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Crazyquik
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Help me decide: 9.3x62 or .375 H&H
      #6530 - 05/01/04 10:33 AM

So I'm looking at these CZ rifles, and I really like what I'm seeing.

I've found some pricing and such, and it seems that the .375 H&H will be about 200 more, and I'm trying to justify if it's worth that.

Gun will mostly be used for shooting elusive dirt clods, thinning out the milk jug population, and possibly be used to split some chunks of wood too. Either would be good enough for all North American game I think. It will also be my gun for hog hunting as well, although either caliber should be overkill. I may also take it black bear hunting, and our black bears can get over 700 lbs here (state record is 880 but thats the only one I've seen over 800, and over 600 is really good). Most likely I wouldn't even see a bear over 400 lbs, but it never hurts to be ready I dont plan on hunting Africa anytime soon, so that's practically a non-issue.

I'll be handloading for either because it saves money, I can load them down, and its impossible to buy 9.3 off the shelf around here. The local gun store owner was actually sort of standoffish when I enquired about a 9.3x62, and he made it clear that he "would not be responsible for supplying ammunition."

Right now I'm leaning towards the 9.3, but bullet selection and reloading information is pretty hard to find, especially compared to the .375 H&H. I've found 3 different types of brass. Supposedly the 9.3 can have headspace problems due to not much neck, does anyone have expirience with this? Where would be a good way to find what resizing dies work the best for it?



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9.3x62 or .375 H&H ? [Re: Crazyquik]
      #6534 - 05/01/04 01:10 PM

Here is a link to read,down the bottom of the page you will be able to flick over to the .375 Mag aswell.

http://www.african-hunter.com/the_9_3_x_62_mauser.htm

I am going through the same thoughts now.
I rang a mate last night who has shot a lot of buffalo around Darwin 20 years ago.He liked the .375H&H(he had a Sako) He had use of a 9.3x74R in a double for a while.He found 20 years ago projectiles were a problem,lack of choice etc.
Those problems have been overcome now,so I'm leaning that way.
He said buff can take some stopping because of their thick skin.When heart shot thay will still run 150yds.
He always shot them in the head and that dropped them on the spot.
Once he shot 15 in a row with a 300WM one shot head shots and switched to body shots on the last one and put 18 rounds into it.HTH

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Re: 9.3x62 or .375 H&H ? [Re: Far_Canel]
      #6538 - 05/01/04 03:59 PM

Just got back from my local gunshop,they had both CZ's in stock.
Quick answer,9.3=7.3lbs----.375=9.3lbs

That .375 is a whole lotta firearm.
Picked up a Woodleigh Bullet flyer while I was there.




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Re: 9.3x62 or .375 H&H ? [Re: Far_Canel]
      #6653 - 08/01/04 01:22 PM

Well, I ordered a 9.3x62 CZ 550 Lux today and put down a small deposit.

However, when the dealer called, they were doing inventory and wouldn't answer the phone, therefore he doesn't know if they have one at the CZ-USA distributor. So, if they dont have one, I'll be quite irate. Good thing I haven't bought the brass, dies, and shellholder yet.

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Re: 9.3x62 or .375 H&H ? [Re: Crazyquik]
      #6655 - 08/01/04 01:33 PM

If they don't have a 9.3 Lux in stock in the US, I guess I'll go back to looking the Gun List for used ones, as well as Whitworths.

These guys have an unfired 550 Mag in .375 H&H for $625, but after I paid shipping and FFL, I can get a brand new one from my dealer for less.

http://www.heritagearms.net/consignment/

This gun store also has a used .458 with muzzle break on the rack but its stainless and synthetic (blah). Little too much gun for me I think.

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Re: 9.3x62 or .375 H&H ? [Re: Crazyquik]
      #6665 - 08/01/04 07:06 PM

A late input but anyway.

I am sure your 9.3x62 will be fine for whatever you use and here in Sweden it has almost become a second national caliber after our 6,5x55, at least when you want something big. Ammo supply is outstanding in this caliber.

However the latest years the 375 has become really popoular even if there sometimes can be hard to find ammo at some dealers.

Why then. We got a big rise for Wild boars here and younger guys (even if not dreaming of Africa) wants to have something bigger than the regular 6,5x55, 308 or 30-06 and often chose the 375 thanks to the wide range of bullets.

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Re: 9.3x62 or .375 H&H ? [Re: cchunter]
      #6682 - 09/01/04 11:28 AM

Well my dealer called CZ USA today. They have a 9.3x62 but its the American version (straight comb, no sights), not the Lux (hog back stock, iron sights and rings, different forend). 8-12 weeks to get one like I want

So, back to looking around I guess.

