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hoppdoc
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What's your RECOIL TOLERANCE???
      #63558 - 05/10/06 01:35 AM

Recoil tolerance is a personal issue.

Some people just tolerate getting bounced around more than others.

I found a site that tries to measure the intensity of the "punch" of recoil.

See-
www.accuratereloading.com/recoil.html

What is your limit?

I consider a practical limit to be when one has problems getting a second similar shot off in a timely fashion.

What would other forum members set as a practical recoil tolerance level?

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Re: What's your RECOIL TOLERANCE??? [Re: hoppdoc]
      #63569 - 05/10/06 03:34 AM

When much younger, I used to revel in getting smacked and controling the big ones. hardest for me was a .505 Barnes Supreme, with 600gr. Solid at 2,800fps. That one spun me around like a weathercock. My .375H&H felt like a triple deuce after that one.
: Currently, the .458 Alaksan with 400gr. at 2,400fps is quite enough, but at 10-1/2 pounds is easier to shoot than my .375/06IMP at 8 pounds with 300's at 2,470fps.
: Nowadays I draw the line at those two.

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Re: What's your RECOIL TOLERANCE??? [Re: DarylS]
      #63572 - 05/10/06 04:34 AM

The 600 NE is above my recoil tolerance.

The 585 Nyati with 750 grs. at 2250 fps is at or just above my recoil tolerance.

The 505 Gibbs with 600 grains at 2250 fps is within my recoil tolerance.

The .500 NE is within my recoil tolerance.

A 6 pound Blaser R93 in 375 H&H is within my recoil tolerance.

A Mossberg 3.5 inch 12 ga. pump is above my recoil tolerance.

Any rifle with a stock having the wrong dimensions is outside of my recoil tolerance.


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Re: What's your RECOIL TOLERANCE??? [Re: 500grains]
      #63582 - 05/10/06 08:03 AM


hopdoc

Stock design and fit has alot to do with it AND hunting versus range work also makes a difference.

Of the guns I have shot / owned or own.

My 505 Gibbs - no problems as it is well stocked although the 600gn Pills at full hunting load starts to get a bit heavy after 4 shots - or at least you it went off !!!

My 50O Jeffrey - a bit hard on me as the stock is not great but I have no problems shooting 6 shots in a row.

500 Nitro's - of the 5 I own or have owned

Jospeh Lang - lovely, well balanced, sweet to shoot.
A&N 1 - Stock is thin and small and it kicks because of this - in fact I broke a tooth shooting this gun
A&N 2 - Same gun as above but a completely different stock -= much more "meat" on it which is what I like. Gun is great to shoot.
WR - Short barreled, nicely stocked, lovely to shoot.
The 5th one I haven't got yet so will let you know !!!

Custom 585 Nyati - gun was well stocked and no problems to shoot.
I have shot the first 600 Jeffrey (U/L Hammer) and I felt it but got 5 out of 6 shots off in 24 seconds. I wouldn't do it continuously.

4 and 8 bores - have fired 8 bore and you can have it.
The same applies to BP guns of 500 and above - don't like the sharpness of the recoil.

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Re: What's your RECOIL TOLERANCE??? [Re: DarylS]
      #63585 - 05/10/06 09:54 AM

daryl,

600 grain bullets at 2800 ft/sec is some real power. Thats up there with 600 overkill levels. How much did your 505 barns rifle weigh ?

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Re: What's your RECOIL TOLERANCE??? [Re: bigdog]
      #63586 - 05/10/06 10:08 AM

It wasn't my rifle. It was made on a ZKK 602 action. I bought the original unfired .375 barrel for $100.00 - in 1975. The intire rifle weighed only 8.5lbs.with it's 4X Leupold scope. THAT'S why it belted me so hard. The owner fired 19 rounds of the bench. I shot it offhand - once.
: The load was 124gr. IMR 3031, 600gr. Barnes Solid - not 4831 as in the .460 WTB mag.
: I believe the .600 nitro, with good bullets is considerably more powerful than the .50. Those who've used them all, state there is a big jump from .5 to .577 and .600. FPE doesn't relate to killing power on animals that aren't suseptable to hydrostatic shock, ihmo. Yes, the .600 is over-kill.

