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The only "hearsay" I can pass along is not to buy one if you're looking for decreased recoil from a .470. Apparently the perceived recoil is quite similar.

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I haven't done the statistical analysis on recoil but ceterus parabus (all oherthings being equal) I can't see the logic in that statement. I know the source of the original quotation for that comment but has ANYONE ELSE ever reported perceived recoil being so extraordinarily different in a .500/.416 as compared to say a .400 Jeffrey?



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Velocity: 2,330 ft/sec (710m/s)

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Krieghoff - .500/.416

I remember reading on the net that actual users found that velocity a little 'optimistic'. Perhaps any members who have chronographed one could share?

Lets assume:

10 lb double rifle
.500/.416
410 gr bullet
105grs powder charge (high side)
Velocity 2330 ft/sec

Recoil Energy of 61 foot pounds, and Recoil Velocity of 20 fps

10 lb double rifle
.500/.416
410 gr bullet
100grs powder charge
Velocity 2200 ft/sec

Recoil Energy of 52 foot pounds, and Recoil Velocity of 18 fps

A .450/.400 3"

10 lb double rifle
.450/.400 3"
400 gr bullet
72grs powder charge
Velocity 2100 ft/sec

Recoil Energy of 39 foot pounds, and Recoil Velocity of 16 fps.

OK makes sense. I believe you have posted again but I haven't seen that last post yet.


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I still look at 500/.416 as specialty ammo however, the .416 Rigby is loaded by Federal, Kynoch, and Norma. That says alot. This is where I am torn, ammo avalibility is paramount to me, that why I opted for a .375 H&H in my S2. I agree the .500/.416 is a better double gun cartridge, but the Rigby is avalible, I even found it in Africa when a client's ammo was lost in transit and a local gun store had some on the shelf.

Aleko

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Aleko, it sounds like you have your mind made up! My question is, why did you ask the question in the first place?

My opinion , for what it's worth, is that any double rifle is a handloading necessity, if one is to get the most from his rifle, and cut cost down to what most can afford!

Anyone who has, even a passing knowledge of the care and feeding of double rifles, knows that handloading goes hand, and hand with successful results where double rifles are concerened.

I say if you want your DGR doubles chambered for rimless/belted cartridges, then it is your money, and your decision, so go for it. However, anyone who isn't willing to expend the effort to make his DGR absolutely stone solidly reliable, by working up a proper load, doesn't have the time to hunt dangerous game, IMO!!
I have owned many double rifles in the past years, and have found most do not shoot well with ANY factory ammo, and a rimless, or belted rimless cases is a danger to life and limb in DGRS!

I say use what you want, but why ask a question, you are not willing the accept the answer to?



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dugaboy ......... as I read his post, Aleko didnt ask a question at all but rather asked for comments. And since this a forum of and for discussion of double rifles i would say that his post was most appropriate ( as witnessed by the intelligent discourse it sparked ,,,,,save one!)

it seems that every one of these sites has its resident curmudgeon ,,,swell meetin' ya!

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Yes daddy! That was my "COMMENT"! and here is another to you! You are welcome to click right pased any post headed DUGABOY1.

It has always seemed funny to me, when a person asks should it be "A" , or "B" when they only want the answer that was their choice to begine with. In this case, if you read the whole string, every suggestion to go to "B" always was countered with "A" is better. This tells me, the poster did not want other opinions in the first place, but wanted everyone to tell him what he wanted to hear!

I have absolutely nothing to gain either way, and it is his money, to do with as he sees fit, but it is one thing to ask for comments, but another to then argue with every one that is not his first choice. In this case his choice is, quite clearly, "A", and that is fine, but why waste time asking opinions on "B" when you have no intention of considering the merits of "B"?

As far as meeting the resident CURMUDGEON, I'm gald to meet the resident KEEPER OF THE RULES OF ENGAGEMENT! Your screen name says it all! Seems there's more that one old bull in these woods!

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