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hoppdoc
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Talking with ANIMAL LOVERS & SUCH
      #52663 - 17/03/06 11:39 AM

Talking with a female office worker who was anti-hunting and who relegated hunting and particularly African hunting to feats of insecure impotent males trying to become macho by killing Bambi provoked questions--

I told her I don't shoot an animal unless it is a food source or a predator.Yes, most all of those african animals shot and harvested DO feed people!!
She refused offer of lean elk backstraps I havested because it was "wild" while eating a hamburger and fries!!

Her answer-mankind should leave the animnals and wilderness alone!! Why?
Why ? Why? No answer-- other than killing anything is wrong. She thought we should just look at them in National Geographic!!
No response about what happened to the now deceased beef she was eating!!

Antihunting and I presume anti-male as well. What a dunderhead!!

When can we get them brains that work?

REQUEST- When people ask your hobbies- tell them and DEFEND HUNTING if they spout idiocy!

Sorry--
End of Rant

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500Nitro
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Re: Talking with ANIMAL LOVERS & SUCH [Re: hoppdoc]
      #52664 - 17/03/06 11:43 AM


I agree - hypocrasy

A bit like Greenies who like all things wood and generally
have heaps of utensils, artefacts, tables etc in the houses
they live in - often made out of non plantation wood !!!

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JPK
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Re: Talking with ANIMAL LOVERS & SUCH [Re: 500Nitro]
      #52671 - 17/03/06 03:37 PM

Usulally they are wearing leather shoes and belt, not vegetarians. I tell them I like to do some of the killing myself instead of relying on hired help. That I don't mind beng directly responsible for the (hopefully) quick and humane death of an animal that lived relatively well compared to the animals they are indirectly responsible for killing.

As for Vegans, they are generally beyond thought. But I have some respect for their consistency, even while having none for their views. We are predators, eyes to the front, canine teeth and digestive eystems and all. Give me the three part stomach of ruminants and I'll think grass is something other than a bother to cut.

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Re: Talking with ANIMAL LOVERS & SUCH [Re: JPK]
      #52700 - 18/03/06 07:48 AM

If God didn't want us to eat animals, than he shouldn't have made them out of meat.

I was once asked, "how can you shoot Bambi?"

I told the person that I'm a responsible shooter and hunter and only shoot animals and targets, not children's books with Bambi in it, TVs playing the Bambi movie, etc...

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Grizzly
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Re: Talking with ANIMAL LOVERS & SUCH [Re: clark7781]
      #52738 - 19/03/06 01:45 AM

I spent about 5 years working 2 weeks a month just North of San Francisco. In all tat time, I met only one other hunter. That is a place where hunting is vilified.

Other than the usual banter of the pro animal using contract killings to put meat on their tables or clothe them in leather, I would ask them if they ever saw an animal starve to death. Not a pretty sight. Most hunters I know are also avid conservationists, and it is our activities, license fees, etc., that provide the means to ensure healthy populations of wild animals.

Hunting seasons are regulated either by time or number of animals killed. Since few of our typical prey aniumals here in the US have any risk from natural predators, it is up to the hunting community to keep the populations in check. We do what nature did when predators kept populations in check.

The next question is usually - "Do you enjoy killing". My answer is no, but I do enjoy hunting. We are at the top of the food chain, and God gave us dominion over all of the animals on Earth. That is a large responsibility. Which, at least for some of us, makes hunting a spiritual endeavor. We conserve, we protect, and we take only what we can use or what others can use.

The same people in California who abhor hunting are also the first ones to complain when the deer destroy their landscaping, when wild boars dig up their yards and when mountain lions take up residence in the suburbs.

Most of these people cannot engage in a rational discussion. Offer to take them hunting, and after they say "No", promise them that you'll give them a good 5 minute head start....

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hoppdoc
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Re: Talking with ANIMAL LOVERS & SUCH [Re: Grizzly]
      #52742 - 19/03/06 03:09 AM

What is it I so enjoy so much about hunting??

Is it the killing of animals? NO- any good shot=harvested animal

Is it the trophy on the wall that supposedly makes me more "macho"? NO-

Is it the control and direction of powerful firearms? Somewhat, but I like fast cars and powerful computers as well.

Maybe it is being one with nature and feeling the incredible rush and connection with game when I successfully stalk or am surprised by big game freeranging on THEIR turf,!!

It is the ethical success and spoils enjoyed by the supreme predator, man.Contrary to naturelovers BS that is not evil - the products of the hunt are used productively for mankind.

Nothing I have ever found is quite like it.

That's why I hunt.

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Edited by hoppdoc (19/03/06 03:14 AM)

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shakari
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Re: Talking with ANIMAL LOVERS & SUCH [Re: hoppdoc]
      #52753 - 19/03/06 07:17 AM

The anti hunting lobby in the UK is unbelievably strong. About 12 years ago when I was living there, I had a visit from a cop from Special Branch who told me I'd been targeted by a bunch of antis...... for the next year or so, my phones were tapped, my post was diverted to check for letter bombs and I had to look under my car, my wife's and my (step)son's car to check for letter bombs before they were driven....... There have been instances of similar groups kidnapping hunters and branding them before releasing them....Consequently I have no time for the bastards and if they don't like what I do, I'll try to explain once at the very most. - After that, they can bugger off and go and annoy someone else..

Trying to explain the urge we feel to hunt to a non hunter is like trying to explain colour to a blind man.....

Other than that, I'm quite easy going about the whole thing.



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hoppdoc
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Re: Talking with ANIMAL LOVERS & SUCH [Re: shakari]
      #52756 - 19/03/06 08:29 AM

I am in the Southeastern US where deer/turkey hunting is native culture.

Screwing around with hunters here is kinda like throwing rocks at a hornets nest. I live in the country and hearing shots in season is common and accepted. Aggravate and p*ssing of a good ole boy is just begging for pure H*LL to pay. Would you directly offend an armed man's, gun skills,his manhood and then spit in hisface??Its equivilent!!Yup, just like Russian Roulette at a minimum.

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bulldog563
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Re: Talking with ANIMAL LOVERS & SUCH [Re: Grizzly]
      #52775 - 19/03/06 03:06 PM

"I spent about 5 years working 2 weeks a month just North of San Francisco. In all tat time, I met only one other hunter. That is a place where hunting is vilified."

-Grizzly

Tell me about it. I live in the Bay Area and hunting is not discussed openly. There are definitely hunters around but not many and those that do hunt keep a low profile lest you be harrased daily by the Anti's.

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allenday
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Re: Talking with ANIMAL LOVERS & SUCH [Re: hoppdoc]
      #52799 - 20/03/06 01:36 AM

The anits are utterly hypocritical in every way. I've seen any number of sworn vegetarians wearing leather belts, leather-strapped Birkenstocks, etc. They make me sick, and I do my best to avoid them at all costs. That's the best way to communicate with them -- avoidance!

But sometimes you're forced to mingle anyway. I was once at a party one time in liberal Portland, and one of the loony New Age guests claimed to have a rabbit as her personal "spirit guide". She then produced, of all things, a "chanting drum", which she announced had a cover made of elk hide!

My comment to that: "I guess a 'spirit guide' must have bit the dust in order for you to have that drum!"

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Genesis 9:1-3

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