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darkgael
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definition, please.
      #65055 - 02/11/06 02:31 AM

I know what "regulation" is for double rifles. I have come upon the term "semi-regulated" (Pedersoli) but no satisfactory definition.
Anyone?
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Pete

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tinker
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Re: definition, please. [Re: darkgael]
      #65071 - 02/11/06 04:29 AM

First and foremost, Welcome to the site!



Now about the language...
That means "not regulated"
(but you might get lucky with one anyway)



Similarly, one cannot be 'Semi Dead' or 'Semi Pregnant'



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Double_Trouble
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Re: definition, please. [Re: tinker]
      #65072 - 02/11/06 04:33 AM

LMAO!
that pretty much sums it up !
there is more knowledge on this site than you can shake a stick at!

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darkgael
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Re: definition, please. [Re: Double_Trouble]
      #65075 - 02/11/06 05:39 AM

Thank you. Makes sense.
Pete

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DUGABOY1
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Re: definition, please. [Re: darkgael]
      #65165 - 03/11/06 02:38 AM

In reply to:

I know what "regulation" is for double rifles. I have come upon the term "semi-regulated" (Pedersoli) but no satisfactory definition. Anyone?
Thanks,
Pete




The description "NOT REGULATED" posted here is not quite accurate. "SIMI-REGULATED" means the rifle barrel sets was soldered together in a jig. This sometimes works perfectly, and sometimes not. Even when it doesn't work perfectly, it is closer than simply soldering them side by side! I own a couple of Pedersolis, and have fired several others, both with factory chamberings, and re-chambered ones, and I've found them to never be far off tight regulation. Of course I simply could have been lucky! My first one was a Trail Guns Armory Pedersoli Kodiak 45-70 that was the 134th rifle made. It was ordered two years before they were available to the public. It cost $900 USD. It regulated both barrels in a 2" group @ 100 yds with Winchester 350 gr ammo, and placed the bullets the same with my Ruger No 1 load that was fairly hot, in the same group with 400 gr bullets. That rifle was re-chambered to 458 RCBS, and full house loads still print 2" groups at 100 yds! The widest group I've experienced with a Pedersoli is 4 1/2" for four shots at 100 yds with 400 gr bullets in handloads, but factory ammo shot to point of aim,and a little tighter, with a group 1" less in size.

The barrels are left quite heavy, and that is one reason the rifles shoot fairly well with the barrels soldered in a jig, the front weight dampens the muzzle flip some what. They are hard to re-regulate, because they are Silver Brazed together, not soft soldered.

The newer ones are better finished than the old origenals. These rifles were commisioned by the late Col. Mike Powasnic, owner of the now defunct TRAIL GUNS ARMORY of League City, Texas, back in the early 80s. The rifles are a replica of the 1878 Colt double rifle.
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Re: definition, please. [Re: darkgael]
      #65169 - 03/11/06 02:50 AM

Pete:

What part of PA are you from?

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tinker
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Re: definition, please. [Re: DUGABOY1]
      #65200 - 03/11/06 05:59 AM

Mac-

Good note.
I've been waiting to see -in the flesh- one of these Pedersoli SxS rifles that actually shoots well.
I've seen from time to time reports of accurate, regulated Pedersoli double rifles, and wonder when one will surface at a range or hunting trip when I'm there to see it.

Over the past few years I've seen somewhere around five or six of them in this part of the world and have heard of a couple of others.
I just haven't seen one of them put both barrels in the same group over the same sight -- I think the best shooting one I've seen puts the barrel groups three inches apart side to side and six inches apart vertically.

Also, about half of them had issues with the hammers not properly aligning with the firing pins or problems with the firing pins binding in their collets or in the actions -- all of those had firing pin holes that were eccentric to the bushing bores.

I don't have much of a great attitude about them, and for the sake of the guys I've seen with them out this way, am envious of y'all who ended up with good shooting rifles.


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darkgael
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Re: definition, please. [Re: clark7781]
      #65265 - 04/11/06 09:12 AM

Clark: I am in Sweet Valley. Draw a line on a map between Wilkes-Barre and Williamsport and I'm about half-way along that.
Pete

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Re: definition, please. [Re: darkgael]
      #65266 - 04/11/06 09:57 AM

Dark:

The reason I asked is because I am heading home (to PA) for Thanksgiving and early on Thansgiving morning my father and MAYBE some of his friends (who also have Double Rifles) are going to go shooting near Fogelville, PA with our Doubles. I'm bringing my .500 NE and .577 NE. (Fogelsville is about 1.5 hours for you [and about an hour and 10 minutes for me]).

If you are interested, let me know and I will fill you in with more details. I will probably also post the info here on NE and on AccurateReloading.com for anyone else to come along for a fun shoot.

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darkgael
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Re: definition, please. [Re: clark7781]
      #65469 - 08/11/06 02:23 AM

Clark: Thank you, that is a very hospitable offer. Alas, I will be in Taunton, Mass. for Thanksgiving - a longstanding family get-together.
Again, thanks.
Pete

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