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Chasseur
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9.3x64
      #6394 - 02/01/04 11:29 AM

Question:

I shoot a 9.3x74r and a 9.3x62. My brother in law enjoys the 9.3x62 and was looking at getting a CZ. He is curious about the 9.3x64. I don't have any first hand experience with this wonderful cartridge, does anyone have any? I know some says its up there with the 375, what do you guys think about it?

Does anyone make barrels and actions for them? Chambering dies?



Are the few ones made only done by custom makers?

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Re: 9.3x64 [Re: Chasseur]
      #6404 - 03/01/04 12:57 AM

Chasseur,

I have a Franconia Jadg (whatever that means in English !!!) 9.3 x 64 Bolt Action on a M98 Action.

Fantastic Gun - bought it as it was offered to me cheap in vitually mint condition. I didn't know what I was buying
buy a mate said buy it - this was before I really got into buying / collecting guns. The 2 mates I asked had 9.3 x 62's
and they liked them but the 9.3 x 64 is DEFINATELY a step up - so much so one of my mates had one built. It IS the equivalent
of a 375H&H - which is why it is legal in nearly all African countries.

Anyway, it kills fine - Have shot heaps of different bullets at heaps of Large Game (Buffalo - and some Pigs)

Dies and Cases are easy to come by. If you get the chance to buy or build one, do so.

Hope this helps - Post again if you have any more queries.

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Re: 9.3x64 [Re: 500Nitro]
      #6445 - 03/01/04 09:14 PM

500 Nitro
I am the friend in question and based on my readings and the responses Chasseur received on a few other forums, I am HOOKED. I have build one custom gun a little 7mm-08 based on a little Remington Action. It looks and most importantly works great! However it’s now time to build her a big brother. I greatly enjoy the 9.3x62 however I want more (to a point one can never have too much horsepower.) Money is something of an issue and I would rather build a 9.3x64 than buy the weapon, do you or anyone else know who sells barreled action, or better anyone who sells chambering dies. Any advice on what type of receiver would be best? Thanks to all for any advice you could give.
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Re: 9.3x64 [Re: Hauptjäger]
      #6518 - 04/01/04 11:03 PM


Hauptjäger,

I only know people here who can build guns or chamber and screw in New Barrels.
Barrel blanks in 9.3 and Chambered Barrels are sold by quite a few manufacturers - especially in the US.

Would suggest buy a Chambered barrel - I can't see any point in having to buy a chambering Reamer

Relaoding Dies from Huntington's, CH4D + others
Brass from Bell, Horneber, RWS (if you can find any)

I would suggest using M98 Action or a Win Mod 70 - however for a DGR I tend to prefer
CRF M98's or equivalent.

If you need more info, post again and I'll do some checking.

500 Nitro

PS - "to a point one can never have too much horsepower" - I totally agree - .500 calibre and above Anyday !!!

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Re: 9.3x64 [Re: 500Nitro]
      #6529 - 05/01/04 10:24 AM

In reply to:

Franconia Jadg (whatever that means in English !!!)



500nitro

"Jagd" means hunt, hunting etc

"Franconia" is a province or state of Germany in the Central West area.

It is a rifle made or purchased and rebadged by the "Franconia Jagd" chain of sporting retail stores in Germany.



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Re: 9.3x64 [Re: NitroX]
      #6546 - 05/01/04 11:34 PM


NitroX,

Thanks for that. I have a couple of old retailers catalogues from around the world
and the guns (Franconia Jadg) are mentioned in that but nothing on who made them.

Because it is not an "OLDE" English gun I have never got round to doing any research on it
and busy doing other more important research.

Anyway, thanks again.

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Re: 9.3x64 [Re: 500Nitro]
      #6998 - 16/01/04 05:35 AM

It is a shame the 9.3X64 isn't more popular than it is. It suffered in the early years from the ammo makers loading it with a light, and fragile bullet, simply to gain speed to impress the unschooled. The resultant failiers on game in Africa turned people off it. The 9.3X62, however was loaded with proper bullets, and it was the choice of the two that folks went to! Too bad, because the 9.3X64 is every bit as usefull as the 375 H&H, when proper bullets are utilized. the Woodliegh 320 gr softs, and solids are a perfect match for this rifle in real terms!

I like all the 9.3 rounds, and wish they were more popular in the USA! There is a bit of a problem with getting good componants or loaded ammo for any of them here!

