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allenday
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Your dream battery of safari rifles.............
#48372 - 29/01/06 04:22 AM

Just for fun, let's say you had a rich uncle who generously offered you the opportunity have your dream battery of African safari guns put together, with a maximum of four individual firearms. Your uncle would pick up the entire tab, and you would not be restricted by any spending limits to put this dream battery together. All selections are entirely your own. Uncle is only paying the bill......

What would you choose, and why?

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Re: Your dream battery of safari rifles............. [Re: allenday]
#48378 - 29/01/06 05:23 AM

Boy oh Boy Allen! You're really opening up a can of worms here

! Ok, I'll start it off:

1. A lovely vintage DR from Rigby, in .470 Nitro Express. (Who wouldn't want one?)

2. A bolt action from Rigby in, what else, .416 Rigby. (Same reason as above)

3. A custom Winchester Mod.70 in .375 Ackley, to be the
twin of the one I now own.(It's my favorite rifle)

4. A Holland & Holland 12 guage, side by side. (I held on a few years ago, and it was incredible!)

See, I didn't get too greedy. And with the money I saved my dear uncle, perhaps he would pay for my Safaris to test them out.

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Re: Your dream battery of safari rifles............. [Re: allenday]
#48384 - 29/01/06 07:41 AM

Here's mine:

1. Westley Richards sidelock .500 nitro (new)

2. Purdey sidelock 450/400 (new)

3. Dakota 76 Traveler African grade in .375 and .300 H&H

4. Boss side by side 12 gauge

If my most generous uncle considers the Dakota's second barrel as two guns I'll order the .300 barrel later

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Re: Your dream battery of safari rifles........... [Re: allenday]
#48388 - 29/01/06 09:11 AM

Holland Royal in 500/465

Mauser in 375 built by Ryan Breeding

Bell's 275 Rigby currently in possesion of Mark Selby

SXS Purdey 12ga

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JoeR
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Re: Your dream battery of safari rifles........... [Re: bulldog563]
#48398 - 29/01/06 09:43 AM

1.Winchester Mod 70, 458WM

2.Rigby Model No. 4 in 350 Rigby Magnum

3.Winchester Model 70, 300H&H

4.Woodward O/U, 12 ga.

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Longbob
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Re: Your dream battery of safari rifles........... [Re: allenday]
#48399 - 29/01/06 09:58 AM

Allen,

I would certainly like to hear your choices. You have forgotten more than I'll ever know about the higher end offerings.

Based on what little I know, I'm sure I'd mix in a D'Arcy Echols DG rifle in a 458 Lott and a plains game rifle from him in a 30-06. I realize that those may be boring calibers to most, but I'm a boring caliber kind of guy. These would be stocked with his version of the McMillan synthetic stock. Hopefully, these two would get enough use and wear that I am required to have them reblued annually.

I would require only one more rifle. It would be a 375 H&H done by the Biesens (open sights only) that would be nice enough that they would be reluctant to turn it over to me when finished. This would be the rifle that I would coon finger back in camp while fantasizing about the hunts to come. Knowing that I could use this rifle on any of them and look quite stylish in the process.

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allenday
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Re: Your dream battery of safari rifles........... [Re: Longbob]
#48404 - 29/01/06 10:52 AM

Longbob, if you ever get a Biesen 375 H&H, I think you'll be glad you did. There's a nice one for sale on their website right now:

www.biesen.com

I'll name some guns I don't have as my dream battery......

1) Echols "Classic" on a Model 70 action in 375 H&H, 24" bbl., with French walnut stock, red "Silvers" pad, open sights, detachable mounts -- the works.

2) Echols "Classic" on a Model 70 action in 300 H&H, French walnut stock, scope-only, but otherwise closingly matching the 375 H&H.

3) Westley Richards best-quality double with 26" bbls. in 500 NE........

4) Winchester Model 21 12 gauge, 26" bbls. IC/M, pistol grip stock.

That's as far as I'd personally every want to go

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Longbob
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Re: Your dream battery of safari rifles........... [Re: allenday]
#48408 - 29/01/06 11:13 AM

Allen,

I saw that rifle and it is exactly the one that I would like to have. I've got way too many rifles and I need to do a major fire sale. Then I could end up with my "perfect battery." With, of course, a couple of back-ups.

