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Adventures in Oceania
      #56492 - 06/05/06 04:56 AM

Adventures in Oceania

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Re: Adventures in Oceania [Re: Nickudu]
      #57362 - 19/05/06 09:50 AM

Geezus give me a break you cant tell me that they actually climbed up to the Tahr`s hideout,have a look at his kid...straight out of the latest Vogue magazine for fucks sake,the whole thing reeks of

HELICOPTER HUNTING

Mind you i am not saying that they actually shot from a chopper(nothing suprises me) but there is no way those two didnt use one to put them right there looking all fresh and neat like that.

For gods sake i wish these writers wouldnt make out that they are some sort of hunting hero.

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Re: Adventures in Oceania [Re: gryphon]
      #57371 - 19/05/06 01:23 PM

Gryphon

Being professional writers maybe they did spend some time before the photo 'prettying' themselves up. Especially Brittany Boddington. It isn't unlikely she actually would take a hair brush with her and "brush-up" a bit before hand to look good for the photographs. I could probably find out if you like.

Not like us who are happy to be covered in mud, sweat, blood and who knows what else for photos.

As for the "chopper" thing, it is quite normal for most outfitters to chopper the hunters up to the hunting areas. A guy I know had small marine board huts made up so the chopper could drop right near the hunting areas, saving a lot of climbing time for hunting time. This fellow only did free range hunts and wouldn't do the chopper shooting thing.

Especially when the same guy told me about a whole bunch of ADA executives who shot right from the helicopter and then in their magazine posted about their hero hunts in NZ.

Does every answer to a post of a hunting story need to be a biting attack? I didn't read anything about walking up the mountain in the story, just the glassing and moving around the tops while hunting.

Lighten up abit.


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Re: Adventures in Oceania [Re: Nickudu]
      #57372 - 19/05/06 01:24 PM

Nick

Thanks again for posting another link to an interesting hunting story.



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Re: Adventures in Oceania [Re: NitroX]
      #57397 - 20/05/06 05:22 AM

Does every answer to a post of a hunting story need to be a biting attack? I didn't read anything about walking up the mountain in the story, just the glassing and moving around the tops while hunting.

Lighten up abit.


Does every answer to a post of a hunting story need to be a biting attack?

EVERY ANSWER?

You lighten up too John. All i see in my post is that i`m saying the obvious,all the signs are there to read for yourself.

Without wanting to argue at all i think if the helicopter rule was applied to Argali hunting would that be considered kosher.The fellas that pioneered Argali hunting (+chamois+tahr) did it all on foot or on a beast of burden, they experienced the whole package of the hunt and thats it mate "the hunt" not just the pulling of a trigger.

I have some video here of a great, no a huge polar bear that was taken with the use of a chopper, the bear couldnt run any further and his tongue is nearly on the ground,is that kosher.

Taking tahr or chamois in the euro alps using a chopper to get you on top.....is that kosher,you with your euro heritage should know the exact answer to that mate.

Isnt it a fact that these high altitude game animals are revered as such game as mostly its their high altitude habitat that makes them so tough to obtain...one can imagine how tough tahr would be to obtain if they or Argalis or chamois lived on the saltbush plains like their other relatives.

I can go into it a little more as the owner of one of the biggest hunting sites around personally told me that his two chamois were bloody SHOT from a chopper...he didnt have time to get out and hunt just enough to fly up to the tops for gods sake and shoot two and back to the lodge.
It is far more prevalant than most actually know and i shudder to think what the traditional Alpine guides would have to say on the subject.
It is somewhat annoying to see these game/gun writers appear in almost every publication with the latest this and that animal and most of these animals are not less than silver or gold medal types too..hmmm funny that eh.]
A chopper dropping a party off as a ferry service is one thing,spotting (hunting?) a game animal from the chopper for a quick shoot and capture 1/2 hour exercise is another mate.

And no mate its not another "biting attack" its simply saying what i see in such articles as was posted.

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Re: Adventures in Oceania [Re: gryphon]
      #57401 - 20/05/06 05:52 AM

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I can go into it a little more as the owner of one of the biggest hunting sites around personally told me that his two chamois were bloody SHOT from a chopper...he didnt have time to get out and hunt just enough to fly up to the tops for gods sake and shoot two and back to the lodge.
It is far more prevalant than most actually know ....




True enough. A lot of "shooting" goes on actually FROM the choppers, or sighted from a chopper and then dropped off nearby. Not hunting by any legitimate book.