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Re: 9.3x64 [Re: DUGABOY1]
      #7018 - 16/01/04 03:01 PM

I hear you the 9.3x64 is “all that”! I have tried most of the “good/big” gun shops in Dallas and not a one carries the 64 or ammo. They all try to push the .338 which I have no love for or need of. I have been able to find people who will chamber a barrel for me, and per my other post on CRF, I know that an M98 is the action of choice. Although I am hearing that there is an issue about the bolt face…however no one had been able to explain it to me. The point is I can build a BG weapon in 9.3x64 I’m just not sure that I can get ammo or components.

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Re: 9.3x64 [Re: Hauptjäger]
      #7050 - 17/01/04 06:59 PM

The issue of the boltface is nothing to worry about, as any resonably good gunsmith can enlarge the boltface of a controlled feed action like the M98 Mauser. (pushfeed actions are more difficult to enlarge.) The base diameter of the 9.3x64 are only 0.504, compared to .470 of the .30-06, and smaller than the .375 H&H at 0.513. I have seen a lot of normal length M98's converted to shoot .375 and .300 magnums, and four 9.3x64's build on standard Mauser M98 actions. ( I know of a lot more). The ammo seem to be more of an issue, as we also cannot get regular supplies of RWS ammo in South Africa. (RWS ammo are not my first choice, as their bullets are too fragile, and they have discontinued their solids in 9.3) I use locally made brass from Stewart Custom-made Brass & Bullet shop, at about US$2.5 per case. RCBS makes dies, and Swift A-frame makes a exellent 300gr bullet. For smaller game , the Nosler Partition in the traditional 286gr will be an excelent choice.

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Re: 9.3x64 [Re: Ndumo]
      #7065 - 18/01/04 04:00 PM

Ndumo
I now feel very confident the can build the project and at a good price. It just seems that ammo is the bugg-a-boo. Does anyone other than RWS make factory ammo or should I look into a reloading kit as part of the 9.3x64 package? I do not mind hand loading, as I have tried my hand at shotgun and some handgun ammo however I have, to date, never loaded rifle ammo. Do you know if the boys at Stewart Custom-made Brass & Bullet shop would ship brass to the US? Brass is also hard to find.

Would you reconsider the caliber choice to something a little more “every day?” To be honest the uniqueness of the 64-mm case and its sorted history is part of what draws for me to the caliber. Hell everyone has or can get a .375HH, but a 9.3x64 would be truly something different! By the way were you still willing to part with your loading data? If so Ill PM you my e-mail address. Thanks again.


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Re: 9.3x64 [Re: Hauptjäger]
      #7068 - 18/01/04 06:17 PM

As far as I know, only DWM & RWS ever loaded the ammo. (Wolfgang Romey might have started to load it as well.) Handloading is by far the best option for the 9.3x64. I will send you all reloading data I have, plus an article on Reloading the 9.3x64 that Iw rote in the Sept.'99 Magnum magazine. I mainly use my 9.3x64 to hunt in the bushveld regions, on anything from warthog to eland. Although I have never used it to hunt dangerous game, (a client used my 9.3 to shoot a nice old dagga boy this year), I am confident that it will work well on it with good quality bullets. (Because I normally hunt dangerous game as back-up, I prefer my .450 Rigby, but use my 9.3x64 on standby.)

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Re: 9.3x64 [Re: DUGABOY1]
      #7073 - 19/01/04 12:47 AM

In reply to:

Too bad, because the 9.3X64 is every bit as usefull as the 375 H&H, when proper bullets are utilized. the Woodliegh 320 gr softs, and solids are a perfect match for this rifle in real terms!



Mac,
I agree the Woodleigh bullets sure are good, but it might be worth pointing out that the 320 grain round nose types were designed for use in the 360 No2 at under 2200 fps.
The 9.3 x 64 handloads using 320 grainers would be capable of considerably higher velocity than the 360 No2.

The solution for the 9.3 x 64 softpoint would be to use the Woodleigh 320 grain "Protected Point" bullet (rather than the roundnose) for a couple of reasons.

First, the 320 gn 9.3 PP bullet is designed for a higher velocity of up to 2600 fps as compared to 2200 fps for the round nose soft point.

Second, the Protected Point bullet will not suffer any tip damage in the rifles magazine during recoil.

And third, the semi spitzer front on the Protected Point bullet will most likely provide a better feed from magazine into chamber with a bolt action rifle.

The Protected Point Woodleigh bullets are also "weldcore" type and have their core soldered to the jacket just the same as the Woodleigh round nose style.

