the .284 this fall on a Mule Deer/Elk hunt in CO. First
time using it. Final thought, if I had to sell them and keep just one, it would probably
be the .284 Winchester. I can see me shooting/hunting that into my 80s.

1884 H&H .35 WCF top lever back action
2002 LH Dakota .284 Winchester M76 Lightweight
1885 Webly .500 BPE hammerless
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Re: The Ideal African Hunting Battery [Re: bonanza]
      #252239 - 16/08/14 01:59 PM

Geez, Bonanza.
That Webley 500BPE with the proper bullets could cover about 80% of the requirements of an African battery.
I could see that being a go to rifle for all sorts of stuff. Of course, I have always wanted a nice hammerless BPE rifle and using modern reduced smokeless loads makes them super versatile.

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Re: The Ideal African Hunting Battery [Re: bonanza]
      #252260 - 17/08/14 01:03 AM

Hivus,

I have the correct bullet for the 500 BPE. It's the Cast Performance 435 grain heat treated solid. It's the same bullet used in the .500 S&W.

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Re: The Ideal African Hunting Battery [Re: bonanza]
      #252279 - 17/08/14 05:45 PM

My three rifles.

Ruger Safari Magnum 77 in 458 Lott
CZ550 in 30-06
Ruger No1 in 375 H&H

Although only the 30-06 actually went to Africa with me (30kg baggage limit)



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Re: The Ideal African Hunting Battery [Re: Tom30887]
      #252281 - 17/08/14 07:33 PM

Tom, do you have any more pictures of that Ruger No.1, it looks like a beauty.


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Re: The Ideal African Hunting Battery [Re: Waidmannsheil]
      #252289 - 17/08/14 10:56 PM

My ideal battery would be based around a take-down 9.3x62 (or a .375 H&H).
For a dangerous game safari I would take the first rifle as a back-up and add either a .404 (or .458 Lott) magazine rifle or a .450/.400 (or .450 NE) double rifle.
For a specific open country plains game hunt I would take a .300 Win Mag.
I think that takes good account of usefulness, effectiveness and potential back-up for ammo availability.


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Re: The Ideal African Hunting Battery [Re: Tom30887]
      #252466 - 21/08/14 06:16 AM

Quote:

My three rifles.

Ruger Safari Magnum 77 in 458 Lott
CZ550 in 30-06
Ruger No1 in 375 H&H

Although only the 30-06 actually went to Africa with me (30kg baggage limit)






WOW-- those have really nicely figured wood..

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Re: The Ideal African Hunting Battery [Re: bonanza]
      #252494 - 21/08/14 06:21 PM

My African experience is limited to one safari on plains game where i took all species with a Sako. 375 H&H.

I like to keep things simple, so my ideal battery would be a 470 NE double And a scoped 375 H&H. All scenarios covered

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Re: The Ideal African Hunting Battery [Re: gwh]
      #252508 - 21/08/14 10:59 PM

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My African experience is limited to one safari on plains game where i took all species with a Sako. 375 H&H.

I like to keep things simple, so my ideal battery would be a 470 NE double And a scoped 375 H&H. All scenarios covered




Agree with you 100% as that is the exact battery I plan to take next time. Right down to the Sako in .375 as that is the one I plan to take ..along with the WR .470...agree, all bases will be covered


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Re: The Ideal African Hunting Battery [Re: Ripp]
      #252541 - 22/08/14 08:50 PM

This is what I took two years ago, a Sauer 202T in 9.3x62 & my FAMARS 470 NE.

Tthe same setup will accompany me in a few days when I head back to Zimbabwe.



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Re: The Ideal African Hunting Battery [Re: Rigby350]
      #253077 - 02/09/14 07:11 PM

Pleased to say that I haven't a change my mind over the years and consider a 9.3mm ideal for most of my lighter bush hunting and a heavy rifle for big game in 450 to 470 ideal be it a bolt or double rifle.

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Re: The Ideal African Hunting Battery [Re: ozhunter]
      #348291 - 22/12/20 04:35 AM

After more 30 years of hunting in Africa I am of the opinion that there is no an ideal battery.

The largest part of the game that I shot in Africa were with the cartridge 460 WBY-Magnum , namely from the bustard to the elephant. The cartridge 460 WBY-Magnum limited me just to long range shooting , but very different cartridges filled this gap.

