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The "Professional Client"
      #5885 - 19/12/03 02:07 PM

OK may upset people a little with this one, but is being a "Professional Client" any claim to fame or even true experience for that matter?

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Re: The "Professional Client" [Re: NitroX]
      #5897 - 20/12/03 12:01 AM

What is a professional client, John? Is it someone who likes to keep booking hunts?


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Re: The "Professional Client" [Re: NitroX]
      #5913 - 20/12/03 05:35 AM

John, help me out on this one. Like Ann, I'm a bit confused as to what a "Professional Client" is .

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Re: The "Professional Client" [Re: mikeh416Rigby]
      #5916 - 20/12/03 07:38 AM

yeah, just what do mean by this?

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Re: The "Professional Client" [Re: Will]
      #5934 - 20/12/03 12:41 PM

What I was referring to in a round about way is -

sometimes on the internet some person is held out to be a great hunter, having been on umpteenth safaris, taken many dozens head of game.

But my question is what does this really add up to?

From my limited experience safari hunting in Africa really isn't that hard. If you can shoot straight and walk a bit most of it isn't really that challenging.

Not wanting to pick a fight (well actually I do as I want to get a red-blooded discussion going ).

Basically if you can wake up in the morning, climb into a cruiser, get out of the cruiser, maybe walk a few kilometres, shoot straight. The game scouts and PH will have scouted for you, worked out the game movements and likely locations. They will usually spot the game for you, judge and point out the best one or that none of them are shooters. If it is wounded they will track it for you. Load the carcarse into the vehicle after blazing a track to it. Gut it, skin it, cape it and even cook it for you!

Compare this to the typical self-guided Aussie or North American hunt where all of this is done by you - the hunter.

My best and most valued trophies are the ones where I did all the hard work myself.

Of course the luxury of an African camp is beyond compare. It's quite nice to have a hot shower after a hot day, eat a 4 course gourmet meal with individual waiter service, drink fine wines and then enjoy a cuban with a glass of cognac by the fire.

But would you compare an average self-guided elk trophy done entirely by yourself with a record class kudu shot 10 metres yards away from the bakkie in the first hour of the first day of your safari?

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Re: The "Professional Client" [Re: NitroX]
      #5938 - 20/12/03 01:22 PM

Comments anyone?"

Well you can read my mind on this one John as i even hate paying my $40 game stamp,i do it all my self or with a mate or two ...we have hot showers, great tucker, and a warm comfortable camp except we do it all ourselves stuff such as find our own game,hunt,shoot,gut,carryout,skin,capeout,saltdown,cook,draw water,cut firewood,load/unload,pack in/packout etc and what a memorable experience it is to do so too.......doing the lot is a learning curve that is all experience and of course knowledge is no weight to carry.

I`m afraid i would probably break the rules and jump in and help the skinners in doing my trophy Kudu or anything that i took in a pro camp in Africa for instance,even get out and knock a bit of wood up with the Yanks as well on a lull day just to get the feel of the animal or the way the axe splits a diff wood...there is far more to hunting than just pulling a trigger on an animal and sitting back in camp later on drinking mint juleps mate,of course you know that anyway.
You asked mate and my thoughts on pro clients are that they often will wilt under pressure of having to do all of the above,hey wait a minute even if i was wealthy enough to be a pro client i still want to climb after argali`s and wild sheep etc i dont want the deluxe chopper trip either.
I have spoken to a few o/s visitors here and some of those rich boys would have to go on a starvation diet to get game where i hunt John.

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Re: The "Professional Client" [Re: NitroX]
      #5943 - 20/12/03 05:39 PM

You should apply for a job with the US media, they are big into jealousy and self-righteous crap.

I would like to hear the rest of it.

Where did you plant the nuts for the trees that you waited for them to grow big enough to build your house so that you could cut them down with your stone axe?

If you didn't do that, how could it possibly possess any meaning or be of value?

