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Chasseur
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9.3x64
      #6394 - 02/01/04 11:29 AM

Question:

I shoot a 9.3x74r and a 9.3x62. My brother in law enjoys the 9.3x62 and was looking at getting a CZ. He is curious about the 9.3x64. I don't have any first hand experience with this wonderful cartridge, does anyone have any? I know some says its up there with the 375, what do you guys think about it?

Does anyone make barrels and actions for them? Chambering dies?



Are the few ones made only done by custom makers?

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Re: 9.3x64 [Re: Chasseur]
      #6404 - 03/01/04 12:57 AM

Chasseur,

I have a Franconia Jadg (whatever that means in English !!!) 9.3 x 64 Bolt Action on a M98 Action.

Fantastic Gun - bought it as it was offered to me cheap in vitually mint condition. I didn't know what I was buying
buy a mate said buy it - this was before I really got into buying / collecting guns. The 2 mates I asked had 9.3 x 62's
and they liked them but the 9.3 x 64 is DEFINATELY a step up - so much so one of my mates had one built. It IS the equivalent
of a 375H&H - which is why it is legal in nearly all African countries.

Anyway, it kills fine - Have shot heaps of different bullets at heaps of Large Game (Buffalo - and some Pigs)

Dies and Cases are easy to come by. If you get the chance to buy or build one, do so.

Hope this helps - Post again if you have any more queries.

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Re: 9.3x64 [Re: 500Nitro]
      #6445 - 03/01/04 09:14 PM

500 Nitro
I am the friend in question and based on my readings and the responses Chasseur received on a few other forums, I am HOOKED. I have build one custom gun a little 7mm-08 based on a little Remington Action. It looks and most importantly works great! However it’s now time to build her a big brother. I greatly enjoy the 9.3x62 however I want more (to a point one can never have too much horsepower.) Money is something of an issue and I would rather build a 9.3x64 than buy the weapon, do you or anyone else know who sells barreled action, or better anyone who sells chambering dies. Any advice on what type of receiver would be best? Thanks to all for any advice you could give.
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Re: 9.3x64 [Re: Hauptjäger]
      #6518 - 04/01/04 11:03 PM


Hauptjäger,

I only know people here who can build guns or chamber and screw in New Barrels.
Barrel blanks in 9.3 and Chambered Barrels are sold by quite a few manufacturers - especially in the US.

Would suggest buy a Chambered barrel - I can't see any point in having to buy a chambering Reamer

Relaoding Dies from Huntington's, CH4D + others
Brass from Bell, Horneber, RWS (if you can find any)

I would suggest using M98 Action or a Win Mod 70 - however for a DGR I tend to prefer
CRF M98's or equivalent.

If you need more info, post again and I'll do some checking.

500 Nitro

PS - "to a point one can never have too much horsepower" - I totally agree - .500 calibre and above Anyday !!!

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Re: 9.3x64 [Re: 500Nitro]
      #6529 - 05/01/04 10:24 AM

In reply to:

Franconia Jadg (whatever that means in English !!!)



500nitro

"Jagd" means hunt, hunting etc

"Franconia" is a province or state of Germany in the Central West area.

It is a rifle made or purchased and rebadged by the "Franconia Jagd" chain of sporting retail stores in Germany.



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500Nitro
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Re: 9.3x64 [Re: NitroX]
      #6546 - 05/01/04 11:34 PM


NitroX,

Thanks for that. I have a couple of old retailers catalogues from around the world
and the guns (Franconia Jadg) are mentioned in that but nothing on who made them.

Because it is not an "OLDE" English gun I have never got round to doing any research on it
and busy doing other more important research.

Anyway, thanks again.