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Re: What's your RECOIL TOLERANCE??? [Re: DarylS]
      #63599 - 05/10/06 01:02 PM

Personally I can tolerate up to a 458Wm/470 NE, no problem.
My 416 Rem has teeth because of its weight and the "sharpness" of the punch.The stock design helps much though. My 500 NE is going to be an eye opener, i am sure.

I don't feel the formula on AR is entirely accurate as I feel the VELOCITY of the energy of recoil is the more important variable. Slow that down markedly and we all would be shooting bigger boomers.This can be done by more weight(obviously) or some type of recoil assistance.

The other variable is hunting adrenalin. Some shots I can't remember feeling cause the animal in my scope.

Oh, well--

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Re: What's your RECOIL TOLERANCE??? [Re: hoppdoc]
      #63625 - 06/10/06 12:54 AM

A Merkel 500 3 inch is beyond my tolerance!
An 11 pound 475#2 Jeffery is tolerable.
A 9.5 404 Jeffery at 2100 is tolerable.
a 10 pound 450/400 3 inch is very tolerable.
NE450#2's 450#2 with hunting loads is tolerable, but I wouldn't want to shoot it off the bench.

As stated above, recoil is a very personal experience.
I will turn 60 in December and I'll be the first to admit that I've turned into a recoil wuss! I don't like getting beat up any more!

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Re: What's your RECOIL TOLERANCE??? [Re: hoppdoc]
      #63646 - 06/10/06 05:09 AM

My limit depends what rifle it is,and how it fits me, more than the chambering! I think that is the case with everyone. Also, the weight, and body structure, of the shooter, are as important to "FELT RECOIL" as anything else.

The problem with lists like the one the link leads to is, the only way they really say anything about recoil comparison is, if the rifles all weighed the same, and are shot by the same person, who is fitted the same way! Otherwise, they are only a guide, that doesn't tell you much.

I find, a person who is slight of build, can, most times, tolerate more recoil than a person who is heavy, all else being equal. By this I mean the lighter person is more likely the "ROLL WITH THE PUNCHES" so to speak, while the heavy guy will absorb more of the recoil, because he is harder to move by the recoil.

Then the velocity of the round being shot, developes different type of recoil than one of a different velocity in the same weight rifle. Fast, is sharp CRACK recoil, with slow, being a more PUSH recoil. This is also true because most large slow rounds are ususlly heavier rifles, than most fast rounds which tend to be lighter.

Myself as an example, when I was 145 lbs, I could tolerate a lot more recoil than now that I weigh 220 lbs. Today a 577NE double is getting close to being more than I like, even in a 13 lb rifles, while the 470NE in a 10.6 lb rifle is fine in the field, but not fun on the range working up loads. The 375 H&H 300 gr bullet at 2550 fps is a "SHOOT ALL DAY" rifle at 9.3 lbs loaded. I also find double rifles to be easier to use heavy recoiling cartridges in, than a bolt rifle with equal fitting, and most lever actions are a machine that increases the felt recoil, even in the little 30-30, because of the design of the total rifle, from butt plate to muzzle. People buy Mod 94 Win 30-30 rifle for their kids, because they think the 30-30 will have less recoil, based on the lists like the one posted here, over a good bolt rifle chambered for a 30-06. I find the bolt rifle to be a better choice for a youngster, than anything in a lever action.

I guess what I'm trying to say is, to find out what your limit is, you need to shoot the rifles so chambered, because what someone else can tolerate, has absolutely nothing to do with your limit!



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Re: What's your RECOIL TOLERANCE??? [Re: hoppdoc]
      #63714 - 08/10/06 03:22 AM

My 11.5 pound 470NE DR was the most I could tolerate in a quick 1/2 shot, or six in one sitting.