Which animal did you slay with your stone knife to use for a bow string, so that you could use your bow, also made from your homegrown trees, so that the bow could be used to slay what animal so you would not starve and have enough skin to tan for the shoes you are wearing?

If you didn't do that, how could it possibly possess any meaning or be of value?

And where did you dig the hole where you found the oil to refine so that you could have the chemicals to polymerize to make the plastic for your computer.......
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Hmmm?



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Re: The "Professional Client" [Re: Will]
      #5946 - 20/12/03 07:02 PM

Will my good man

In reply to:

Where did you plant the nuts for the trees that you waited for them to grow big enough to build your house so that you could cut them down with your stone axe?

If you didn't do that, how could it possibly possess any meaning or be of value?

Which animal did you slay with your stone knife to use for a bow string, so that you could use your bow, also made from your homegrown trees, so that the bow could be used to slay what animal so you would not starve and have enough skin to tan for the shoes you are wearing?

If you didn't do that, how could it possibly possess any meaning or be of value?

And where did you dig the hole where you found the oil to refine so that you could have the chemicals to polymerize to make the plastic for your computer.......




No I paid someone else to make the stone axe and pre-cut it for me. I did the last chop and then hung it up in my trophy room.

Some one else made the bow string, strung the bow, found the animal and then tanned the leather. I laced up the shoes myself and everyone admires them now when I show them off.

Some one dug the hole, refined the oil and built the components for the computer. But I assembled it from the box and everyone thinks that was real smart .......

Bit of the track aren't you mate, you need a tracker you get you back on track ........

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Re: The "Professional Client" [Re: NitroX]
      #5950 - 20/12/03 10:16 PM

Nitrox, Africa is a different ball game.Hunting there is an industry,you just cannot go there and hunt on your own without a professional hunter with you and once you have done that you get all the facilities that the PH can provide.In your own country however you have the choice of doing all the things you want to do by yourself.For instance around here all we have is a local guide,so that you don't get lost.Other than that we do everything ourselves i.e. track,spot,shoot and carry the animal and skin it.We may get a little help in carrying and skinning but thats about it.
The profeesionl client is thus limited to either Africa or elsewhere where you buy your hunts.

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Re: The "Professional Client" [Re: iqbal]
      #5952 - 20/12/03 11:55 PM

Ah but the proffessional client wont hunt anywhere else BUT Africa. Where else can you get spoiled like you do in Africa (except Bob Penfolds camp ) I belive most people that "only" hunt Africa won't go for a self guided hunt in their own country...its to much hard work. Better to save one's money and have a African trip every year or two where one's hand is held at all times. I wonder how many guys that can afford an African trip every year or two actually hunt, say whitetails?

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Re: The "Professional Client" [Re: Bakes]
      #5953 - 21/12/03 12:53 AM

Iqbal

Very true the legal situation pushes the foreign hunter heavily towards the REQUIRED use of outfitters. When there is other avenues the balance between chances of success and self-guided also play a big part. But that is my real point in the discussion.

Also I know some people who have hunted self-guided legally and they loved it, and I admire they did it this way and for a fraction of the cost. Unfortunately Mr Robber Mugabe and his lawlessness may have stopped those opportunities.


Bakes

I know where you are coming from. Traditionally, 20-30 years back there were NO outiftter, professional hunters or hunting guides in this country. Hunting was essentially free, by invitation or jumping the back fence only.

But I think lots of safari hunters hunt at home self-guided.

Lots probably also use outfitters at home from time to time.


My question isn't elitism. But what actually adds to experience.

A couple of points which sometimes are mentioned.

A Professional Hunter is reported to be an experienced expert. But in this modern day and age how many elephants has a young dangerous game PH actually personally shot. He may have been "in" on the hunting of a hundred but only shot one, that is the one required to get a DG PH licence.

Same goes for buffalo.


Many clients may have shot and killed more elephant and buffalo than the PH who is guiding them.