If I consider what I still own , an ideal three rifles battery for Africa would be a DR 577 Nitro Express for backup , a scoped bolt action rifle caliber 500 Jeffery or 460 WBY-Magnum and a scoped bolt action rifle caliber 340 WBY-Magnum.

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Re: The Ideal African Hunting Battery [Re: grandveneur]
      #348314 - 22/12/20 04:00 PM

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After more 30 years of hunting in Africa I am of the opinion that there is no an ideal battery.

The largest part of the game that I shot in Africa were with the cartridge 460 WBY-Magnum , namely from the bustard to the elephant. The cartridge 460 WBY-Magnum limited me just to long range shooting , but very different cartridges filled this gap.

If I consider what I still own , an ideal three rifles battery for Africa would be a DR 577 Nitro Express for backup , a scoped bolt action rifle caliber 500 Jeffery or 460 WBY-Magnum and a scoped bolt action rifle caliber 340 WBY-Magnum.




Have not seen this thread revived in a long time..

Interesting to read your thoughts and experiences..

I truly believe it depends largely on where you are hunting.. in S Africa I would have no problem bringing along a lighter plains game rifle.. In Zim or other "open" areas.. my minimum would be a .375H&H or similar caliber.. plenty of reach and large enough if you bump into something nasty you had no intention of hunting..

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Re: The Ideal African Hunting Battery [Re: Ripp]
      #348324 - 22/12/20 11:03 PM

The focus was always on the buffalo hunt and thus the choice of rifle and cartridge. I also often had to do my backup myself , and problems with elephants were also to be expected , and that in areas where they cannot be hunted.

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Re: The Ideal African Hunting Battery [Re: grandveneur]
      #348329 - 22/12/20 11:54 PM

African battery minimum. 600, 500, 375, 303, 300, 5.6x52r, 5.6x35r, 28b, 10b shot 32” barrels and 10b 27” rifled choke barrels anything less could spell death in the VELDT.

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Re: The Ideal African Hunting Battery [Re: Ahmed577]
      #348331 - 23/12/20 12:05 AM

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African battery minimum. 600, 500, 375, 303, 300, 5.6x52r, 5.6x35r, 28b, 10b shot 32” barrels and 10b 27” rifled choke barrels anything less could spell death in the VELDT.




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Re: The Ideal African Hunting Battery [Re: grandveneur]
      #348334 - 23/12/20 12:18 AM

The battery is finally finished and ready for the hunt. COVID could add another year or so. Hope to collect in London spring 2021.

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Re: The Ideal African Hunting Battery [Re: Ahmed577]
      #348338 - 23/12/20 12:39 AM

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African battery minimum. 600, 500, 375, 303, 300, 5.6x52r, 5.6x35r, 28b, 10b shot 32” barrels and 10b 27” rifled choke barrels anything less could spell death in the VELDT.




C, you will need more than a few gun bearers, airport porters and probably backup gun carrier Landrovers or Landcruisers.

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Re: The Ideal African Hunting Battery [Re: NitroX]
      #348339 - 23/12/20 01:32 AM

I started this discussion thread way back in Nov 2008 and it was re-opened at least once in 2011 and maybe other times. GREAT to see it continuing!

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OK my personal choices for a reasonable African hunting battery.

Usually a maximum of two firearms could be actually carried, perhaps with a set of shotgun barrels.

I would probably take a medium calibre plus a double rifle on a planned safari, depending on the chosen hunts/target game. Inreality probably a .400 or a .450, plus a .300 or 8mm. (I don't own all of these yet).

Plains game:

1. 6.5x68 takedown bolt action, scoped - for flat shooting at smaller medium sized game - if needed;
2. .30-06 M98, scoped or a .300 H&H Mag M98, scoped, perferably a takedown;
3. 8x68S takedown bolt action, scoped;
4. 9.3x74R, scoped double rifle;
No.s 5 and 6:
Not ideal for plains game but if it is the 'smaller' calibre along it will do.
5. .375 H&H M98, scoped;
6. .500/.416 or a .400 Double rifle, scoped.

Elephant, buffalo, rhino (fat chance of that!), plus other big game:

1. .375 H&H M98, scoped in QD mounts;
2. .500/.416 or a .400 Double rifle, scoped or unscoped with QD mounts;
3. .450 No. 2 NE Double rifle, unscoped.


For feathers:

1. .500/.416 or a .400 Double rifle, with set of shotgun barrels.
2. 9.3x74R Valmet DR with 12g U/O shottie barrels.