Maybe the Alaskan rule of not being able to hunt the day of a flight would be a good idea. Fly in or up and sit around the hut or tent till the next day ...... Fat chance I think.

In reply to:

It is somewhat annoying to see these game/gun writers appear in almost every publication with the latest this and that animal and most of these animals are not less than silver or gold medal types too..hmmm funny that eh.]




I hate to see the HUGE red stags with 2 dozen tines/points looking like they just came out of a breeding farm, which they probably did.

Actually if the impossible happened and one of these was found in the wild and I shot it, I wouldn't at all be happy as no one would believe it.

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But don't knock young Brittany's looks. She brightens up the photos for sure .



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Re: Adventures in Oceania [Re: NitroX]
      #57402 - 20/05/06 05:55 AM

They could have at least put some dirt on her nose for the photo even a little smear of blood on one finger maybe...not much hope of that one though!


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Re: Adventures in Oceania [Re: gryphon]
      #57480 - 21/05/06 02:53 PM

Looks like you missed this bit:

In reply to:

Several hours later we were bumping our way up a narrow canyon in the Rangitata River area, glassing for tahr.

The air was crisp, the snow line not far above us. The narrow track ascended rapidly then took us around a bend where the sun would never penetrate. Now we were in plenty of snow.

We were in tahr, too.






NitroX:
Is it possible to exclude a certain member's posts from showing up on my screen? Maybe you could include this feature in your next upgrade.

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Re: Adventures in Oceania [Re: Marrakai]
      #57482 - 21/05/06 05:23 PM

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We wouldn't get a better chance--if we got another chance at all. Chris wedged a pack against the base of a bush helped her steady the rifle over it. The slope was so steep that I crawled below her and braced myself, letting her put her feet against me to keep from sliding down the hill.






Bullshit! Look at her pants! Do they look like she was just laying a slope so steep she had to be braced to make the shot. I have no doubt she had a hair brush and make up kit handy. But the only way that color of pants would still be clean, in the circumstances described, especailly the knees would if she changed them...Bullshit!

I believe that young lady shoot that animal, I don't doubt that for a second. I just don't think it was done as described.

I asked my wife, who hunts in fair weather, to look this over and she noted the clean pants first thing right off. She also noticed a couple of other things. The hair. The wife says if she were hunting the hair would be tied back to get it out of the way. Then in the second picture of the young lady glassing the hill she is kneeling on something to keep her pants clean. That is not someone who would lay on her belly and get herself dirty to take a shot....Wife says.

Having personally witnessed one of Mr. Boddington hunts and his later report, no strike that. Having read his "story" on that hunt, I know that this "story" is true , just not all the facts are there. That's a shame because the young lady probably hunted fairly hard to get a nice trophy.

Now about transportation to the hunting area. If you use transportation to chase and hunt the animal It would seem pretty cut and dry, it's not ethical.

But it's all to easy to get in a gray area on this transportation thing.

I know that on more than one occasion while driving into an area where we were going to hunt, we have spotted game. Ethically should we have just passed on this game and not got out and pursued it?

If you helicopter to the top of the mountian and set camp then hunt is that ethical? Or how about using a Bush plane to drop you out on the tundra to set camp and hunt, is that ethical?

How about riding around in the mountains on horse back looking for elk. If you spot an elk would be ethical to get off and shoot? I have a problem with this one.

If you take a 747 to Africa to hunt is that ehtical?

Some really gray areas and some very black and whitre areas.

Gryphon I absolutely know what you are talking about. You are 100% correct. If you use any form of transportation to get you in an area I don't see a problem with that. If you use the transportation to hunt or pursue that is not ethical.





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Re: Adventures in Oceania [Re: DoubleD]
      #57501 - 22/05/06 01:18 AM

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I believe that young lady shoot that animal, I don't doubt that for a second. I just don't think it was done as described.




I think you will find very few "hunting stories" are 100% portrayed exactly as they happened. Called "writers licence". Doesn't mean the hunt was BS.

As for the hair thing, I will find out what "hairstyle" she uses when hunting. Sheesh!

No one has commented on the finger nails yet either. Huntresses only paint their fingernails in camo colours too.



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Re: Adventures in Oceania [Re: NitroX]
      #57507 - 22/05/06 02:48 AM

Correct me if I am wrong, but didn't he state very plainly on page two, (no helicopter ride to the top)?

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Vanity -- A woman's prerogative [Re: NitroX]
      #57511 - 22/05/06 04:04 AM

Consider that this featured woman hunter is simply very image-conscious.
It's not beyond imagination that she would lay a windbreaker down before laying prone, nor is it out of the question that she would request of her guide to brace her for the shot.
She's very nice looking and I can imagine she'd carry a hairbrush and compact makeup kit on a hunt.
Freakin look at her guys!