Also some of the hunting in Africa is arduous. The long distance lion tracking safaris and trophy elephant safaris can cover many miles and many days. I think you certainly have to work at these. Again the trackers probably are the true kings of the hunt!

But say for the general plains game hunt. I don't feel I learned a lot in the shooting of my kudu. It is a very nice trophy and I like it a lot. I also enjoyed the hunt, but I didn't learn anything in the hunt except maybe some ideas in judging horn length.

In the end the paying client as long as they enjoy the hunt and holiday they have value for money.


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Re: The "Professional Client" [Re: NitroX]
      #5955 - 21/12/03 01:31 AM

Hey, you said you wanted to stir things, so I tried.

It must be a human characteristic to be self-rightous about at least somethings. I consider hunting elephants with a scoped rifle just total crap, so I am as guilty as anyone.

It is sort of akin to the John Carlin bit about my stuff is of necessity but your stuff is just crap.

I think this self-righteousness is akin to other human characteristics, at least for some Caucasians. There is an elitist attitude among some folks in the States that you are not qualified to be a real American unless you are a native "Indian," even though no race was native to North America, or possibly anywhere but from somewhere in Africa.

In the States this self-righteousness rears it ugly head in trying to perpetually convince everyone that only Native Indians have any spiritual connetion to the land, the Negroes are the only race that was ever percsecuted, and how much worse since they were perscecuted by Whites, even though they were being sold by other Negroes and Arabs in Africa, and due to the control of much of the media by our Jewish friends, that race is characterized as the most perscecuted of all.

I think it is also an innate characteristic of Caucasians to feel guilty about any accomplishment. Witness the attempts to place guilt upon people about the natives (or indigenous people as it is now popularly referred to), as they are only the real chosen people and the rest of us are jut plunderes, and witnessed in the selling-out of all the Caucasian people in the once British colonies in Africa, ignoring the economics of baling out.

And you Aussies should feel the guiltiest of all, a bunch of social rejects that raped and pillaged the humble native population and transformed a tranquil paradise into cities and streets and pollution.

Of course, you have to be careful for what you wish for, since if the natives of Africa had been as industrious as Caucasions there would be cities and streets and pollution...and no game to hunt.

But fear not, for the intrtoduction of the ethics that all will survive no matter what, the southern African continent is rapidly being transformed into poorly managed farms with explosive populations. At some point there will be no huntable game in Australia, America, or Africa, except possibly on game farms.

And game farms are off-limits as it is not the true hunting experience, as the caveman would have done it, as you have set up as the criteria.

So, in the not too distant future you will have to satisfy your instinctive blood-sport desires by heading to the shopping mall and shoot some indeginous scumbag that is trying to steal your money because his is a victim of your own self-righteousness.

So, the topic which you have posted is totally irrelevant and meaningless.



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Re: The "Professional Client" [Re: NitroX]
      #5957 - 21/12/03 01:52 AM

Over the years I've done it both ways. When I was younger and in my prime, most of my hunts were either unguided, or semi-guided, here in the states,and I enjoyed them all. Now, as I've gotten a bit more mature (older), my knees aren't in good shape-hell, I've had torn cartiledge twice (in one knee), and had a chain saw tear through the same one. I had to have one of my ankles reconstructed as well. Now I'm physically limited to some of the "softer" hunts, and I've been fortunate to have taken some great trophies(none from the bakkie). I'm proud of them all. Does that make me a better hunter-no. I'm just lucky and grateful that I still have my sight, and can still do some walking. I wish I could still climb those mountains, but since I can't, I recognize my limitations, and do what I can, where I can.

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Re: The "Professional Client" [Re: mikeh416Rigby]
      #5963 - 21/12/03 06:06 AM

Amen Mike....I've paid my dues over the years and I've found you don't need to be soaked to the skin or up to your knees in snow or constantly buffeted by the wind to be a "real hunter"...you don't need to eat half-cooked food or sleep in a leaky tent or ride stock that just retired from the rodeo circuit to be a "real hunter" and you don't need to live in the middle of great hunting opportunities (altough it helps) to be a real hunber.

