Home | Ezine | Forums | Links | Contact
NitroExpress.com: Rodda .577/.500 takes a buff....

View recent messages : 24 hours | 48 hours | 7 days | 14 days | 30 days | 60 days | More Smilies


*** Enjoy NitroExpress.com? Participate and join in. ***

Double Rifles, Single Shots & Combinations >> Double Rifles

Pages: 1
Marrakai
.416 member


Reged: 09/01/03
Posts: 3591
Loc: Darwin, Top End of Australia
Rodda .577/.500 takes a buff....
      #60019 - 16/07/06 02:35 PM

Took the recently acquired Rodda (crystal-indicator sidelock) for an "armed reconnaissance" a couple of weekends ago, to check out in what shape Cyclone Monica had left one of my favourite hunting properties. Sure enough, all the creeks were stlll flowing strongly, flood debris festooned all the trees out across the creek flats, and the game was well scattered.

Nevertheless, I decided to take the vintage double for another walk back there last weekend, this time with better results. I took along one of my daughter's friends, Ralph, who had shot buff before but was keen to bring a really good trophy bull to bag. My wife Rebecca also came along for the exercise, and to help pack out any meat we might acquire.

After walking a drainage-line upwind for several hours, we finally bumped into a mob feeding in the creek bed in the late afternoon. Rebecca and I ducked out to the left and knelt down in a dry overflow to cover their exit from the creekline, and to pick out a fat cow or good bull, whichever presented the best shot as they filed past. I was still being cautious with this calibre (the cartridge is no giant-killer!) but hoped the 440gr Woodleighs would do the job.

I didn't count on the herd turning down the overflow and feeding straight towards us, as we crouched in the open behind 6-inch tufts of grass! Two cows with calves were in the lead, luckily one had an obvious weaner and had fattened up again, because it was her that offered the first opportunity, turning almost side-on at about 8 metres! With no time to lose, I gave her both barrels quickly behind the elbow, then reloaded and put a third into the off-side ribcage, quartering forward, as she about-faced .



I wasn't aware that Ralph had fired, but apparently at my first shot, the bull stuck his head up out of the long grass to reveal an impressive rack, so he immediately caught a 410gr Woodleigh .416 on the point of the shoulder! He turned out to be a very respectable trophy at 101pts SCI (green), and Ralph's largest by a fair margin! What a marvellous result!



I only recovered one projectile from the .500, the one which quartered forward and stopped at the front of the off-side shoulder. It hadn't expanded much, but then penetration is the more important criteria on large game and this one had made almost a metre. One of the other bullets had traversed the chest cavity, centering a far rib but bouncing back inside despite breaking the bone. Couldn't find it though! ...and only God knows where the other one ended up!



Based on these initial experiences, I would be quite confident taking the Rodda against the biggest buffalo bull, providing he was undisturbed and allowed me a good view of his ribs. Perhaps fortune will favour just such an outcome in the next few months!

--------------------
Marrakai
When the bull drops, the bullshit stops!
--------------------------------
www.marrakai-adventure.com.au


Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
pwm
.300 member


Reged: 15/06/04
Posts: 216
Loc: Banana Republik of Germany
Re: Rodda .577/.500 takes a buff.... [Re: Marrakai]
      #60028 - 16/07/06 08:47 PM

god give you the guns you deserve, I think its a 577/500 No.2 rigth.
Is there a pressure test load for this round or do you copy 500 BPE loads , I believe this cartridges are very similar.
Do you use Bertram brass for it?
Came across a 577/500 No.2 last year on a gun show, the dealer was asking 10000 Euro. The gun was in the white, the dealer get it from the widow of an old gunmaker in england where it stand for maybe 60 years or more, never blued etc.
Dealer tells me 10000 are rigth because you will never find an old blackpowder double in the white again.
Was thinking that this was a piece with absolut no history, not worth the half of what he want but go my way.


Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
NE450No2
.375 member


Reged: 10/01/03
Posts: 942
Re: Rodda .577/.500 takes a buff.... [Re: pwm]
      #60050 - 17/07/06 05:46 PM

Sounds like a great hunt. Good shooting with your double.

Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
Marrakai
.416 member


Reged: 09/01/03
Posts: 3591
Loc: Darwin, Top End of Australia
Re: Rodda .577/.500 takes a buff.... [Re: pwm]
      #60056 - 17/07/06 08:17 PM

Thanks, NE450No2.

pwm: The chambering is indeed .577/.500 No.2, the thread for previous discussions on my load development is linked from my first post, again here. The 440gr Woodleighs are only doing about 1600 fps at this stage, but I plan to settle on 1675 fps if it still regulates, after I make a crimp-die and get my act together.

Bertram is about the only choice for brass in Oz, but I'm not complaining. I realize many posters here were burned by the fairly ordinary stuff Bruce was turning out 15 years ago, but his current line seems quite OK for these low-pressure express cartridges. I also shoot Bertram in both the .400 3-inch and .470 NE since BELL disappeared, with no problems whatsoever.

The .500 No.2 pressure at 'factory' velocity (1675 fps) should only be about 8 tons with the 74gr AR2208 (Varget) loads I have settled on. This cartridge probably generates slightly lower pressure than the .500 3-inch 'nitro-for-black' load going by case volume, but there's not much practical difference. There's very little published info on pressure for this class of cartridge: as long as it was below the 10 or 11 tons generated by the original BP load, no-one cared!

That double express 'in-the-white' sounds interesting, however I agree about the value of such guns to 'common folk' like us. Nevertheless, he's right about the 'one-of-a-kind' aspect, and that might make it priceless to someone.

--------------------
Marrakai
When the bull drops, the bullshit stops!
--------------------------------
www.marrakai-adventure.com.au


Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
ALAN_MCKENZIE
.400 member


Reged: 24/03/04
Posts: 1214
Loc: Western Australia
Re: Rodda .577/.500 takes a buff.... [Re: Marrakai]
      #60059 - 17/07/06 11:25 PM

Well done mate.
The old girl didn't let you down and sounds like she might spend more time out in the long grass.
I might forward a pic onto Bill,what do you recon?
Al

--------------------
"Dogs always bark at their master"
Sir Seretse Khama.25th June 1949


Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
JPK
.375 member


Reged: 31/08/04
Posts: 734
Loc: Chevy Chase, MD
Re: Rodda .577/.500 takes a buff.... [Re: ALAN_MCKENZIE]
      #60061 - 18/07/06 12:56 AM

Great story and great results from your rifle.

Did you get any pass throughs? And what does the rifle weigh? Love the concept of an "armed reconnaissance".

JPK


Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
NitroXAdministrator
.700 member


Reged: 25/12/02
Posts: 39885
Loc: Barossa Valley, South Australi...
Re: Rodda .577/.500 takes a buff.... [Re: Marrakai]
      #60071 - 18/07/06 03:36 AM

In reply to:

My wife Rebecca also came along for the exercise, and to help pack out any meat we might acquire.




Marrakai, you are indeed a lucky man!

In reply to:

I only recovered one projectile from the .500, the one which quartered forward and stopped at the front of the off-side shoulder. It hadn't expanded much, but then penetration is the more important criteria on large game and this one had made almost a metre. One of the other bullets had traversed the chest cavity, centering a far rib but bouncing back inside despite breaking the bone. Couldn't find it though!




So the old BPE level powered doubles still can kill. Cool.



A very nice trophy indeed. Nice wide spread to. Congratulations to Ralph.

Can I accompany you next time you go buff cow meat hunting?

How many kilograms of meat do you harvest? Enough for a freezer?

Thanks for the interesting story and photos.


--------------------
John aka NitroX

...
Govt get out of our lives NOW!
"I love the smell of cordite in the morning."
"A Sharp spear needs no polish"


Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
SAHUNT
Sponsor


Reged: 27/12/04
Posts: 900
Loc: Centurion, RSA
Re: Rodda .577/.500 takes a buff.... [Re: Marrakai]
      #60075 - 18/07/06 04:26 AM

Nice story with exelent results.

Congratulations to you and Ralph

--------------------
Life is how you pass the time between hunting trips.
Sometimes I do not express myself properly in the English language, please forgive me, I am just a boertjie.
Jaco Human
jacohu@mweb.co.za
SA Hunting Experience


Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
Rusty
.333 member


Reged: 08/02/03
Posts: 464
Loc: Missouri City, Texas
Re: Rodda .577/.500 takes a buff.... [Re: SAHUNT]
      #60081 - 18/07/06 07:59 AM

Congratulations! Thanks for sharing!



--------------------
Rusty
We band of brothers!