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Re: Your dream battery of safari rifles............. [Re: allenday]
#48433 - 29/01/06 01:38 PM

Very interesting post
1. Holland and Holland 12 bore paradox
2. Griffin and Howe .358 Norma mag
3. Holland and Holland 577bpe with hard cast bullets

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Re: Your dream battery of safari rifles............. [Re: allenday]
#48434 - 29/01/06 01:57 PM

David McKay Brown 470NE side x side
David McKay Brown 20ga O/U
Dakota Traveler Africa Grade 375 H&H / 300 H&H
David Miller 7x57

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Re: Your dream battery of safari rifles............. [Re: zimhunter]
#48460 - 29/01/06 09:32 PM

1:h&h 600 nitro
2:h&h 12 guage
3:303brit

Edited by 303 (29/01/06 09:37 PM)

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Re: Your dream battery of safari rifles............. [Re: 303]
#48463 - 30/01/06 12:08 AM

Gentlemen

1. Hartmann & Weiss magnum mauser, 416 Rigby

2. Martini & Hagn, ZG-47 action, 8X68S

3. Martini & Hagn, ZG-47 action, 7X64 Brenneke

4. Drilling 12X70, 9,3X65R Brenneke by Johann Franzoj, Hambrusch or H. Scheiring.

Cheers
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Re: Your dream battery of safari rifles............. [Re: allenday]
#48500 - 30/01/06 03:55 AM

Allen,

With that big cheque book open then:

30/378 and 378 Weatherbys with birdseye maple and Kreiger cut barrel and action work etc and plain barrels.

300 H&H and 375 H&H Echols with wood and with sights and detachable mounts.

Like the Weatherbys, the only difference between the two Echols would be the hole in the barrel and the grain difference between the two stocks.

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Re: Your dream battery of safari rifles............. [Re: Mike_McGuire]
#48518 - 30/01/06 07:05 AM

I have my perfect battery.

500/465 Holland

.369 Purdey

.303 Watson Bros

Add in a Purdey 12 self opener and I'm happy.

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500grains
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Re: Your dream battery of safari rifles........... [Re: mickey]
#48551 - 30/01/06 01:34 PM

My dream battery:

Any set of rifles that I can afford to own after shooting 100 elephants.

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303
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Re: Your dream battery of safari rifles........... [Re: 500grains]
#48574 - 30/01/06 06:46 PM

mickey thats a very nice collection of fine doubles in good calibers a thing of beauty is a joy forever

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bulldog563
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Re: Your dream battery of safari rifles........... [Re: mickey]
#48584 - 30/01/06 07:48 PM

For some reason those Holland 500/465 really get me. As soon as I can afford one there will be one in my safe. I am jealous. Any chance you could post more pics and info on it?

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EricD
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Re: Your dream battery of safari rifles........... [Re: 500grains]
#48601 - 30/01/06 10:00 PM

In reply to:

My dream battery:

Any set of rifles that I can afford to own after shooting 100 elephants.

The wisest post so far!

But it's a rich fantasy uncle who's going to pay for all the guns, so your post doesn't count!

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EricD
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Re: Your dream battery of safari rifles........... [Re: allenday]
#48602 - 30/01/06 10:18 PM

Hartmann & Weiss Take-down M98 Magnum Mauser, 416 Rigby

Hartmann & Weiss Take-down M98 Mauser, 7x64 Brenneke

David McKay Brown round action, 450NE 3 1/4

Purdey self-opening, 20 gauge

McKay Brown round action:

I would also request from this rich fantasy uncle that he foots the bill for a yearly month long safari for the two of us, so he can see the guns in action.

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Marrakai
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Re: Your dream battery of safari rifles........... [Re: EricD]
#48605 - 30/01/06 11:40 PM

Holland Royal SLE in .577 x 2 3/4 NE,

Jeffery SLE with 24in barrels in .400 3inch NE,

Mannlicher Schoenauer M1903 carbine in 6.5 MS with factory clip-off Pecar or Kahles scope,

Westley Richards drop-lock ejector 12-bore 'Explora'.

...and then I woke up!

Anyone spot my deliberate mistake?
I left out the Rigby SLE .470 with Bissell-patent rising third bite!

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Re: Your dream battery of safari rifles........... [Re: Marrakai]
#48614 - 31/01/06 01:39 AM

My fantasy choices:

.500 3" NE - H&H or Westley Richards sidelock - for the big stuff close up.

.450/.300 3" or 3 1/4", scoped in QD mounts - as my general 'medium' bore double rifle, larger plains game or plains game as needed. Perhaps even a modern made DR in .500/.416

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.300 H&H Mag Johannsen (or similar) M98 takedown, scoped - plains game rifle and world medium game hunting rifle. Takedown so it fits in a nice DR sized case. Perhaps a second barrel in .375 H&H.

Purdey 12-bore side by side - for some relaxing bird shooting between the 21 day elephant safaris my rich Uncle will pay for me. After all it is no good having all the hardware without having safaris to use them on!