If someone thinks any less of me because, after nearly 50 years of hunting and shooting, I appreciate a comfortable place to sleep, I enjoy good food someone else prepared and because I can enjoy a fire that someone else made with wood I didn't chop, then I can only say one thing......

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Re: The "Professional Client" [Re: DBBill]
      #5966 - 21/12/03 07:34 AM

Gee WILL i touched a nerve with you didnt i! You certainly got off the track hahahaha....sure you are a fair dinkum hunter?

""I think it is also an innate characteristic of Caucasians to feel guilty about any accomplishment.""

Holy fuggin shit man i have never felt guilty about any accomplishment i have ever made in the field!

Mike416Rigby what you posted certainly makes sense to me mate taking it a bit easier as age catches up after you have done the hard yards is the way we will all have to go.

I posted about doing it out in the bush as it is the way here in OZ..you want it? go and hunt it..simple!
But with the advent of the modern day "guide" the short cuts are taken so as to maximise chances of success and it gives me and plenty of others the drizzling shits to hear about the latest overseas clients (or wealthy locals too) taking the "South Pacific 15" animals in ten fuggin days.......holy shit how in the frig do these pro clients do it?They must be great hunters eh!
Well just in case you dont know i can tell you how some do it (success that is) I know for a fact that some simply buy big animal heads already dead,a lot shoot them in pens..undersized pens at that too,or they take certain game animals under illegal cicumstances (spotlighting hog deer) or in preserves.And one big time o/s visitor i spoke to personally that was out here hunting took his sambar stag out of my mates pen and that was only when the deer was darted and taken to a creek where it was allowed to stand up and be shot,this man was/is one of the "big time professional clients" that took his SP 15 animals simply by buying them,i hate to tell you this but he shot his Wap in a deer crush of all places so as not to damage any part of the soon to be mounted "trophy"
Another Pro client took his 15 animals here with 16 shots,yep sixteen shots for fifteen animals that include sambar,red,fallow,chital (axis)rusa and hog deer,thar,chamois and wapiti not to mention the rest of the game......shit what a great shot eh?yep fantastic for sure but he hunted and killed all these animals in not much more than a week!Something aint right there eh,if you cant smell a rat you aint a hunter.

Oh yeah what a self righteous prick that i am for sure but i dont sit back and tell tales of how i took this and that in the wilds of where ever in the world to who ever is standing in awe in my trophy room just to satisfy myself that yep "i am a true hunter" even though i shot my Thar and Chamois out of a chopper in NZ eh! Happens weekly in NZ for the pro clients that havent the time to walk up the mountain or their bulging wallet weight precludes them from doing so.

I have never been to Africa,India,Alaska or other great hunting destinations personally but i have been there through the words of the men that pioneered the hunting in those places in books,films etc of most of those places and let me tell you that most of those men would shudder in their graves if they could only see the way some of todays "pro clients' take some of the trophy animals on offer throughout the world.
I am certainly not saying that all pro client hunters are guilty of the worst deeds, Some pro clients actively walk and hunt alongside their respective guides and give as good a hunt as their guides.
Yep call me self righteous for sure but also call the men (and women) that hunt in the true sense of the word HUNTERS and not collectors.