DRSS


Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
Marrakai
.416 member


Reged: 09/01/03
Posts: 3591
Loc: Darwin, Top End of Australia
Re: Rodda .577/.500 takes a buff.... [Re: Rusty]
      #60096 - 18/07/06 08:14 PM

JPK:
The Rodda double weighs a little over 9 1/2 lbs, and carries well. Many BP doubles are very barrel-heavy compared with the later nitro guns, but the top-lever hammerless BP rifles are 'transitional' and tend to balance OK. Because of the modest ballistiics, it is very comfortable to shoot. I don't think any of the bullets exited, but one may have. It was dark by the time I went looking (!), and after removing the shoulders I couldn't see an exit but could easily have missed it. I would have liked to recover all the bullets, being a keen amateur 'terminal-ballistician'(!), but even at modest velocity those 440-grainers mess things up a bit inside!



NitroX:
We retrieved the back-straps and the shoulders from that cow, and a shoulder from the bull next morning. Heavy enough in the back-pack! (....or so my wife assures me!)
Yes, the freezer looks quite well stocked at the moment!

We rarely have the luxury of retrieving meat because of the distances travelled on foot and the hot humid weather, but we have been having a few cool spells lately, down to about 14 degrees celcius overnight inland, so any animals killed in the early evening are good to go.

In reply to:

So the old BPE level powered doubles still can kill.



I am very fond of black-powder doubles, especially with 'nitro-for-black' loads using modern powders and premium jacketed bullets. They are much more capable today than they ever were, with heavier bonded-core bullets replacing the light-weight hollow-nose 'express' bullets of bygone days. A big-bore double without the excess weight and recoil of a full-nitro gun. Perfect for buffalo!

Alan: I think Bill would enjoy a photo, so send it on by all means. I'll see if I can get him a better one of a good bull laid low by the Rodda before the next wet!





--------------------
Marrakai
When the bull drops, the bullshit stops!
--------------------------------
www.marrakai-adventure.com.au


Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
Taylor416
.300 member


Reged: 25/11/04
Posts: 161
Loc: Central West, New South Wales....
Re: Rodda .577/.500 takes a buff.... [Re: Marrakai]
      #60100 - 18/07/06 11:04 PM

I was thinking about that lovely little Rodda that you showed me in Darwin a while back at Tex's and thought about sending an Em to see how you were going with the loads etc, when I saw your hunt story, great results.
I used the 440gn Woodleigh in my P. Webley & Son .500 3 inch and shot 3 buffalo with it (before parting with it) and found all three projectiles in the opposite side of the body, perfectly mushroomed (of course, Woodleighs are good) all one shot kills and one dropped immediately.
As a matter of curiosity, if you don't mind, what loads did you develop for your gun?

cheers
Chris

--------------------
Love to hunt!


Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
Marrakai
.416 member


Reged: 09/01/03
Posts: 3591
Loc: Darwin, Top End of Australia
Re: Rodda .577/.500 takes a buff.... [Re: Taylor416]
      #60131 - 19/07/06 08:03 PM

Chris:
Probably answered on the other thread, but it looks like 74 to 75 grains AR2208, plus 2 half-inch saddle-felt wads, will get the 440gr bullet up to specs. I still haven't made a crimp-die, but our string of winter visitors from south has now abated so I should get time soon!

I'll keep you posted.

--------------------
Marrakai
When the bull drops, the bullshit stops!
--------------------------------
www.marrakai-adventure.com.au


Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
mehulkamdar
.416 member


Reged: 09/01/04
Posts: 3688
Loc: State of Ill-Annoy USA.
Re: Rodda .577/.500 takes a buff.... [Re: Marrakai]
      #60374 - 26/07/06 11:42 AM

Marrakkai,

Beautiful rifle and a fantastic hunt! A classic rifle like this adds a touch of class to a hunt that a modern one definitely cannot.

Cheers again!

--------------------
The Ark was made by amateurs. Experts built the Titanic.

Mehul Kamdar


Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
Pages: 1



Extra information
0 registered and 327 anonymous users are browsing this forum.

Moderator:  CptCurl 

Print Topic

Forum Permissions
      You cannot start new topics
      You cannot reply to topics
      HTML is disabled
      UBBCode is enabled

Rating:
Topic views: 4146

Rate this topic

Jump to

Contact Us NitroExpress.com

Powered by UBB.threads™ 6.5.5


Home | Ezine | Forums | Links | Contact


Copyright 2003 to 2011 - all rights reserved