For a client who is not as concerned with meat damage I don't see the need to go less than a .30 calibre. Unless one wants a really flat shooting rifle such as a 6.5x68 if a lot of smaller medium sized game would be hunted.




I went back to see what I said 14 years ago. Some changes in my thinking since then. And I could still be tempted by some of the above.

First WHAT have I ACTUALLY USED?

First safari, Zimbabwe, plains game. West Nicholson area. Mixed open and jess veldt. From duiker to eland. Parker Hale M98 .30-06.

Second safari, cape buffalo and plains game in South Africa and Zimbabwe. Northern SA I forget the town name right now! Near the Crocodile River I think.

Some hunting on irrigated fields, huge distances possible for bushbuck., up to 800 metres away. Plus hunting in thick thorn jess for a variety of other plains game. Ranges always one hundred to two hundred metres at the very most. Usually shorter.

In Zimbabwe hunting in the Gwayi Valley for buffalo and plains game, then after a warvet invasion, shifted to Matetsi for similar. Variety of ranges. A Vlei between the thorn bush we approached buffalo from 800 metres awy in the open. Using black umbrellas.

Rifle used was my Whitworth M98 in .375 H&H Mag.

Third safari, Namibia and Zimbabwe.

Namibia plains game, Kalahari and a huntinh range near Windhoek. Used by Tikka 512SD double rifle in 9.3x74R, mainly for warthog. Shot maybe six or seven. Borrowed Karl Stumpfe's M98 custom rifle in 8x68S. Wanted to try it out. Hartebeest, impala, zebra, springbok, etc.

In Zimbabwe in the Omay concession South of Lake Kariba, two cow elephants. .450 No.2 NE WJ Jeffery double rifle.

BTW I am now so eager to go again, a simple plains game hunt would do me now.


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So my African battery.

8x68S Mauser M03 for plains game,. longer shots. And fine for medium game in the jess. It is a takedown.

Or the Customised Parker Hale 1200 M98 in .30-06. Still does the work well.

My Tikka 512SD U/O double rifle in 9.3x74R, with a set of shotgun barrels. I would prefer a side by side, but this set exists so ... multiple other barrel choices if desired.

For larger and dangerous game, in addition to the 9.3mm above, I can choose:

Mauser M03 .404 Jeffery. Also a takedown. Have a second rifle, could take a 8x68S AND a .404 as complete rifles or one rifle with two barrels as desired.

Whitworth M98 .375 H&H Mag.

AND OF COURSE I WOULD TAKE MY

.450 No.2 Nitro Express WJ Jeffery if hunting anything like elephant or buffalo.

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All these are owned, used. Some need more use. Will be a difficult choice, but of course the actual hunt may lean one one way or the other.

One is easy. The .450 No.2 NE WJ Jeffery. Anything approaching buffalo or elephant, it will go. I have used it a lot. Shot big bovines in the mid-20s in numbers with it, two elephant, a fair swag of pigs, donkeys etc and other medium game. It is "Zabardast" my bovine slayer. Adequate for close work on dangerous game. Have never used it at any longer ranges yet!

So the second would be a longer range choice for DG. When hunting elephant, I swapped my DR for the PHs Rem 700 .416 Rem with scope. It made it so much easier to shoot buffalo in a moving herd. We were still close, but kept moving out and getting in front of the feeding herd several times to see what was moving around in the herd. Meanwhile two ele bulls were arse to us sometimes only feet away. Did not shoot a cape buff bull. A longish horned youngster only in the herd. I wanted an old solid bossed boy. The cape buff and ele bulls never knew we were there. A cool hunt.

So a good second rifle choice would be my Whitworth M98 .375 H&H Mag. Which could also double as a plains game rifle.

OR more likely my .404 Jeffery Mauser M03. It is a take down so easy to travel with. I should use it more and especially use it as a medium game hunting rifle to give it a real try at that and longer range hunting.

If using the Mauser M03, I could also take along a 8x68S barrel as a par excellence, long range plains game hunting rifle. Either a barrel or a whole second rifle.

If a shotgun was needed, the Tikka U/O rifle and shotgun could go. With either shotgun barrels and/or rifle barrels. 9.3x74R, /30-06, 7x65R, and .223 barrel choices. Howabout one day a custom set of barrels in .450/400 or .375 Flanged??? Using one of the wonderfully accurate rifle barrels, doubles or combinations, it would make a fine long range plains game rifle with a scope. Single barrel OK for longer range, DR use at closer range.

