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BlainSmipy
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Leopard Gun build in .577NE and 12Ga 3" Mag
      #54030 - 04/04/06 02:47 AM

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Re: Leopard Gun build in .577NE and 12Ga 3" Mag [Re: BlainSmipy]
      #54047 - 04/04/06 05:30 AM

What you need is pin-point accuracy, a precise aiming point, and good light-gathering capability.

In short, what you need is good bolt-action rifle with a quality scope. For leopard hunting, a double is just about as worthless at teats on a side of bacon.........

You don't need some howitzer to kill a 150 lb. leopard, either. Anything from a 270 Win. to a 375 H&H will do nicely.

Keep it simple, and leave the complicated theories back home.

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Re: Leopard Gun build in .577NE and 12Ga 3" Mag [Re: allenday]
      #54049 - 04/04/06 05:56 AM

Colorado

If a client does his job with a 270 etc. as Allen suggested there will be no need for a clean-up gun as you have outlined. In all likelihood the PH will be doing the clean-up himself with his shotgun.

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Re: Leopard Gun build in .577NE and 12Ga 3" Mag [Re: markhyoung]
      #54053 - 04/04/06 07:02 AM

Colorado---

I like your thinking. I share your belief it could be formidable gun. And although there are many who would say NO way to a double gun or to a gun with one or both barrels being a shotgun, there are also some hunters who shoot dangerous game regularly with shotguns and yes they use slugs and/or they have used shot, e.g. 00.

I have been experimenting with a double sluggun and have developed 2 inch groups at 50 yards shooting 607 grain (1 and 3/8 oz) Brenneke Black Magic 3 inch magnum slugs. These are formidable slugs and I am now comfortable shooting it and being confident I can hit where I want from 20 to 50 yards with this gun. And I can get TWO 607 grain slugs off very quickly. These 607 grainers pack over 3,000 Foot Pounds Of Energy, too!

I have found that the Edward's Recoil reducers with a 1 " Packmyr Decelerator have transformed this cannon into a gun that pushes rather than sharply kicks. That makes a world of difference. And although some on this or any hunting board will say it is impossible to shoot CLOVERLEAF groups with a smooth bore 12 gauge double slug gun especialy with 607 grain slugs, I did it this weekend with my first 6 shots, 3 from the right barrel and 3 from the left. I cannot post pictures here, but I can email them to anyone who wants to see them. Maybe I got lucky. I don't know. But the gun was so comfortable to shoot and after I figured out where the point of impact was of each barrels I played around and I shot ANOTHER 40 slugs and made a BIG 3 inch hole where there was a bulls-eye, and I would just send them in the hole so I replaced targets every 6-8 slugs. With slugs that are .715 inch Dia it is easy to make a big hole out of a bulls-eye.

I know some people would say they would NEVER ever, ever use a slug gun on dangerous game especially a leopard, but the more I shoot this double slug gun and with the "improvements" I've made and the testing to find the DG slugs that this gun likes, the more I feel I would be confident to use this gun to take on MOST dangerous game. It shoulders fast and goes right there; it has nice short barrels; and when I pull the trigger it delivers a heck of a dangerous slug and I can pull the trigger twice and get TWO slugs where I want them faster than many hunters could get the first bullet out.

But just my humble opinion, based on my own experiences. I certainly don't know everything and I know some people out there do, so I will defer to them. I will just say I think you are on to something there with your double .577/12ga gun concept and I wish you well. You might find a drilling out there that satisfies your "design" except of course it would have 3 barrels. ...Man, a .577 and TWO .725 shotgun barrels one (or both) with a dangerous game slug, and one with 00 would be one heck of a DG hunting tool. I would think.


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Re: Leopard Gun build in .577NE and 12Ga 3" Mag [Re: Yogi000]
      #54056 - 04/04/06 07:51 AM

If in doubt, use a 30-06.

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Re: Leopard Gun build in .577NE and 12Ga 3" Mag [Re: 500grains]
      #54067 - 04/04/06 11:20 AM

Doesn't Krieghoff make a 500x500 NEx12g?

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Re: Leopard Gun build in .577NE and 12Ga 3" Mag [Re: Yogi000]
      #54100 - 04/04/06 11:06 PM

"there are also some hunters who shoot dangerous game regularly with shotguns and yes they use slugs and/or they have used shot, e.g. 00."

Could you cite some names of the aforementioned hunters who "regularly" use shotguns to hunt dg? inquiring minds want to know, espcially if they are PHs so I can avoid booking with them. jorge


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Re: Leopard Gun build in .577NE and 12Ga 3" Mag [Re: jorge]
      #54104 - 04/04/06 11:33 PM

Well when could you make me one with EAW monts and how much

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Re: Leopard Gun build in .577NE and 12Ga 3" Mag [Re: jorge]
      #54111 - 05/04/06 12:26 AM

If it takes a 577 NE to hunt a 150 lb. African leopard, then what's it take for a 12,000 African elephant?

