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BlainSmipy
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Hollis 500/450
      #51513 - 05/03/06 11:22 AM

Recommended loads for this?

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Re: First firing of project gun #1 50-90 Sharps 2.5" [Re: BlainSmipy]
      #51525 - 05/03/06 12:21 PM

Details man, we need details. Ohh and pics.

So what is the donor gun? Did you build a monoblock or cut and sleeve the old barrels? Anything to hide the joint where monoblock/barrel stubs meet the barrel? What was the original proof? What did you use for a proofing load? Did you have any change in tolorences after the proofing load? Is it already regulated or are you still building loads for pressure? What load do you want to use?

These are just a few questions. i could ask more.

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      #51675 - 07/03/06 05:22 AM

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Re: First firing of project gun #1 50-90 Sharps 2.5" [Re: BlainSmipy]
      #51676 - 07/03/06 05:28 AM

Sounds like a great start to a test that I for one am very interested in hearing of the ruslts. Good or bad. What did you use as the donor action? Barrels monoblocked or sleeved?

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Re: First firing of project gun #1 50-90 Sharps 2.5" [Re: BlainSmipy]
      #51678 - 07/03/06 06:00 AM

Way to go - sounds great so far.
: Important to casting, is the alloy, and final size of the bullet. You will find a difference in shooting with different lubes.
: Lube that worked for me with smokeless loads, are SPG, 60/40 mix of Beeswax/Vaseline. I had less than stellar results with the alox lubes, even with smokless loads. Anther lube that shows promise is Lyman Moly lube in the stick form for lube-sizers, but testing on that one is on-going at this time. I even tested some sprayed with Hoppe's moly lube and they shot without leading with reasonable accuracy.
: Bullets, I've found, should be .002" LARGER than the groove diameter. .001" is OK, but groove size will normally lead the bore and shoot poorly. At 1,900 to 2,100fps, straight WW alloy shot well for me, but WW are a bit harder up here than the US equivalent.
; Questions?
1/. did the bullets lead the bore?
2/. what diameter are they ready to load?
3/. what is the groove diameter of the barrel?
3/. what is the rate of twist?
4/. are your groupings lefts and rights including any divergence or crossing of the barrels.
: Do keep up posted - a most interesting rifle, indeed. Great performance so far. The accuracy will come with bullet and load developement, I am certain.
: BTW- IMR 3031 is a very accurate powder for the big cases. A filler may not be necessary with it. As well, 4895 is another good performer, being just a shade hotter than Varget. As well, it may not need the filler. I would be using magnum primers. All straight cases seem to prefer them. With BP loads, the FED215 is THE primer to use. Personally, I'd use them for all loads.

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Edited by Daryl_S (07/03/06 06:03 AM)

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BlainSmipy
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      #51679 - 07/03/06 06:11 AM

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Re: First firing of project gun #1 50-90 Sharps 2.5" [Re: BlainSmipy]
      #51683 - 07/03/06 06:40 AM

I'm not surprised at the Stoeger strength. I use a Condor Supreme as my beater gun. It is the gun I generally take on the boat duck hunting into the muddy field goose hunting etc. I can't complain and like you got my o/u for about $300.

The project sounds good so far. As I said I'm interested to hear how it does over the long haul. I know what you mean with a lot of other things than merely building a set of barrels. My first homemade DR was a 38-55 using heavy barrels. In fact the gun has all the grace of a demolition derby. I beleive the gun weighs around 12 pounds. With BP and cast bullets it has virtually no recoil though.

Anyway I look forward to hearing how the project is working out.

Are you planning on marketing the guns to the public?

BB

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Re: First firing of project gun #1 50-90 Sharps 2.5" [Re: BlainSmipy]
      #51688 - 07/03/06 07:54 AM

Congratulations!

I have an Uplander, which I planned to use as a basis for a conversion at first, but latter, I found a good deal on a Beretta and used it instead. I also prefer the Beretta because of the third fastener.

Let us know the next steps.

Fred

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Re: First firing of project gun #1 50-90 Sharps 2.5" [Re: BlainSmipy]
      #51750 - 08/03/06 05:23 AM

So, I understood it well: you are really using a Brazilian action for your Double Rifle!!
Go get some pictures of it, right now!!!

