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chrispie
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taking apart a double
#53659 - 30/03/06 12:26 PM

hello all, i have a friend of mine who owns a merkel 470, he has been searching the net for books on how to strip his double, or any manuals on the merkels that show you what the inside look like and function like. i'm not sure why he want to take it apart?? maybe to give it a good cleaning. i also have a merkel 500 but i don't dare mess with it

" if it isn't broke don't mess with it.

i told him i'd try to find some info on this, anyone here know were he could start looking. or have any pic's of what it looks like, or what he should NOT mess with.

thanks

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500Nitro
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Re: taking apart a double [Re: chrispie]
#53664 - 30/03/06 12:55 PM

I would suggest he gives it to a gunsmith to take apart.

I don't know any books on the subject but if you undo
the screws the action come out.

However I would suggest he grind proper turn screws that fit
the screw heads correctly otherwise you'll burr the edges of the
screws like you see on old english guns taken apart by hacks.

500 Nitro

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Chasseur
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Re: taking apart a double [Re: chrispie]
#53688 - 31/03/06 12:00 AM

I'd second taking it to a gunsmith. I would not take apart any of the actions of my double guns, but I'm not very mechanically inclined.

But, there is a really good British book "Amateur Gunsmithing" by Desmond Mills and Mike Barnes. It has a very good description of taking apart both a boxlock and sidelock action. The book is a little hard to find and expensive. I used to have a copy of the book, but I never had the courage to do it myself.

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bulldog563
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Re: taking apart a double [Re: Chasseur]
#53716 - 31/03/06 08:31 AM

I have actually been looking for a copy of that book but the ones I have found have been ridiculously expensive.

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500Nitro
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Re: taking apart a double [Re: bulldog563]
#53717 - 31/03/06 08:37 AM

bulldog

Price is directly related to supply and demand
- Like Old doubles rifles - limited supply, price goes up !!!

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banzaibird
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Reged: 18/09/05
Posts: 358
Loc: S.C. Pennsylvania, USA

Re: taking apart a double [Re: 500Nitro]
#53731 - 31/03/06 12:05 PM

Check the gun shows. I bought a copy of this book and a copy of the Alexander Grey book at the Timonium Gunshow a couple of weeks ago for less than $100 for both.

I had been looking for the Grey book for months.

Bill

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k80
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Re: taking apart a double [Re: banzaibird]
#53733 - 31/03/06 12:36 PM

Quality rifles are not "brother in law"
firearms. Use a qualifed factory
recommened gunsmith. Warranty
questions could come up. The older
ones still should be serviced by the
people that know them.

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banzaibird
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Re: taking apart a double [Re: k80]
#53739 - 31/03/06 02:14 PM

I understand what your saying and agree if indeed a warrenty could be voided. However I think it's pretty important to be familiar with all the working of your DR. That way if something went wrong in the field you may be able to not only diagnose the problem but possible fix it as well. You don't really think all those fine cased DR's with Screwdrivers included were put there for nothing do you? I'm pretty sure they expected the rifle owner to at least be able to do some basic stuff on their own if needed. Besides how do you clean and oil the internals if you don't ever take anything apart?

Bill

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oupa
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Re: taking apart a double [Re: chrispie]
#53774 - 01/04/06 09:47 AM

Don't take this the wrong way, but if you have to ask, its probably not a good idea to try it. Find a gunsmith who knows something about doubles and let him do it.

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chrispie
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Re: taking apart a double [Re: oupa]
#53776 - 01/04/06 11:37 AM

thats what i had mentioned, just send it out once a year for a go over and internal cleaning,

but banzaibird post also makes sence, kinda make me want to know what my 500 looks like inside. but not having knowledge in stipping my double, and afraid of screwing it up, i'll leave mine alone,

but i can always play with my buddies 470 when or if he ever strips his

banzaibird post
" I understand what your saying and agree if indeed a warrenty could be voided. However I think it's pretty important to be familiar with all the working of your DR. That way if something went wrong in the field you may be able to not only diagnose the problem but possible fix it as well. You don't really think all those fine cased DR's with Screwdrivers included were put there for nothing do you? I'm pretty sure they expected the rifle owner to at least be able to do some basic stuff on their own if needed. Besides how do you clean and oil the internals if you don't ever take anything apart?"

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Lee440
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Re: taking apart a double [Re: chrispie]
#53803 - 02/04/06 02:11 AM

Jeez, I am glad I never listened to most of this crew as I was growing up! How does anyone ever attain any experience without trying? If you are a total klutz, please, leave it alone. But if you have patience and mechanical ability, by all means, go as far as your skill will take you. Most of the best gunsmiths I ever knew were self taught. I never would have learned to do stock work, rebarreling, etc. if I had not decided to give it a try. Having the correct screwdrivers and brass drifts and punches will keep you from commiting the cardinal sin of buggering up screw slots. Other than that, it is just disassmbling and reassembling. Lee.

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Judson
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Re: taking apart a double [Re: chrispie]
#54246 - 06/04/06 08:22 AM

Since doing stuff like what you are talking about is how I make my living I will throw in my two cents worth. First doubles are not like bolt guns and require some special tools to do the job right and not damage the gun be it rifle or shotgun. For example you have to have a way to compress the main spring in order to remove the hammer (Tumbler) pins or screws with out damage. It is also best if you have blocks to hold the action when working on it. Browns book on building double rifles on shotgun actions would be very helpful to you and gives patterns for making many of the tools you will need.
I am not saying do not take your gun apart but I am saying get the tools and knowledge first or you will be paying some one like me to try to straighten out your mistakes.

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gitano
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Re: taking apart a double [Re: Lee440]
#54293 - 06/04/06 11:54 PM

In reply to:

Jeez, I am glad I never listened to most of this crew as I was growing up! How does anyone ever attain any experience without trying? If you are a total klutz, please, leave it alone. But if you have patience and mechanical ability, by all means, go as far as your skill will take you. Most of the best gunsmiths I ever knew were self taught. I never would have learned to do stock work, rebarreling, etc. if I had not decided to give it a try. Having the correct screwdrivers and brass drifts and punches will keep you from commiting the cardinal sin of buggering up screw slots. Other than that, it is just disassmbling and reassembling. Lee.

Ditto.

Paul

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zimhunter
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Re: taking apart a double [Re: chrispie]
#54305 - 07/04/06 01:40 AM

I also have a Merkel 470, and have never had it apart. Have most required tools but really see no real reason for dis-assembly. As far as field maintenance first you have to get the butt stock off which requires more than a regular screwdriver kit I would normally carry with me. If you do disassemble you would require the replacement part to effect a repair and in most cases that would be a spring you don't have. My Heym came with two spare strikers ( marked L & R ) in the gripcap, but did not have the spanner (special) required to replace them. I can safely state I've been shooting double guns both shotgun and rifle for over 50 years and have yet to disassemble one for any reason. I have disassembled literally hundreds of boltguns and handguns in that same timeframe but never a doublegun. Just lucky I suppose.

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