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Long winded again.

.450 No.2 NE WJ Jeffery - takedown - DG at close range, or follow up, ele and buffalo.

.404 Jeffery Mauser M03 - takedown - secondary DG rifle, longer range, scoped hunting.

8x68S Mauser M03 - takedown - either just a barrel and scope, or a whole second rifle - plains game close or distant.

12 bore U/O Tikka 512SD shotgun - takedown - feather shooting. Multi choices of DR - 9.3x74R or .30-06 for plains hame or DG hunting. 7x65R or .223 plus 12 bore - if desired.

Not my ideal choices but I have them all. Don't really need anything else. And can do the any job.

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Re: The Ideal African Hunting Battery [Re: NitroX]
      #348340 - 23/12/20 01:51 AM

Now for a different sort of answer.

Many of us, most of us, all of us? Are not trophy room collectors, braggies, my trophy room is better than yours. I have more paid for SCI little trophy awards than you!

We hunt for fun. For the enjoyment of hunting. For the adventure. Also to use old decrepit firearms. Old classic cartridges, even black powder.

The Double Rifle Hunter

I have been keen and are becoming keen to concentrate again on double rifles and not much else.

My .450 No.2 Jeffery as above is a given.

I have mentioned ad nauseum the desire for a "modern" (God forbid) scoped medium/lighter big bore double rifle, able to be scoped, and use on both big game and medium game. I have expressed the desire for a side by side modern built QD scoped and also express sighted rifle in say .375 H&H Flanged. Use it exclusively on next to everything where the .450 is not needed. And have such a rifle able to shoot plains game at somewhat longer ranges as needed. Even if only with one barrel.

Now I do have the Tikka U/O 9.3x74R. Perhaps IT could do this job fantastically already! It does lack a bit of style that I would like, but beggars can't be choosers, it exists already in the same.

As mentioned elsewhere, perhaps a custom set of barrels as was discussed on a thread, in .450/400, or .375 Flanged (a bit close to the 9.3), or if really pushing it, a .416 No,2 Rigby set of barrels!!! Getting away from the all round use though.

The Classic Rifle Hunter

Some might choose to go classic. An old vintage Rigbt .275 Rigby. A Mannlicher-Schoenauer in 6.5x54 M-S. A Mauser 98 .318 Westley Richards. Or a .333 Jeffery, .350 Rigby Magnum, or the .375 H&H Magnum. That last one is pretty typical. A .30-06 ?

Maybe chambered in old Rigbys, H&Hs, Jefferys, Mannlichers or Mausers. A single shot Farqhuarson perhaps or similar.

I can feel a real affinity for that sort of safari, using old vintage classic rifles in old vintage classic chamberings.

The Old Elephant Guns

Some say only wannabes, newbies and pleb use the term "elephant guns"?

It has been said on this thread and other recent threads, a good old hunt would be to use a 10-bore double rifle on hippo, cape buffalo and the like.

I COMPLETELY can understand this. I would love to try out my Westley Richards 10-bore on hippo, then cape buffalo. Maybe elephant! That might test the nerves. I think side body shots might work, but what about a brain skull shot?

Give it a try on water buffalo in the Top End first perhaps.

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Re: The Ideal African Hunting Battery [Re: NitroX]
      #348341 - 23/12/20 02:14 AM

Quote:

Now for a different sort of answer.

Many of us, most of us, all of us? Are not trophy room collectors, braggies, my trophy room is better than yours. I have more paid for SCI little trophy awards than you!

We hunt for fun. For the enjoyment of hunting. For the adventure. Also to use old decrepit firearms. Old classic cartridges, even black powder. ..

Agree with the above.. MOST of us are just hunters.. which is great..

My thought on mount and trophy rooms has changed 100%...Personally I have 4 or 5 crates full of hides, skulls, etc sitting around that have never been mounted..and probably won't... First it's expensive to do, so for me the money I spend on mounts I will use for another hunting trip... Second, what is my family going to do with them when I am gone?? My wife is considerably younger.. and have young kids.. they might be interested in one or two for sentimental value..but not 100+..

I see all the time estate sales where the hunter has died and mounts need to be sold..

As stated, rather buy more weapons and go on more hunts.. pics at this stage are good enough..

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