Just got my 2004 full colour glossy SCI Convention auction preview with all the great stuff on offer and some of those hunts in there besides being over priced simply denigrate some of the species......hunts such as 150 class w/tail in 3 days, 3 and 5 day hunts for bull elk of "x" amount points etc hell i thought that these animals are hard to hunt but reading all these auction pages it seems that a "pro client" with the money can simply go and buy a wall hanger in no time at all! Somewhat conflicts with my buddy in Idaho that has taken numerous bull elk the hard way(real way) by calling them up that is in the back hills of his mountain country but then i suppose he is a self righteous hunter also.Ah! shit here is another ad 15 animals in ten days including red axis fallow and sika deer,well let me tell you Will old fella that to legit hunt a fallow buck (or the others) it might take you ten days and not even see a trophy buck/stag etc and to take all of those animals in 10 friggin` days is Not Hunting in the true sense of the word,it is once again collecting animals that are captive to a degree.Lets stand up and be counted, are we hunters or are we collectors and to be branded self righteous for doing it my way makes me feel good Will as it appears to have grated sumpin` in your nerve ends that tells me you could be one of the "others"
I have to say i love a camp with a nice soft swag and real stove to cook on but then just to go hunting i still take a cold mountain ridge to sleep on as well.I walked in to the headwaters of the Dan river with a 70 year old sambar hunter a few years ago and this man has the score on the board with as many good "heads" as any other hunter i know,i like to think that i will be able to do so at that age as well and after that type of hunting how could this man succumb to being a "pro client"
I dont really give a rats arse much about it all really except that it is a shame to see the natural way of life changing here due to the enormous amount of money being on offer for game, which has shut the shop for the average family hunter in a lot of places which were open to all before.Ahh! this plastic computer is pissing me..shit i`m bored i`m going hunting!

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Re: The "Professional Client" [Re: DBBill]
      #5967 - 21/12/03 07:35 AM

The problem is that most African PHs try to push hunters to shoot as many animals in as short time as possible, without letting the hunters savour the real Africa. A lot of "hunting" are done from the back of a bakkie, sometimes the hunters only step down to take the "tropyphotos". I have never hunted outside of Africa, so I cannot really comment on how tough the going in snow/ blizzards etc., are, but I can tell you that you can rough it in Africa, without being unbearably uncomfortable. There are a lot of wild places left, even on farms and concervancies. I wrote an article for the Magnum Magazine a while back, on hunting the Karas mountains of Namibia. Someone that wants a challenging kudu hunt might care to join me on something like that.

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Re: The "Professional Client" [Re: Ndumo]
      #5968 - 21/12/03 07:48 AM

"Someone that wants a challenging kudu hunt might care to join me on something like that."

Ndumo thats the sort of hunt for kudu that i want,i`m not interested in knocking one from a herd used to vehicles etc or behind wire so i can get back to the bar for a cool one by the pool.Am i being self righteous by wanting real hunting?

Can you reprint your article here? I for one would love to read it.

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      #5969 - 21/12/03 08:26 AM

I will send you an copy of the article tomorrow via e-mail.

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Re: gryphons request [Re: Ndumo]
      #5971 - 21/12/03 08:52 AM

please send to my hotmail addy johngryphon@hotmail.com thank you mate.

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Re: gryphons request [Re: gryphon]
      #5974 - 21/12/03 09:55 AM

Gryph

As you know it isn't just the OS hunters here doing some of that. Pick out some of those heads in the Sporting Shooter mag coming from NZ with Aussie 'hunters'. The tahr hair and red deer hair really is blow-dried, from the chopper wash.

PS Also someone here has to be doing the bad deed for all of this to happen. Some "outfitter" has to be penning the deer, going out spotlighting, offering the BS hunts.

We constantly hear about all of these goings on with visiting hunters but never or rarely about who is organising them. Why aren't they being 'outed' - names and all?

I once raised the issue of why there isn't a Professional Hunters Assoc in Australia or any sort of "Professional" body. All the outfitters that responded cried foul and said it would restrict them from doing whatever they wanted! Perhaps there is a good reason.



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Re: The "Professional Client" [Re: Will]
      #5978 - 21/12/03 11:35 AM

In reply to:

And you Aussies should feel the guiltiest of all, a bunch of social rejects that raped and pillaged the humble native population and transformed a tranquil paradise into cities and streets and pollution.