I know many women who have the stones to get out in rough country and the vanity to maintain unusually high standards of appearance while in the wild, some of them wealthy enough to commission trophy hunts too.

I could give a pinch of snot one way or the other, but do recognise the tendency of a remarkably nice looking woman to groom herself before the taking of a trophy photo - of any particular type of game - it only takes her a moment to check for smudged makeup and brush her hair.
Even at elevation and in the wild.


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Re: Adventures in Oceania [Re: DoubleD]
      #57517 - 22/05/06 05:25 AM

Gryphon I absolutely know what you are talking about. You are 100% correct. If you use any form of transportation to get you in an area I don't see a problem with that. If you use the transportation to hunt or pursue that is not ethical. DD

DoubleD its the last sentence from your post above that is the point i had in mind and its good that you for one read it properly not like the gentleman from the north of australia .

The following is from NZ`s premier site and these fellas actually know whats going on in their own backyard.

this here is a viewpoint from a man that lives and breathes hunting and actually lives there...argue with him you blokes with your head in the sand especially you up north.


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Re: Adventures in Oceania [Re: gryphon]
      #57518 - 22/05/06 05:50 AM

And this next lttle snippet is from the fella that owns the site and by the way his occupation is HUNTING GUIDE try argueing with him about the use of choppers in taking premier high altitude game animals.
IMy original post was pointing out that like a lot of others that go after thar (thar) or chamois there are often cases of spot the animal from a chopper and then land and take the shot and the colonels story reads as if this is the case too.
I wasnt and didnt imply that anything was actually SHOT from a chopper.
On the NZ site is a story and pics of heaps of dead thar shot from choppers but not the BIG BULLS they were captured for the game ranches and in case some of you dont know some of these animals are shot by clients at low altitude game ranches and then the animal and client takes the chopper up to a nice scenic vista for the photo session...read of it as you want to! Maybe ask him about what the real truth is behind some of those animals that one see`s in some of the various hunting publications.



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Re: Adventures in Oceania [Re: Marrakai]
      #57520 - 22/05/06 06:18 AM

Looks like you missed this bit:

In reply to:
Several hours later we were bumping our way up a narrow canyon in the Rangitata River area, glassing for tahr.

The air was crisp, the snow line not far above us. The narrow track ascended rapidly then took us around a bend where the sun would never penetrate. Now we were in plenty of snow.

We were in tahr, too.

No marukai you missed heaps in the story yourself...some pics with snow some without and the one with the most snow shown is one right out of a fashion magazine oops i mean a hunting magazine and to mention that there were DOMESTIC SHEEP on the mountain top with them also that were in the way i say to you pal COME ON GIVE ME A BREAK!

Domestic sheep hahaaa were they actually on a mountain?Maybe for the photo session .
I will have to post this on the NZ forum where the fellas that KNOW about these things will set me right as after all i didnt know that domestic sheep shared the mountain tops with Tahr.


So you go back and read though the whole story as its you that has quote "Looks like you missed this bit:"




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Re: Adventures in Oceania [Re: gryphon]
      #57544 - 22/05/06 12:49 PM

In reply to:

Several hours later we were bumping our way up a narrow canyon in the Rangitata River area, glassing for tahr.




"bumping around" - sounds like a vehicle to me ???

In reply to:

The only rub was some domestic sheep shared the slide.




Gryph, ask on the Kiwi forum but sheep may well be on private sheep stations well up the mountains. If they say different .... ?

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We hiked around the mountain so we could climb unseen in the shelter of a big hogback. It was steep enough, but the deep snow made it tough.




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Now the mountain ascended in a series of benches, and much of the snow had been blown away.





As for pictures some with snow, ome without:

The photo with Brittany's tahr is on a shale slope and no snow.

The photo with Craig's tahr has tussocks and small clumps of snow.

A photo of them spotting the mountains has lots of snow.

Interestingly in the photos the last shows Brittany resting her knees on a parka. The photo of her trophy shows her squatting so her pants do not come in contact with the shale. I would guess the photo with the spotting scope is a staged photo for the article. Yes sometimes writers do "manufacture" scenes for photographing for magazine articles. Why? Because if you take them while hunting, you scare everything away!



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Chris wedged a pack against the base of a bush helped her steady the rifle over it. The slope was so steep that I crawled below her and braced myself, letting her put her feet against me to keep from sliding down the hill.