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Re: 9.3x64 [Re: 4seventy]
      #7099 - 19/01/04 03:29 PM

The Woodleighs are tough enough in the 320 solids, too. I particularly like the 320 protected points.

It is not hard to rechamber a 9,3x62 and open the bolt face to accomodate a 9,3x64. The only problem I find with the caliber is finding brass...doesn't grow on trees...

In my opinion, it is a more flexible caliber than the 375 and can be made to shoot real flat. With the good QR scope mounts out now, one can carry two scopes over...one sighted for the 320's and one for some hot Nosler 250 ballistic tips. Then, you have an adaquate big game gun that is also a very flat shooting plains game gun.

Oh-oh...I just talked myself into having one made up for me. Hell, its only money...

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Re: 9.3x64 [Re: Chasseur]
      #7305 - 23/01/04 01:45 PM

Yyyeee-Hhhaaa! I have found a source of Brass!!!!!! Huntingtions of California.
Huntington's
They seem to have a good selection of hard to find brass, and they even have the actually have the elusive 9.3x64 and the price that seems about right. ($33.98 for 20) Is this price about right for the US? Will other companies ship into the US?

In any advent the Rifle is on! Today is a very good day!


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Re: 9.3x64 [Re: Hauptjäger]
      #7323 - 24/01/04 03:15 AM

Glad you foune some brass!!! I like the selection Huntington has, I use them from time to time.



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Re: 9.3x64 [Re: Chasseur]
      #7336 - 24/01/04 05:54 AM

I am fortunate to live near enough to Huntington's to drive down there once in a while. I am also fortunate to live East of the People's Republik of Kalifornia...best of both worlds!

They have a great store, but not like it was in the days when Fred Huntington was alive. RCBS went into the crapper after he sold out. I hope his son, Fred, will keep the tradition alive in the retail store.

Huntington's has always been responsive to my, and my friends' requests. They are the best "first place" to try for a reloader seeking the unusual or exotic. What is usual for a small group of us, is not what moves fast out the merchant's door. We need to support firms like Huntington's and buy some everyday type goods from them, as well as the hard to get stuf.

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Re: 9.3x64 [Re: luv2safari]
      #7399 - 24/01/04 03:33 PM

In reply to:

Huntington's has always been responsive to my, and my friends' requests. They are the best "first place" to try for a reloader seeking the unusual or exotic. What is usual for a small group of us, is not what moves fast out the merchant's door. We need to support firms like Huntington's and buy some everyday type goods from them, as well as the hard to get stuf.



Huntington's will receive my Business! I called today and they had just received a new shipment of Graf Hornaday 9.3x64 brass (100 for $27) I am impressed!

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Re: 9.3x64 [Re: Hauptjäger]
      #7609 - 28/01/04 03:13 PM

4seventy,

I have used the 320 gr. Woodlieghs in both the 9.3x62 and the 9.3x64 on Buffalo. I have observed it used in the 9.3x74 on Buffalo and it reacted about the same in all cases..The bonded cores have changed the way things work IMO....They do expand to a great degree and stop on the off side skin as a rule...in all three calibers...

It is my preferred elk, Bison, and Cape Buffalo load with 57 grs of RL-15 or a stiff load of H-414 in my 9.3x62..I get perfect expansion out of my 26" barrel at about 2400 FPS....They also stabilize quite well..I tested them for Geoff McDonald as he had not used them at such velocity but thought they would do well if they would stabilize...

I also worked with him on the development of the 350 gr 375 and 450 gr. 416 which I also field tested in Africa on Buffalo last year...They stabilize well and are a bloody hammer on Buffalo...The PP is tougher than the RN btw, but both worked very well indeed....for what its worth.

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Re: 9.3x64 [Re: atkinson6]
      #7612 - 28/01/04 03:22 PM

I see a lot of posts on this thread touting highly that the 320 gr. PP is a much better bullet than the 320 gr RN in the 9.3...

Would someone show me where Woodleigh makes a PP in the 320 gr. bullet...As for as I know they only make a RN and a FMJ bullet, and as a matter of fact Woodligh does not make a PP in the 9.3 caliber...

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Re: 9.3x64 [Re: atkinson6]
      #7614 - 28/01/04 03:31 PM


In reply to:

Would someone show me where Woodleigh makes a PP in the 320 gr. bullet...As for as I know they only make a RN and a FMJ bullet, and as a matter of fact Woodligh does not make a PP in the 9.3 caliber




Ray,
Wanna bet?
Do you still have that $100?