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Re: What's your RECOIL TOLERANCE??? [Re: bonanza]
      #63885 - 11/10/06 11:06 PM

A 458 shooting 500 gr bullets at 2300 fps is with in my Tolerance
My 416 Rem shooting 400 gr bullets at 2426 fps is with in my Tolerance


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Re: What's your RECOIL TOLERANCE??? [Re: jro45]
      #63896 - 12/10/06 03:45 AM

I've shot a .458lott once ( or actually 3 shots..), and that one was above my comfortlevel.. It also gave me a grave headache..

However, my Merkel .470 handles nicely, or, it is at least tolerable So thats my limit! I find the .416 Rigby to beat me more than the 470 because of faster recoil, so I'd pick the 470 over that one every time.

I recon most men find that .458WM and .470 are pretty much the biggest guns they can handle well? That's probably one of the reasons why it was such a popular group of cartrides back in the old days- it did the work peoperly without undue recoil? I hate to say that a 505 (or 500J) would be to much recoil to handle.. I might go ahead one day and see if i can handle a 500NE, If I do, ill get one

How can You shoot these 500+ and keep 100% focused on the target without flinching? I don't flinch with my 470, but every fibre in my body wants to. I have to concentrate real hard to shoot well.
It does require a lot of "want to" to actually shoot the big bores...!

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Re: What's your RECOIL TOLERANCE??? [Re: Bonde]
      #63899 - 12/10/06 06:29 AM

i believe the worst I've fired was a 470 double that had the habit of "doubling" on me. I'd usually catch the thing after it flew out of my hands. That was miserable, but I believe the worst correctly working rifle i've ever had was a light weight 460 weatherby. I'm not recoil sensitive, but that thing would give me a whiplash headache after 4 or 5 shots.

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Re: What's your RECOIL TOLERANCE??? [Re: butchloc]
      #63916 - 12/10/06 06:29 PM

Hallo,

my heaviest gun-cal. ist the 10,75x68. The rifleweight is 8.16 lbs. without scope. The buillet velocity is 2230ft./sec.
With the limbsaver-recoilpat the recoil is not to bad.
From the recoilvelocity it is compareable with my Weatherby Mk.V in .340 Wby.Mag. with the 200gr. Nosler Ballistic-Tip which runs arround 2980ft./sec. The feeled kick from the 10.75Mauser isnīt so strong like that from the Weatherby in cause of the slower buillet and the lower pressure.
My 9x57Mauser with 6.4lbs weight and a steel-stockpat kicks worser than the bouth upon.
The worsest recoil has my Lee-Enfield No.5Mk.I "Jungle-carbine" in .303British. Itīs real no plessure to shoot with it more than five rounds.

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Re: What's your RECOIL TOLERANCE??? [Re: blackberry9]
      #63983 - 14/10/06 02:46 AM

It certainly is a personal level isn't it? I really don't know what my level is as it is all over the map depending on the gun, the load, the position fired from, hangover, mood, moon phase, etc. I have probably been punished the worst by 400-grain Speers loaded hot out of a Marlin .45-70, and by patterning 12-gauge 3-inch turkey loads from an H&R single shot. Teeth-gritting stuff. I have been been stung the most by a light .338. My collarbone has probably had its worst outing when I tried to fire a prone match with a Trapdoor Springfield .45-70 using heavy bullet BP loads. Something about that steel buttplate and a very thin summer shirt made me lose interest in the target after only about 20 rounds. I find I really don't look forward to bench testing much more than a box of .375s out of a Ruger No. 1, and the No. 1 rechambered to .450 NE was unpleasant from the bench after just a couple of five-shot strings. On the other hand, I was surprised how much fun I have had with up to 150 grains FFg and an NEI 835-conical out of a Pedersoli Kodiak .72 double percussion rifle. I think it was all that lovely mass out in the barrels.
Stock architecture is important to me, as I have a somewhat long neck and high cheekbone. Enough blathering ....