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Re: 9.3x62 or .375 H&H ? [Re: Crazyquik]
      #6704 - 09/01/04 06:27 PM

My advice to you would be to look at the Winchester mod 70 Safari, Pre 64 which is a great gun to a fairly good price over in US. I have this one in 375H&H and I just love it......

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Re: 9.3x62 or .375 H&H ? [Re: cchunter]
      #6781 - 11/01/04 02:20 PM

I went to a gun show today and looked at a used Whitworth in .375 H&H (*cough* NitroX *cough*). I think he was asking $675 or so for it, but that was negotiable of course.

Any comments? I doubt it will sell at this show, and the same guy will be back in a few weeks at another.

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Re: 9.3x62 or .375 H&H ? [Re: Crazyquik]
      #6792 - 11/01/04 04:13 PM

Email Keith at the following site i`m bloody sure he will find you a 9.3 at the right price buddy.Keith and i hunted in the same hound team many years ago and he moves some of the finest guns in Oz.
http://www.mcdonaldsgunshop.com.au/


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Re: 9.3x62 or .375 H&H ? [Re: Crazyquik]
      #6801 - 11/01/04 08:01 PM

Crazyquik

Check over the Whitworth and it it seems OK it sounds like a good buy. I think they had variable quality control and most are fine, well made, classic styled rifles. Mikeh416rigby has one too and he had no problems

Price seems very good by Aussie standards (ie US$ I assume).


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Re: 9.3x62 or .375 H&H ? [Re: NitroX]
      #6806 - 12/01/04 01:33 AM

Yes, that's US dollars.

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Re: 9.3x62 or .375 H&H ? [Re: Crazyquik]
      #6819 - 12/01/04 08:50 AM

John old mate so it wont hurt as much at todays rate its only$6310.37 aussie bucks mate

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Re: 9.3x62 or .375 H&H ? [Re: gryphon]
      #6847 - 12/01/04 02:09 PM

Where were the Whitworth's made? Were they made in Czechoslovakia or England or where? Are they Zastava Mauser actions, and then assembled and stocked in England?

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Re: 9.3x62 or .375 H&H ? [Re: Crazyquik]
      #7552 - 27/01/04 05:52 PM

I sold a bunch of the earlier Whitworths back in the late 1970's or early 1980's; I don't exactly remember the years. I believe they were assembled in England from the CZ parts, possibly with English made stocks.

What I can tell you is that they are very good for the money. My present 375's are a Sako Safari Grade and a MarkX Alaskan. I stubbed my toe in not buying a Whitworth to replace its cheaper brother, Mark X, for $600.00 WITH a 1.5X5 Leupold...! I tried to beat the owner down another $50.00, and the guy next to me at the gun show laughed and pulled out the $600.00.

Every Interarms 375 I have shot(about 10 in all) has scratched the brass quite a bit. This was the only thing I could find fault with, however, and can be fixed by any decent gunsmith with a little stoning & polishing.

$675.00 is about the going rate for one. Be sure to check the stock for cracks! Take the barreled action out of the stock and LOOK!. If the seller won't let you, do not buy the gun. They tend to crack right near the bolt handle...forgot to mention that. If it is in nice condition in general, it is probably OK. Be sure to glass the action to prevent stock cracking. They ARE prone to that in the Whitworth configuration...not so in the rather clubby Mark X.

My Mark X shoots as tight as the Sako. I hope this helps.

Oh...the question 9,3x62 vs. 375 H&H...get one of each; its only money...

I shoot several 9,3x74r's in double rifles and in a 12/9,3 combo, and I shoot the 375's. The 9,3x74r and 9,3x62 have the same ballistics and get the job done on heavy thin skinned game. I have even taken cape buffalo with the caliber, but don't advise repeating that mistake.

For the most practical and useful caliber in the world, select the 375 H&H. It has so many dimensions to it and is legal for big five in most of Africa.

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Re: Help me decide: 9.3x62 or .375 H&H [Re: Crazyquik]
      #7553 - 27/01/04 05:58 PM

Also, about headspace...It can be something to keep close tabs on, just like reloading the 35 Whalen (there is a good option, instead of the 9,3x62, by the way). The best solution if you only shoot one gun in that caliber is to neck size, only...also extends brass life.

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Re: Help me decide: 9.3x62 or .375 H&H [Re: luv2safari]
      #7578 - 28/01/04 10:02 AM

I shoot both and have shot a lot of game including Buffalo with both the 375 and 9.3x62..both are excellent.

The 375 is the more practical and the most powerful of the two anyway you cut it and can be loaded down to duplicate the 9.3x62 and still have a better cross section of bullet, and that spells killing power....

But in your situation based on your post I would go with the wonderful 9.3x62 in a nice light trim slim rifle with at least a 24 inch barrel..The 9.3x62 needs a little boost in velocity IMO and I shoot a 26 inch skinny gun and I love it....