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Re: 9.3x64 [Re: atkinson6]
      #7615 - 28/01/04 03:31 PM

Ray
I think that a 320 gr. Woodliegh in a 9.3x64 would be quite a Rocker! About how much energy would you receive at the muzzle and how would the bullet carry down range? I think that the 320gr. Would be a great brown bear bullet. Who has the best prices of Woodliegh bullets in 9.3? Thanks for the Info.


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Re: 9.3x64 [Re: atkinson6]
      #7618 - 28/01/04 04:29 PM

Ray,

I have 2 boxes of Woodleigh PP 320gr. Would you like one?
Go to www.midwayusa.com to find them. They have a good selection of Woodleighs, but are closing out many of what they have...slow movers.

The 320 gr PP stock # at Midway is: 920564. They are on back order...I bought all they had, that's why. I have a box of the 320 solids, too. They are printing about where the PP's are in the Valmet/Tikka 412 barrels...Not as well in the Merkel...Maybe I'll try the RN's...

Right now they have good prices on close outs: 375,408,416,423,458,474 in various configurations.

Look in "Inventory Reduction"...bullets and brass at pretty good prices...

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Re: 9.3x64 [Re: luv2safari]
      #7666 - 29/01/04 05:44 AM

The Woodleigh catalog does not list a 320 gr. PP nor does Huntingtons catalog....???????? I called Midway and the said they didn't have any??

Yes I would like a box or two of them if they exist!! Would you be so kind as to part with some??

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Re: 9.3x64 [Re: atkinson6]
      #7668 - 29/01/04 05:59 AM

4seventy,
Nope I am saving that $100 bill for you when you send me a photo of that double with the riflings ironed out to the outside, aw heck make it $200...

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Re: 9.3x64 [Re: atkinson6]
      #7702 - 29/01/04 10:05 AM

In reply to:

4seventy,
Nope I am saving that $100 bill for you when you send me a photo of that double with the riflings ironed out to the outside, aw heck make it $200...



Ray,
Don't recall ever claiming that I had such a photo but if I do ever find one I'll be happy to swap it for 200 US dollars.


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Re: 9.3x64 [Re: atkinson6]
      #7705 - 29/01/04 10:12 AM

In reply to:

The Woodleigh catalog does not list a 320 gr. PP



Ray,
Sounds like you do not have a current catolog.
The latest one has a photo of Geoff on the front cover.
There are TWO PP bullets listed for 9.3.
A 320 grain and a 286 grain.

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Re: 9.3x64 [Re: atkinson6]
      #7709 - 29/01/04 10:46 AM

"I called Midway, and they don't have any..."

Ray, you old knucklehead...thats what "on Back order" means...I sure hope I don't get that bad when I get to your age.

I'll send you an end flap from one of my boxes...NO CHARGE!

If you do want a box, I'll part with one and send it up to you. Let me know.

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Re: 9.3x64 [Re: 4seventy]
      #7793 - 30/01/04 09:15 AM

4seventy,
yes, I know that, and in fact, you actually stated quit the opposite, I was just trying to get out of spending my money...

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Re: 9.3x64 [Re: atkinson6]
      #7795 - 30/01/04 09:32 AM

Well, since I feel sorry for all you old derelicts, I'll send one up...bullet that is. What, you thought it would be a whole box?

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Re: 9.3x64 [Re: luv2safari]
      #7887 - 31/01/04 05:31 AM

Luv2,
OK, beggers can't be choosers...This makes my day as the PP is a lot tougher bullet than the RN in Woodleighs, at least that has always been my experience...

the 350 gr. and 450 gr. 375 and 416s in PP configuration will shoot through any Buff at any decent angle, whereas the RN is prone to stop on the off side, albiet its the size of a golf ball in expansion and sure kills the heck out of Buffalo, but I sure like two holes and blood everywhere on the track....

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Re: 9.3x64 [Re: atkinson6]
      #7897 - 31/01/04 07:29 AM

Ray,
Any experience with the 350 Rhino .375? Maybe I'll take my 375 with two scopes and 285 Speer mag tips + 350 PP's and call it good enough. Second gun to be the Tikka 12/9,3 with 250 Noslers at 2500fps.

Get cracking on that 416 Fatkinson...err...Atkinson...!