Hello pot, I'm kettle!

Humble HA One of my rellies after giving birth to the first white child in Bombala had to fight off an Aborigional attack. You want humble, come and walk the streets of Darwin at night and talk to your humble native, It'll be alright....I'll visit you in hospital.

Social Rejects HAHAHA I resemble that. I'll have you know I have an Admiral for an ancestor......the fact that he was discraced.....I also have a Bounty Mutineer in the blood lines......ah shit I am a social reject



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Re: gryphons request [Re: NitroX]
      #5979 - 21/12/03 12:43 PM

Nitro,
Why on earth would we want a PH Ass.
They might try to stop us going out for a quick rape/pillage
party which us ozzies apparently enjoy!!!!

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Re: The "Professional Client" [Re: Ndumo]
      #5981 - 21/12/03 01:23 PM

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Subject: Re: The "Professional Client"

The problem is that most African PHs try to push hunters to shoot as many animals in as short time as possible, without letting the hunters savour the real Africa. A lot of "hunting" are done from the back of a bakkie, sometimes the hunters only step down to take the "tropyphotos". I have never hunted outside of Africa, so I cannot really comment on how tough the going in snow/ blizzards etc., are, but I can tell you that you can rough it in Africa, without being unbearably uncomfortable. There are a lot of wild places left, even on farms and concervancies. I wrote an article for the Magnum Magazine a while back, on hunting the Karas mountains of Namibia. Someone that wants a challenging kudu hunt might care to join me on something like that.





I would love that hunt also. Three years ago I went on a backpack hunt for Mountain Zebra in the Gamsbourg Mountains. It was below freezing at night and in the mid eightis during the day. We had to pack our own water, which is a new experience for me, three gallons each. This was no bakkie hunt as it was just me and the PH. We did 57 miles, according to my gps, and 8100 verticle feet up and down into the canyons.

I loved it and got a huge Stallion. I wanted a rug but the PH threatned to shoot me if I wouldn't accept a head mount instead.

It was a very good imitation of Sheep hunting, and for me, money well spent.

I think the perfect example of a Profesional Client is a person named Kelley Kines Taylor. At the age of twelve he recieved the SCI Young Hunter Award for shooting the Big Five, twice. Once with a handgun. Who says money can't buy anything?

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Re: The "Professional Client" [Re: Ndumo]
      #5995 - 22/12/03 01:26 AM

I've never been pressured to take as many animals as possible. My highest take has been 7 animal on a 12 day hunt. I don't consider that excessive. I hold out for quality animals. On the other hand, I took a friend with me to RSA last year for his 1st Safari, and he is sooo competitive that he had to have money wired to him so he could pay his tab at the end. It was a 10 day hunt up in the Thabazimbi area. I took a 54" Kudu, 29" Blue Wildebeest, 16 1/2" Bushbuck, 26 1/2" Impala, and a Zebra stallion. My friend ended up taking 2 Wildebeest, 4 Impala, 2 Springbok, Blessbok, Zebra, Waterbuck, Gemsbok, Red Hartebeest, and 2 Kudu. As far as I'm concerned, that's just being piggish. I've got my trophies back from the taxidermist, hanging on the wall, while he's just finished paying the deposit so the taxidermist can start the work. My short list on each trip keeps expenses under control, and I can look forward to going back again. I also spend at least 3 or 4 days sightseeing on each trip. I enjoy the total experience, not just the hunting.

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Re: The "Professional Client" [Re: mikeh416Rigby]
      #5998 - 22/12/03 01:58 AM

I remember the first winner of the SCI South Pacific Grand Slam was Murray Thomas who hunted for at least a decade for the animals.

The second visiting winner missed out being the first by only a month or so and shot the 20 (?) or so animals in 20 days and reportedly spent $100G plus (at the time) to do it.

Personally while I like the thought of a grand slam of SP deer or game one day, these awards have always left me very very cold.


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