500 Nitro

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Re: 9.3x64 [Re: 500Nitro]
      #6998 - 16/01/04 05:35 AM

It is a shame the 9.3X64 isn't more popular than it is. It suffered in the early years from the ammo makers loading it with a light, and fragile bullet, simply to gain speed to impress the unschooled. The resultant failiers on game in Africa turned people off it. The 9.3X62, however was loaded with proper bullets, and it was the choice of the two that folks went to! Too bad, because the 9.3X64 is every bit as usefull as the 375 H&H, when proper bullets are utilized. the Woodliegh 320 gr softs, and solids are a perfect match for this rifle in real terms!

I like all the 9.3 rounds, and wish they were more popular in the USA! There is a bit of a problem with getting good componants or loaded ammo for any of them here!

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Re: 9.3x64 [Re: DUGABOY1]
      #7018 - 16/01/04 03:01 PM

I hear you the 9.3x64 is “all that”! I have tried most of the “good/big” gun shops in Dallas and not a one carries the 64 or ammo. They all try to push the .338 which I have no love for or need of. I have been able to find people who will chamber a barrel for me, and per my other post on CRF, I know that an M98 is the action of choice. Although I am hearing that there is an issue about the bolt face…however no one had been able to explain it to me. The point is I can build a BG weapon in 9.3x64 I’m just not sure that I can get ammo or components.

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Re: 9.3x64 [Re: Hauptjäger]
      #7050 - 17/01/04 06:59 PM

The issue of the boltface is nothing to worry about, as any resonably good gunsmith can enlarge the boltface of a controlled feed action like the M98 Mauser. (pushfeed actions are more difficult to enlarge.) The base diameter of the 9.3x64 are only 0.504, compared to .470 of the .30-06, and smaller than the .375 H&H at 0.513. I have seen a lot of normal length M98's converted to shoot .375 and .300 magnums, and four 9.3x64's build on standard Mauser M98 actions. ( I know of a lot more). The ammo seem to be more of an issue, as we also cannot get regular supplies of RWS ammo in South Africa. (RWS ammo are not my first choice, as their bullets are too fragile, and they have discontinued their solids in 9.3) I use locally made brass from Stewart Custom-made Brass & Bullet shop, at about US$2.5 per case. RCBS makes dies, and Swift A-frame makes a exellent 300gr bullet. For smaller game , the Nosler Partition in the traditional 286gr will be an excelent choice.

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Re: 9.3x64 [Re: Ndumo]
      #7065 - 18/01/04 04:00 PM

Ndumo
I now feel very confident the can build the project and at a good price. It just seems that ammo is the bugg-a-boo. Does anyone other than RWS make factory ammo or should I look into a reloading kit as part of the 9.3x64 package? I do not mind hand loading, as I have tried my hand at shotgun and some handgun ammo however I have, to date, never loaded rifle ammo. Do you know if the boys at Stewart Custom-made Brass & Bullet shop would ship brass to the US? Brass is also hard to find.

Would you reconsider the caliber choice to something a little more “every day?” To be honest the uniqueness of the 64-mm case and its sorted history is part of what draws for me to the caliber. Hell everyone has or can get a .375HH, but a 9.3x64 would be truly something different! By the way were you still willing to part with your loading data? If so Ill PM you my e-mail address. Thanks again.


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Re: 9.3x64 [Re: Hauptjäger]
      #7068 - 18/01/04 06:17 PM

As far as I know, only DWM & RWS ever loaded the ammo. (Wolfgang Romey might have started to load it as well.) Handloading is by far the best option for the 9.3x64. I will send you all reloading data I have, plus an article on Reloading the 9.3x64 that Iw rote in the Sept.'99 Magnum magazine. I mainly use my 9.3x64 to hunt in the bushveld regions, on anything from warthog to eland. Although I have never used it to hunt dangerous game, (a client used my 9.3 to shoot a nice old dagga boy this year), I am confident that it will work well on it with good quality bullets. (Because I normally hunt dangerous game as back-up, I prefer my .450 Rigby, but use my 9.3x64 on standby.)