Fred

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Re: First firing of project gun #1 50-90 Sharps 2.5" [Re: doublegunfan]
      #51774 - 08/03/06 08:49 AM

Hey Fred how are the Armentino's viewed down there? Here' they are considered about the same as the Baikal's but i think they are a bit nicer in both appearence and finsh. Though still not any where near refined.

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Hollis 500/450 [Re: doublegunfan]
      #51778 - 08/03/06 10:04 AM

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      #51781 - 08/03/06 11:10 AM

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Re: First firing of project gun #1 50-90 Sharps 2.5" [Re: banzaibird]
      #51825 - 09/03/06 06:41 AM

BB,

Our shooters like them, mostly because maintenance, if needed, is right around the corner. I don't have any complains of my two Boitos, a SxS and an O/U. Mostly, it is viewed as an entry level shotgun that you will sell latter when you find a Beretta or any other Italian gun. But E. R. Amantino is trying hard to improve their products, and new Boitos are certainly way better than older ones.

When I first bought my SxS, the first idea was to use it for slugs only, so I added very simple rifle sights to it and the barrel was cut down to 24", which eliminated the chokes (it was IM/F). It is a beater, as some say, and I think it is a perfect gun for deer/boars.

Now if Boito is a good action for a Double Rifle is another thing . The one feature I don't like in it for this purpose is the lack of a third locking, like a Greener cross bolt. But, when you see the results of Colorado's project gun, I am forced to reconsider that. It is obvious that his gun passed proof and it will give him good service for years. Maybe I am being just a little bit too conservative. The price and ready availability of new actions is a big plus for Boito. Besides, nobody will tell you: "what have you done? this is a classic gun and you destroyed it!!"

I will try to get some pictures of my own Boito for you guys to see.

Fred

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Re: First firing of project gun #1 50-90 Sharps 2.5" [Re: BlainSmipy]
      #51827 - 09/03/06 06:59 AM

I just love doubles with hammers.
TKS!

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      #51838 - 09/03/06 08:20 AM

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Re: 200+ Hot loads fired thus far [Re: BlainSmipy]
      #52720 - 18/03/06 04:14 PM

This is where it should get interesting.
Get it dialed in!

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Re: 200+ Hot loads fired thus far [Re: AkMike]
      #52768 - 19/03/06 12:20 PM

This is where it gets interesting! For moose and bear this is looking like a great thing CO. I want to hunt with a double rifle but do not want to worry about it. I want something to use that is effective but not an investment to put at risk.

Form follows function in my book and especially up here where we hope and can be 50 miles from a road without a gunsmith in sight.

Keep on measuring and keep on shooting CO. Above all, keep us posted.

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Re: 200+ Hot loads fired thus far [Re: 577500WR]
      #52769 - 19/03/06 12:32 PM

It's about time you came outt'a the closet 577500WR!

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Re: 200+ Hot loads fired thus far [Re: AkMike]
      #52772 - 19/03/06 02:09 PM

Thanks Mike,

Just looked out the window and spotted about 15 ravens cavorting on the hillside before going to roost. Like them, I have been lurking about too long without being seen and posting.

I am truly excited about the initiative some of the members here have...building up their own doubles! Hats off to each of you.

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Re: 200+ Hot loads fired thus far [Re: BlainSmipy]
      #52878 - 21/03/06 05:27 AM

Colorado, would a .405 win. be feasable on a 20 ga. Stoeger action? or possibly 45-90, 9.3 x74r? very intrested in your venture, please keep postings current. thanx, Kurt.

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405 Win and 45 caliber builds [Re: kweber]
      #52890 - 21/03/06 08:48 AM

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Re: 405 Win and 45 caliber builds [Re: BlainSmipy]
      #52901 - 21/03/06 10:46 AM

Thank you for the reply. I did not know Stoeger have a true 16 ga. action. also what about .30-30, 32 win and 35 rem? would the 20 ga. hold up? I'm not a gunsmith, just instrested in the project you have undertaken. Kurt.

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