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Re: Help me decide: 9.3x62 or .375 H&H [Re: atkinson6]
      #7621 - 28/01/04 05:32 PM

I don't shoot a 9,3x62, but do shoot a 35 Whalen a bit...much the same characteristics. Ray is dead on about the longer barrels giving much better performance!

Shoot heavier bullets with medium to slow burning rate powders (not too slow, however), and that 9,3x62 will try real hard to be a 375 H&H...without the weight and recoil. What it slams into won't be able to tell whether it was a 375 or 9,3 that just snuffed it.

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Re: Help me decide: 9.3x62 or .375 H&H [Re: Crazyquik]
      #15945 - 18/06/04 11:41 PM

Hi I'm new to this website and from Brisbane, Australia.

If you're still yet to make a decision, you might like to consider the 375 (375/338) Chatfield-Taylor. I have one built on a Ruger M77. Although, being a wildcat, it is a bit more involved than just buying a factory rifle off the shelf, but the conversion is pretty straight forward for a gunsmith who has the reamer (I can recommend a gunsmith in Australia). It has the advantage of being able to be accommodated on a standard (30-06) length action and a shorter bolt throw than a magnum action. The ballistics are equivalent to 375 H&H or better.

Mine shot a 3 shot group just over 1" today at 100 yards using Hornady 270 gr spire points at about standard 375 H&H factory loads. Cases are easily form from 338Win Mag brass.

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Re: Help me decide: 9.3x62 or .375 H&H [Re: magnum308]
      #15946 - 19/06/04 12:12 AM

Beauty of the 375 H&H is availability world wide, and of course huge flexability. I have a double in it and am working up loads for bullets ranging from 235 to 350 grains!

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Re: 9.3x62 or .375 H&H ? [Re: Crazyquik]
      #23295 - 03/01/05 08:37 PM

Crazy Quick,

I have both cz's in 9.3 and .375. I feel the .375 probably is a little more specialised but it is a great all rounder to.

I had to have both and I could not choose between the two............my cz 9.3 is the lux model and I like it a lot. Here it is below. Currently I am shooting 270 gr speers in lapua brass but will change to woodleigh's when these are done.

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Re: Help me decide: 9.3x62 or .375 H&H [Re: Crazyquik]
      #23328 - 04/01/05 01:33 AM

In reply to:

I've found some pricing and such, and it seems that the .375 H&H will be about 200 more, and I'm trying to justify if it's worth that.





If you buy that 9.3 you'll say the rest of your life.....for ONLY $200 more I could have had a real gun.....a .375 H&H

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Re: Help me decide: 9.3x62 or .375 H&H [Re: Crazyquik]
      #26072 - 11/02/05 05:36 AM

Crazyquik. I noticed no one has mentioned the 9.3X64- a fatter version of the 9.3X62. If you are interested in a 9.3 rifle with the same power as the 375H&H, the 9.3X64 is the cartridge. I've had one for a dozen years or so (custom built on a FN action). A gunsmith can rechamber a 9.3X62 to the larger cartridge. I've only shot whitetails with mine (reduced loads using 9.3X62 data) but it will drive a 286gr. bullet at 2700fps. Ammo is not found at most gun shops and it is expensive. (I reload, so that is not a major problem for me). But if you want something a little different and are a reloader, it is something to consider.

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Re: Help me decide: 9.3x62 or .375 H&H [Re: vapodog]
      #26205 - 12/02/05 06:10 PM

Just ordered a CZ 550 LS in 9.3x62 myself, I've fired the Lux version and loved it, mild recoil and report for the power that it puts out, 2 week wait it's gonna be a long one!! I already own a Model 70 375 H&H and it's a fine combo for anything in the world, ammo and components are much cheaper also.

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Re: Help me decide: 9.3x62 or .375 H&H [Re: Crazyquik]
      #26225 - 13/02/05 08:23 AM

Crazyquick, I have the carbine 550 in 9.3X62.. I like short handy rifles and love full stocked guns, but hate that humpback. Mine shoots 3/4" groups all day long at 100yds vel 2400fps 286gr Woodleigh PP and Norma Oryx using Varget and Hodgens max data.. I also shoot extensive .375 H&H.. it sounds from your description of what your looking for the 9.3 would be the way to go, the .375 would be more versitile as it seems after 250yds the 9.3 drops like a stone and the .375 carry's on further.. I was able to take a very fine Sable in Zim at 300yds (later measured with lazer) with my .375 and a tree for a rest with no hesitation, In retrospect I would have to think pretty hard if I had been carrying a 9.3X62.. Aww, what the hell, most likely I would have went for it and put the crosshairs at the withers instead of the center shoulder.. I guess if you could only have one I would get the .375.... A .375 can do anything the 9.3 can do, but the 9.3 can't do all a .375 can do..450Dakota

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