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Re: 9.3x64 [Re: DUGABOY1]
      #7073 - 19/01/04 12:47 AM

In reply to:

Too bad, because the 9.3X64 is every bit as usefull as the 375 H&H, when proper bullets are utilized. the Woodliegh 320 gr softs, and solids are a perfect match for this rifle in real terms!



Mac,
I agree the Woodleigh bullets sure are good, but it might be worth pointing out that the 320 grain round nose types were designed for use in the 360 No2 at under 2200 fps.
The 9.3 x 64 handloads using 320 grainers would be capable of considerably higher velocity than the 360 No2.

The solution for the 9.3 x 64 softpoint would be to use the Woodleigh 320 grain "Protected Point" bullet (rather than the roundnose) for a couple of reasons.

First, the 320 gn 9.3 PP bullet is designed for a higher velocity of up to 2600 fps as compared to 2200 fps for the round nose soft point.

Second, the Protected Point bullet will not suffer any tip damage in the rifles magazine during recoil.

And third, the semi spitzer front on the Protected Point bullet will most likely provide a better feed from magazine into chamber with a bolt action rifle.

The Protected Point Woodleigh bullets are also "weldcore" type and have their core soldered to the jacket just the same as the Woodleigh round nose style.

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Re: 9.3x64 [Re: 4seventy]
      #7099 - 19/01/04 03:29 PM

The Woodleighs are tough enough in the 320 solids, too. I particularly like the 320 protected points.

It is not hard to rechamber a 9,3x62 and open the bolt face to accomodate a 9,3x64. The only problem I find with the caliber is finding brass...doesn't grow on trees...

In my opinion, it is a more flexible caliber than the 375 and can be made to shoot real flat. With the good QR scope mounts out now, one can carry two scopes over...one sighted for the 320's and one for some hot Nosler 250 ballistic tips. Then, you have an adaquate big game gun that is also a very flat shooting plains game gun.

Oh-oh...I just talked myself into having one made up for me. Hell, its only money...

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Re: 9.3x64 [Re: Chasseur]
      #7305 - 23/01/04 01:45 PM

Yyyeee-Hhhaaa! I have found a source of Brass!!!!!! Huntingtions of California.
Huntington's
They seem to have a good selection of hard to find brass, and they even have the actually have the elusive 9.3x64 and the price that seems about right. ($33.98 for 20) Is this price about right for the US? Will other companies ship into the US?

In any advent the Rifle is on! Today is a very good day!


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Re: 9.3x64 [Re: Hauptjäger]
      #7323 - 24/01/04 03:15 AM

Glad you foune some brass!!! I like the selection Huntington has, I use them from time to time.



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Re: 9.3x64 [Re: Chasseur]
      #7336 - 24/01/04 05:54 AM

I am fortunate to live near enough to Huntington's to drive down there once in a while. I am also fortunate to live East of the People's Republik of Kalifornia...best of both worlds!

They have a great store, but not like it was in the days when Fred Huntington was alive. RCBS went into the crapper after he sold out. I hope his son, Fred, will keep the tradition alive in the retail store.

Huntington's has always been responsive to my, and my friends' requests. They are the best "first place" to try for a reloader seeking the unusual or exotic. What is usual for a small group of us, is not what moves fast out the merchant's door. We need to support firms like Huntington's and buy some everyday type goods from them, as well as the hard to get stuf.

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Re: 9.3x64 [Re: luv2safari]
      #7399 - 24/01/04 03:33 PM

In reply to:

Huntington's has always been responsive to my, and my friends' requests. They are the best "first place" to try for a reloader seeking the unusual or exotic. What is usual for a small group of us, is not what moves fast out the merchant's door. We need to support firms like Huntington's and buy some everyday type goods from them, as well as the hard to get stuf.



Huntington's will receive my Business! I called today and they had just received a new shipment of Graf Hornaday 9.3x64 brass (100 for $27) I am impressed!