Sounds like she shot from a sitting position to me ???


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I don't know the circumstances of hunt and it may well be as suggested, or it may not be. It would be a little rough if it was a fair chase hunt to be suggesting the sort of things being suggested.

Unfortunately IMO the NZ hunting scene is tainted with that sort of activity and perhaps no SCI scored animals should be able to be listed from NZ UNTIL they clean up their act. Same as SCI did for lions from South Africa.

No doubt that statement will make me popular with Kiwi outfitters.


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Re: Adventures in Oceania [Re: NitroX]
      #57557 - 22/05/06 01:57 PM

Nitro i did have a good read of it also and it all seems to come to easy for the mag writers no matter the continent or whichever place on earth they hunt on and i reckon its a case of reading between the lines and coming up with my original post.
And my original post is or was simply an observation/analysis of some hunting pics pertaining to the story with them....

Well some replies so far said it sounded as if it was a ranch job and only one so far has said the colonel did it all fair and square and they walked from the bottom (?) but that it was done with another company (meaning outfitter) so i can imagine myself that he would say something in that vein. Birds Of a Feather..........

Couple of NZ quotes so far" Posted Monday, May 22, 2006 @ 11:51 AM

I'm guessing this hunt took place on a "reserve" on one of the high country stations. I haven't seen many women dressed like that wandering around where I normally chase Thar!! "

Posted Monday, May 22, 2006 @ 12:36 PM

"Looks like another game ranch scenario.
Just isnt the same as the real thing but for alot of people they dont know any different."

Posted Monday, May 22, 2006 @ 03:01 PM

"Well,
I can tell you that that was all free range, Craig Boddington is without doubt the straightest shooting and well know American hunting author in the world today. The hunt was conducted by another company, not us. But it was free range and they walked from the bottom. Private land"
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Re: Adventures in Oceania [Re: gryphon]
      #57564 - 22/05/06 02:09 PM

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I'm guessing this hunt took place on a "reserve" on one of the high country stations. I haven't seen many women dressed like that wandering around where I normally chase Thar!! "




I bet!

Most of them probably wear "woolly-jumpers" and run faster too.



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Wooly jumpers! [Re: NitroX]
      #57567 - 22/05/06 03:02 PM

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I bet!

Most of them probably wear "woolly-jumpers" and run faster too.





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Re: Wooly jumpers! [Re: tinker]
      #57589 - 22/05/06 11:58 PM

This 'gentleman from the north' simply can't believe how naive and ignorant some people can be.

Craig Boddington is in the business of hunting, photographing and writing about his hunts, and selling the resulting stories to the world's best hunting magazines. Yet Gryphon suggests that unless he (or his daughter) looks like some daggy POS in the photos, then he can't have actually been hunting ethically? How stupid is this!

I have no knowledge of the facts surrounding the hunt in question, so can't comment. Shame certain others here do not share that ethos. Boddington wrote that they drove up to the thar country, then hunted on foot. No reason to question that. Boddington has money to spend (or rather 'invest') in good hunting. That kind of money gets you the best guides, in the best concessions, where there are plenty of top-class trophies available. All you need is to be fit, and able to shoot straight. I assume Boddington is fit and can shoot straight. No reason to question the outcome then, is there?

Perhaps the guide used a helicopter to retrieve the thar the next day, or to position it in the best (accessable) spot for a photo. Who knows. ...and so what? If you were a professional hunting author, you would do the same, or remain second best.

I suspect Brittany may have used the brush that Craig almost certainly would have brought to tidy up the thar's mane prior to the photographs. He is a professional, and knows what is required to stay on top of his profession. Those who would scoff at this are ignorant indeed.

I have two daughters who hunt and fish, the youngest still in her teens, and believe me, they are in the business of looking good! ALL the time! ...but especially when the cameras come out!

How bout spending a little more time on creative posts with something to offer, rather than trying to hose others down because they are successful. Jealousy is an ugly trait.

Great story Nickudu, thanks for posting it.

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Re: Wooly jumpers! [Re: Marrakai]
      #57598 - 23/05/06 01:42 AM

On a lighter note:

In reply to:

I suspect Brittany may have used the brush that Craig almost certainly would have brought to tidy up the thar's mane prior to the photographs. He is a professional, and knows what is required to stay on top of his profession.




Did she use it before or after they brushed the tahr?

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Also Boddington being probably the premier English speaking hunting writer today, it is unlikely the guide would not have done his best to ensure they had good country and well scouted animals so the hunt was a 100% success.



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