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hoppdoc
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HEAD-ON BUFF SHOT,--?SPINE or HEART/LUNG?
      #52322 - 13/03/06 11:22 PM

I have spoken with several PH's and for a direct head on or mmimally quartering shot they suggest the heart shot.Although certainly effective as a killing shot this does not appeal to me if the animal then bolts right at me with one shot remaining in the double. The animal can be dead on his feet, hook me, and still plow thru me like a freight train!!

The anterior neck shot has merit and may be more effective with a greater ?margin for large caliber doubles.More shock and energy supposedly.

I generally avoid the front on neck shot on large animals due to the chance of wounding/loosing the animals.

What head-on shot do the members of this forum recommend with a cape buffalo? What results have you seen?

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Re: HEAD-ON BUFF SHOT,--?SPINE or HEART/LUNG? [Re: hoppdoc]
      #52323 - 13/03/06 11:37 PM

In reply to:

this does not appeal to me if the animal then bolts right at me with one shot remaining in the double



That is what the second barrel is for.
If something goes bad after the first shot you have that second barrel ready to go.

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Re: HEAD-ON BUFF SHOT,--?SPINE or HEART/LUNG? [Re: hoppdoc]
      #52329 - 14/03/06 12:51 AM

hoppdoc:
See my earlier post in the African Hunting forum. I like the frontal spine-shot, its a marvellous killer and will always drop the bull on the spot, but as 4seventy says, if you don't have confidence in your shooting ability then it may be best to avoid front-on shots at DG altogether.

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hoppdoc
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Re: HEAD-ON BUFF SHOT,--?SPINE or HEART/LUNG? [Re: Marrakai]
      #52344 - 14/03/06 02:14 AM

No problems with my shooting I am aware of.

Just have never tried the spine shot as everyone has advised it as very tricky to hit. At close range on a cape it may be easier.

I have had elk jump back up from a frontal shot after being stunned and requiring another off hand chest shot to drop him.But this was at 125 yds. I was fortunate to hit him hard and finish it.

Bizarre question--What is the relative size % of the spine shot vs the chest shot? 50% smaller?

If I neck shoot a cape but worry about just stunning him temporarily I assume I should charge the animal with the one shot left and brain shoot him. A role reversal to speak of.That would be interesting!Otherwise if he gets up just stunned he is going to be REALLY pissed!!

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shakari
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Re: HEAD-ON BUFF SHOT,--?SPINE or HEART/LUNG? [Re: hoppdoc]
      #52359 - 14/03/06 05:08 AM

As usual, there are a lot of variables here.... if the client were using a .375 or was maybe a less than an excellent shot, I'd probably try to wait until the animal turns...... if he were using something a little bigger I'd make a decision based on factors such as whether the animal had it's head up or down and whether we had time to wait or not.

If the head was up and the Buff watching us (this happens quite often) I'd prefer the client to go for a frontal chest shot.....FWIW, I've never had a Buff charge immediatly after taking the bullet from this position....... they usually either go down or more often furn and run. Note that the dewlap on a Buff has a massive mattressing sffect and the larger the calibre the better for this shot......

If the animal were feeding with his head down, I'd either wait or depending on the clients self control and shooting ability etc, I'd suggest he either take the spine shot or wait for a better opportunity.

Other factors also come in on a shot like this..... such as is it the first or last day of the hunt, is it the biggest Buff I've ever seen and a few more besides etc etc......

If it's a charge situation, I tend to shoot them somewhere in the face....exactly where will depend on the exact position of the animal in relation to me.......

Opinions are best based on previous practical experiences and my previous practical experiences have taught me that it's highly unusual for a Buff that's just taken the first shot to charge. Assuming they don't die there and then, they'll usually turn and run a few hundred yards (at least) and then look for some thick cover to hide up in....... that's when they either lie down, bleed out and die or build up a lot of angry resentment that they take out on the whoever crosses their path next...... usually the hunting party.

I'm not suggesting they won't ever charge immediatly after taking the first shot, just that from my personal experiences it's not very likely.....

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Edited by shakari (14/03/06 05:17 AM)

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