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Re: 9.3x64 [Re: Hauptjäger]
      #7609 - 28/01/04 03:13 PM

4seventy,

I have used the 320 gr. Woodlieghs in both the 9.3x62 and the 9.3x64 on Buffalo. I have observed it used in the 9.3x74 on Buffalo and it reacted about the same in all cases..The bonded cores have changed the way things work IMO....They do expand to a great degree and stop on the off side skin as a rule...in all three calibers...

It is my preferred elk, Bison, and Cape Buffalo load with 57 grs of RL-15 or a stiff load of H-414 in my 9.3x62..I get perfect expansion out of my 26" barrel at about 2400 FPS....They also stabilize quite well..I tested them for Geoff McDonald as he had not used them at such velocity but thought they would do well if they would stabilize...

I also worked with him on the development of the 350 gr 375 and 450 gr. 416 which I also field tested in Africa on Buffalo last year...They stabilize well and are a bloody hammer on Buffalo...The PP is tougher than the RN btw, but both worked very well indeed....for what its worth.

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Re: 9.3x64 [Re: atkinson6]
      #7612 - 28/01/04 03:22 PM

I see a lot of posts on this thread touting highly that the 320 gr. PP is a much better bullet than the 320 gr RN in the 9.3...

Would someone show me where Woodleigh makes a PP in the 320 gr. bullet...As for as I know they only make a RN and a FMJ bullet, and as a matter of fact Woodligh does not make a PP in the 9.3 caliber...

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Re: 9.3x64 [Re: atkinson6]
      #7614 - 28/01/04 03:31 PM


In reply to:

Would someone show me where Woodleigh makes a PP in the 320 gr. bullet...As for as I know they only make a RN and a FMJ bullet, and as a matter of fact Woodligh does not make a PP in the 9.3 caliber




Ray,
Wanna bet?
Do you still have that $100?

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Re: 9.3x64 [Re: atkinson6]
      #7615 - 28/01/04 03:31 PM

Ray
I think that a 320 gr. Woodliegh in a 9.3x64 would be quite a Rocker! About how much energy would you receive at the muzzle and how would the bullet carry down range? I think that the 320gr. Would be a great brown bear bullet. Who has the best prices of Woodliegh bullets in 9.3? Thanks for the Info.


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Re: 9.3x64 [Re: atkinson6]
      #7618 - 28/01/04 04:29 PM

Ray,

I have 2 boxes of Woodleigh PP 320gr. Would you like one?
Go to www.midwayusa.com to find them. They have a good selection of Woodleighs, but are closing out many of what they have...slow movers.

The 320 gr PP stock # at Midway is: 920564. They are on back order...I bought all they had, that's why. I have a box of the 320 solids, too. They are printing about where the PP's are in the Valmet/Tikka 412 barrels...Not as well in the Merkel...Maybe I'll try the RN's...

Right now they have good prices on close outs: 375,408,416,423,458,474 in various configurations.

Look in "Inventory Reduction"...bullets and brass at pretty good prices...

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Re: 9.3x64 [Re: luv2safari]
      #7666 - 29/01/04 05:44 AM

The Woodleigh catalog does not list a 320 gr. PP nor does Huntingtons catalog....???????? I called Midway and the said they didn't have any??

Yes I would like a box or two of them if they exist!! Would you be so kind as to part with some??

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Re: 9.3x64 [Re: atkinson6]
      #7668 - 29/01/04 05:59 AM

4seventy,
Nope I am saving that $100 bill for you when you send me a photo of that double with the riflings ironed out to the outside, aw heck make it $200...

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Re: 9.3x64 [Re: atkinson6]
      #7702 - 29/01/04 10:05 AM

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4seventy,
Nope I am saving that $100 bill for you when you send me a photo of that double with the riflings ironed out to the outside, aw heck make it $200...



Ray,
Don't recall ever claiming that I had such a photo but if I do ever find one I'll be happy to swap it for 200 US dollars.


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