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Re: 9.3x64 [Re: luv2safari]
      #7985 - 01/02/04 09:22 AM

I have never shot a Rhino bullet of anykind...But the 350 gr. PP Woodleigh will not let you down, it puts the 375 in or very near the 416 class of DGR IMO.....For herd shooting use the 350 RN.....but if you hunt the tall grass and apparantly you will, then I would use the Bridger flat nose solid in both calibers...

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Re: 9.3x64 [Re: atkinson6]
      #8013 - 01/02/04 04:16 PM

Ray,
How about a source for the Bridgers? Have you used the Speer Grand Slam 285's? They sure shoot in both my 375s!

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Re: 9.3x64 [Re: luv2safari]
      #8034 - 02/02/04 05:35 AM

I have used the grandslams and I would not use them on Bufflo, but plainsgame Lion and Leopard they work fine...

info@bridgerbullets.com 406-581-2811
Definatly the best solid made today in the USA. I suggest going 50 grs. lighter than the standard, examp: 400 gr. Woodleigh solid/ 350 gr. Bridger Solid in 416 or 404, same with other calibers.

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Re: 9.3x64 [Re: Chasseur]
      #10310 - 28/02/04 04:47 AM

The 9,3x64 Brenneke is a fantastic cartridge!
With premium bullets like CDP, Partition or TUG, SWIFT A-Frame... you have an equal cartridge to the 375H&H with better accuracy and less problems to use it in a standard mauser 98 system. On the other hand you can realize reduced loads close to the 8mm Mauser!PPC Norma 15,0 R 903 Rottweil 4,54 RWS 5333 RWS 80,5 870 3300
PPC Norma 15,0 R 903 Rottweil 4,80 RWS 5333 RWS 80,5 880 max.
PPC Norma 15,0 R 903 Rottweil 4,50 CCI 200 RWS 83,0 825 2860
PPC Norma 15,0 N 140 Kemira 4,56 RWS 5333 RWS 80,5 870 max.
HMK RWS 16,7 N 140 Kemira 4,36 Kemira 68 RWS 84,0 810 max.
HMK RWS 16,7 R 907 Rottweil 4,47 CCI 200 RWS 84,0 800 3180
Starkmantel MEN 17,0 N 140 Kemira 4,02 RWS 5333 RWS 81,5 770 2900
Starkmantel MEN 17,0 R 903 Rottweil 4,35 RWS 5333 RWS 81,5 805 max.
Starkmantel MEN 17,0 R 903 Rottweil 4,15 RWS 5333 RWS 81,5 770 2950
Starkmantel MEN 17,0 N 140 Kemira 4,17 RWS 5333 RWS 81,5 795 max.
SSpSP(2459)Speer 17,5 R 904 Rottweil 4,80 RWS 5333 RWS 85,0 780 3150
VR/TR RWS 18,5 N 140 Kemira 4,30 Kemira 68 RWS 84,0 770 max.
TR Norma 18,5 IMR 4350 Dupont 4,92 CCI 250 RWS 84,5 782 3170
TR RWS 18,5 R 904 Rottweil 4,73 RWS 5333 RWS 84,0 780 max.
TR RWS 18,5 Tub.4 SNPE 4,13 RWS 5341 RWS 84,0 760 max.
Alaska Norma 18,5 R 904 Rottweil 4,80 RWS 5333 RWS 83,5 785 max.
Dual Core Norma 18,5 Tub.6 SNPE 4,60 Federal 215 RWS 83,5 755 max.
Solid A-Square 18,5 R 904 Rottweil 4,70 RWS 5341 RWS 84,5 770 max.
TUG RWS 19,0 IMR 4895 Dupont 4,04 Rem. 9 1/2 RWS 85,0 770 max.
TUG RWS 19,0 204 Norma 4,74 RWS 5341 RWS 85,0 760 max.
TUG RWS 19,0 N 160 Kemira 4,73 RWS 5341 RWS 85,0 760 max.



I reload the 9,3x64 for a friend of mine. We use the Norma Alska with CCI Magnum Primer and 72,00grain Rottweil 904 and RWS brass. Not a heavy load, but it works fine!

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Re: 9.3x64 [Re: Safarischorsch]
      #10349 - 28/02/04 02:37 PM

I agree the 9.3x64 is the most underrated caliber that I know of and its the first place winner for the worlds best all around caliber, but availability of guns and components has always been its downfall..That is presently not so with the advent of Horneber brass at Huntingtons, but how long will they stock it is the next question and so the 375 H&H will remain king of the hill for now and forever, its as American/African as apple pie and dry vores...