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Re: What's your RECOIL TOLERANCE??? [Re: hoppdoc]
      #64057 - 15/10/06 01:36 PM

Right now I shoot a .375 H&H for all of my big game hunting. I like it right well and can honestly say I don't remember the recoil when firing at game. The recoil can be a bit brutal when firing multiple rounds from the bench. I can handle the recoil from 3" 10 guage shotgun rounds pretty well but 20 to 25 rounds is about all I want in 1 session.

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Re: What's your RECOIL TOLERANCE??? [Re: hoppdoc]
      #64071 - 16/10/06 05:32 AM

I agree with a lot that has been said concerning age of the shooter, stock fit and attitude but especially weight of a gun for a given caliber effecting recoil. I have not had the opportunity to shot any .40 or above nitro guns. I can shoot a .358 Norma or .375 HH with 300gr bullets off the bench all day with a 9lb gun.
7 drams is where I draw the line to shoot off the bench with black. I don't have trouble with 8drs and a 950gr bullet in a 13lb gun and am able to reaquire the target quickly. Shooting 10 or 11 drams behind a 1250gr bullet in a 16lb gun takes a greater level of concentration and mindset and there are days I am up for it and days I am not. Like many of the other posts I never remember recoil when shooting in the field.


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Re: What's your RECOIL TOLERANCE??? [Re: 500Nitro]
      #64099 - 16/10/06 07:08 PM

A 10.75 pound 500 NE is within my recoil tolerance.

A 9.5 pound 458 WM is within my tolerance.

A 10.5 pound 450-400 3 1/4" DR is within my recoil tolerance.

A Marlin Guide Gun (45-70) loaded with Garretts or the like is above my recoil tolerance.

Could shoot a 9lb 375 H&H all day as long as the stock fit me.

Like has been said before... It is about stock design/fit and concentration up to a point, IMO.

500Nitro,

Would love to see any pictures you have of the Lang 500 you mentioned. Do you still own it? When was it built?

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Re: What's your RECOIL TOLERANCE??? [Re: bulldog563]
      #64116 - 17/10/06 12:51 AM

I can stand anything up to a 577 for about 10 rounds. Can't stand anything above the 378 in the Weatherby's, though.



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Re: What's your RECOIL TOLERANCE??? [Re: hoppdoc]
      #64416 - 22/10/06 12:19 PM

I shoot a .460 Weatherby built on a CZ 550, with no brake, pretty much each time I go to the range. It doesn't bother me until I start hitting max loads with the 600 grain bullets. I usually do 5-10 shots each range visit, no bruising and no headache.

I have also shot some really big ones like a .505 Gibbs, .577 Tyrannosaur (loaded to 750 grains at 2200 fps), and a 606 Mammoth (I think it was somewhere around 850 grains at 2100 fps). The range session with those gave me a headache and lightly bruised my shoulder. With enough practice though, the headache and bruising should disappear.



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Re: What's your RECOIL TOLERANCE??? [Re: hoppdoc]
      #64515 - 23/10/06 11:55 PM

To do my best shooting, a 458 Win. Mag. loaded to its full potential represents my upper limit in terms of recoil.

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Re: What's your RECOIL TOLERANCE??? [Re: allenday]
      #64553 - 24/10/06 09:51 AM

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Re: What's your RECOIL TOLERANCE??? [Re: hoppdoc]
      #64636 - 25/10/06 02:34 PM

The most powerful double rifle I have shot was a 470 Nitro that I shot once. Have shot a few 375s but they are not a big bore. I don't like recoil and have no problem admitting this - if I won the lotto, my double rifle would be a 450-400 whose recoil I can take comfortably. I'd much rather shoot a lot more with a medium bore light recoiling rifle than take a few shots with a heavy kicker.

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Re: What's your RECOIL TOLERANCE??? [Re: mehulkamdar]
      #64841 - 29/10/06 01:32 AM

My 470. I had (being restocked) a ill fitting 375 H&H and if that was my only rifle, would have exceeded my tolerance.

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Re: What's your RECOIL TOLERANCE??? [Re: hoppdoc]
      #65642 - 10/11/06 03:24 PM

Maybe I should do a few shots of Cuervo and "set off" BOTH barrels of my 4 Bore at once! Donations please

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