I've got the feeling that this 577/12 gauge idea isn't exactly founded upon on a background of actually hunting leopard. Client-hunters almost never wade into the brush in order to hunt leopard, and PHs only do so themselves when a client wounds one. The VAST, VAST majority of these hunts involve baited cats that are shot early and late in the day out of trees, and again, the precise, scoped, bolt-gun of moderate caliber is tailor-made for this sort of hunting. Some big double would be more of a hindrance than a help, and might actually lead to someone getting badly hurt............

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Re: Leopard Gun build in .577NE and 12Ga 3" Mag [Re: allenday]
      #54112 - 05/04/06 12:44 AM

Oh I would not hunt Leopard with it, hell I want one for Buff's

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Re: Leopard Gun build in .577NE and 12Ga 3" Mag [Re: BlainSmipy]
      #54135 - 05/04/06 11:49 AM

Colorado

Not to be contentious but PHC is hardly the authority to use on Leopards.

I actually know very few PHs that use a shotty, many more using the rifles they carry every day and are most familiar with.

One bullet or a compact charge of BS, at a close distance is what you get and not much difference. If it is farther you get an aimed shot that is past the killing range of shot.

Familiarity is the key, not a gun that is used occasionally, that feels differently and shoots differently.



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Re: Leopard Gun build in .577NE and 12Ga 3" Mag [Re: BlainSmipy]
      #54137 - 05/04/06 11:59 AM

I think a lot of people thought you were talking about for hunting leopard instead of following up after wounded.

Following your idea for following up I doubt you would need anything close to a 577. It seems to me it would be more valuable to have a faster recovery after the first shot. Maybe a 375 flanged or 500/416. At the very most a 470-500 NE if you just want more lead. From everything I have heard cats are very susceptible to shock so it seems a higher velocity 500/416 would be better for this then the 577 and the recovery would be faster.

Also I read one of Capsticks articles that said 00 buck was inefficient because of the size of the shot. Imagine a trashcan, you can get much more weight into it using balls the size of a golfball versus the size of a basketball (assuming equal density). Therefore you can get much more shot by weight into a shell if you use smaller shot. I think he suggested #1 but if you are interested I could check to be sure.

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Re: Leopard Gun build in .577NE and 12Ga 3" Mag [Re: bulldog563]
      #54138 - 05/04/06 12:02 PM

Agreed Mickey, most of the stuff I have read or heard from very experienced PH's have said they use their rifle.

Although if you have a bolt rifle maybe the two quick shots from a SXS shotty would be a benefit as long as you are very comfortable with it.

Just speculating as I have not hunted leopard.

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Re: Leopard Gun build in .577NE and 12Ga 3" Mag [Re: Yogi000]
      #54142 - 05/04/06 12:35 PM

In my opinion, the .577/12gauge combo is a major cluster flop waiting to happen. The 12 gauge has its place hunting birds, driven Duikers, and home protection-period. The .577 has its place too-hunting the largest, heaviest dangerous game: but, a Leopard rifle--oh please. IMO this is really bordering on the absurd.

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Re: Leopard Gun build in .577NE and 12Ga 3" Mag [Re: BlainSmipy]
      #54150 - 05/04/06 01:54 PM

"Harsh Toke Dude" Thats funny.

But come on, you really think you have to worry about penetration with a soft skinned animal that weighs less then 200 pounds?

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Re: Leopard Gun build in .577NE and 12Ga 3" Mag [Re: BlainSmipy]
      #54158 - 05/04/06 02:05 PM

Colorado

Love Zdar has the same meaning in Czech as Wiedsmanshiel in German. Good hunting.

PHC is also the fellow who regaled us with his linoleum Leopard suit, complete with football helmet.

At close range one shot is about it, off the barrel end. A heavy recoiling rifle, even a 577/650/2.75 is not necessary. A 458 or 375 that is used and carried every day is much more effective. Just my opinion, of course.



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Re: Leopard Gun build in .577NE and 12Ga 3" Mag [Re: BlainSmipy]
      #54164 - 05/04/06 02:33 PM

I finid these moments of knotted nickers somewhat amusing.

I also find your enthusiasm to shoot the big bores entertaining and I hope you have fun with your rifles, whatever you'll end up whacking with them wether it be rogue paper targets or charging groundhogs -- cats and bulls too if that's what you end up getting out to do...

577NE?
Man that's a lot of whack.
Marrakai has a rifle in a short cased version, 577NE*light* if you will, and he seems to like it a lot.



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Re: Leopard Gun build in .577NE and 12Ga 3" Mag [Re: BlainSmipy]
      #54166 - 05/04/06 02:38 PM

If you want something with the ability to first shoot a big hunk of lead and then a charge of shot wouldn't it be the easier to just get a SXS 10 gauge or 12 gauge w/ 3.5" chambers and load one barrel with a slug and the other with shot?

If you want to build this as your project fun gun then go for it but personally I doubt you will have many takers unless it is pretty inexpensive.



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