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Re: 9.3x64 [Re: atkinson6]
      #340946 - 10/05/20 07:34 PM

Atkinson6.

What Woodleigh bullet did you use. Was it the PP or the RN.

I want to load my rifle to also shoot about 2400fps. But i am thinking of using the RN. This is also for Cape Buff, so glad to hear they performed well.

Do you have pictures of how they mushroom at 2400fps into a buff?

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Re: 9.3x64 [Re: Oelofse]
      #340949 - 10/05/20 10:05 PM

Wow! You dug deep to find this thread!

If that's Ray Atkinson you're asking, he's long gone some 15 years from NE.com!

Good question to ask everyone else though.
I have always regarded the .375 H&H and the 9.3 Brenneke to be ballistic twins, with indistinguishable terminal ballistics on game as well. But my experience with either is a distant second to others here.

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Re: 9.3x64 [Re: Marrakai]
      #340956 - 11/05/20 12:30 AM

The 9.3X64 is an outstanding cartridge badly crippled by the lack of good quality inexpensive brass.

To say it's equal to a 375H&H is indeed high praise, but you can buy 375 at Wal-Mart (At least you can in Wyoming)and even small shops in Wyoming and Montana, have it. I was in S. Carolina a few years back and in a mid-sized gun shop I found empty brass and loaded ammo on the shelves despite the fact there are no game animals in S. C. that I know of that are the type of game usually shot with a 375H&H.

The 9.3X64 does what the 375 will do but the other side of the argument is that the 375H&H will do what the 9.3X64 will do, with the 375 being quite common and the 9.3X64 being made to be a far harder cartridge to obtain.
Too bad too. The belt-less design and ease of fitting it to most actions give it a very good set of qualities. But the industry seems to be set against it.

The same was true of the 9.3X62 form most of my life. Not very long ago, most American hunters had never heard of a 9.3X62. Now in Wyoming, Montana and some of Idaho and Utah the 9.3X62 is getting super popular. I have been doing re-barrel jons to that caliber like it's a run on the banks for the last 2-1/2 years and it was odd in that no American gun makes is offering the rifles as a standard item,yet American seem to suddenly "wok up" to the shell and there has been a huge demand for them around here.

Even if the 9.3X64 was to be offered by Ruger, Savage, Mossberg, Remington and Winchester all at the same time and Federal, Winchester Hornady and Remington all started making ammo, I doubt the 9.3X64 will ever outsell the 375H&H. It could be equal in sales, but I don't think it will pass the 375.

The 9.3X62 on the other hand is a bit less powerful and kicks a bit less too, hold more ammo in the same size magazine and get by with a bit less barrel length, yet it kills game REALLY well. So if the big companies wanted to get higher numbers of sales, I think the 9,3X62 would become the bigger seller.

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Re: 9.3x64 [Re: szihn]
      #340963 - 11/05/20 02:05 AM

I have 2 9.3x62's - they're OK.

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Re: 9.3x64 [Re: szihn]
      #340977 - 11/05/20 06:35 AM

Quote:

The 9.3X64 is an outstanding cartridge badly crippled by the lack of good quality inexpensive brass......


Oh boy isn't that the truth!

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Even if the 9.3X64 was to be offered by Ruger, Savage, Mossberg, Remington and Winchester all at the same time and Federal, Winchester Hornady and Remington all started making ammo, I doubt the 9.3X64 will ever outsell the 375H&H.....


It would be marvelous to see - I know A-Square do make a load for this cartridge as well

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The 9.3X62 on the other hand is a bit less powerful and kicks a bit less too, hold more ammo in the same size magazine and get by with a bit less barrel length, yet it kills game REALLY well. So if the big companies wanted to get higher numbers of sales, I think the 9,3X62 would become the bigger seller.


szihn, I always thought you liked a challenge, well here it is; go the whole hog & have something that the common man does not!

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Re: 9.3x64 [Re: 93x64mm]
      #341014 - 12/05/20 12:42 AM

Too late 93X64mm......................I do.
Several of them.

A 9.3X74R and a 9.3X57 among them.

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Re: 9.3x64 [Re: szihn]
      #341019 - 12/05/20 05:53 AM

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Too late 93X64mm......................I do.
Several of them.

A 9.3X74R and a 9.3X57 among them.



I like the way you think szihn & yes you played me well........you got me hook line & sinker!

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Re: 9.3x64 [Re: 93x64mm]
      #341104 - 15/05/20 01:46 PM

the 9,3x64 is candidate for the best allround cartridge ever

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