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allenday
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Re: Your dream battery of safari rifles........... [Re: EricD]
#48616 - 31/01/06 01:46 AM

That McKay Brown action is amazing........

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SuperX
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Re: Your dream battery of safari rifles............. [Re: allenday]
#48621 - 31/01/06 02:11 AM

I seem to have gravitated to good sturdy classic American made guns..... My “dream gun” list is as follows:

1. 1956 Winchester M70 458 African Super Grade
2. 1958 Winchester M70 338 Win Mag
3. 1963 Winchester M70 300 Win Mag
(All first year of production for the caliber), and
4. 1957 Winchester M21 12ga. 28”, .018/.027, pg, sf

Nothing fancy, just basic, quality tools.

Through the years I’ve collected/used scores of long guns (many of which I still own), including; Custom German Weatherby’s, High Grade Belgian Browning’s, Pre-64 M70’s, and custom made guns, in most all the calibers/gauges.... even a few Rigby Mausers and Italian Shotguns. But the long road has led to this brace of Winchesters, as my “personal” top 4 guns. Like I said, nothing fancy, or majestic, but nothing that I’m ashamed to be seen with either.

And yes, I currently own my “dream” guns (a couple deep in several actually).

(edited to go with the 28" M21, if i could only have one, it'd have to be it... just a little more versatile)

Edited by SuperX (31/01/06 10:38 AM)

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romojr
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Re: Your dream battery of safari rifles............. [Re: SuperX]
#48635 - 31/01/06 04:20 AM

I'll play...Dear Rich Uncle...

1. Westley Richards .470NE side lock

2. Holland & Holland "best quality" .375 bolt action

3. Holland & Holland "best quality" .300 bolt action

4. Matching pair of J. Purdey & Sons "best quality" 12 bore side by side, 26" barrels

All in left hand

Edited by romojr (31/01/06 04:25 AM)

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Re: Your dream battery of safari rifles............. [Re: romojr]
#48646 - 31/01/06 06:34 AM

My dream battery which I already own.

Westley Richards BL Ejector 500 NE

Westley Richards BL Extractor 500/465 NE

Thomas Bland Take Down 404 Jeffrey

W J Jeffrey 375H&H I shoot well with it

Win Model 70 30-06 Needs better Scope

Brno Mod 2 in .22 cal

Holland Royal 12 Gauge Shotgun

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Marrakai
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Re: Your dream battery of safari rifles............. [Re: 500Nitro]
#48683 - 31/01/06 11:38 AM

Can't count, dear boy? Pick four.

....and you left out your Rigby, too!

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SeanZ
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Re: Your dream battery of safari rifles........... [Re: Marrakai]
#48798 - 01/02/06 12:50 PM

Here's my pick
1 One of Butch Searcy's new classic models in 450/400
2 My Winchester model 70 .375 H&H
3 A Drilling in 12x12x30-06.
Best regards--Sean

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Raff
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Re: Your dream battery of safari rifles........... [Re: SeanZ]
#48803 - 01/02/06 02:04 PM

Not that I will ever get my hands on the full set, but,

small rifle;
Mauser bolt in 275 Rigby by John Rigby
not so small rifle;
Mauser bolt in 416 Rigby by Who else? John Rigby
have to have some doubles;
375 flanged Mag. in a H&H Royal dbl.
Westley Richards stopper in .577-3" regulated for
the 650-90 cordite load.

I can dream
Raff

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Re: Your dream battery of safari rifles........... [Re: Raff]
#49055 - 03/02/06 09:12 AM

2triggers,

Neither will I ever get my hands on this set but this is a fun topic.

Here goes:

1. Greener Facile Princeps double rifle in 303

2. David MacKay Brown/Dickson Bar in Wood action double rifle in 450-400

3. AA Brown sidelock 12 bore shotgun

4. A David Norin bolt action in 30-06 on one of the colour case hardened original Oberndorf actions that he showed me for longer shots. I still am in raptures over it and happy for whoever the final owner is going to be

Cheers and good hunting!

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Re: Your dream battery of safari rifles............. [Re: allenday]
#49133 - 04/02/06 06:03 AM

This is exactly why economics is known as the dismal science. Unlimited wants and limited resources just keep banging heads.

But, assuming an insanely rich uncle, here goes:

1. New .577 3" NE caliber Holland & Holland Royal double rifle.
2. New .470 NE caliber Westley Richards sidelock double rifle.
3. New .375 H&H Magnum caliber Hartmann & Weiss double square bridge magnum Mauser bolt action rifle with Talley QD mounted Schmidt & Bender Zenith 1.5-6 with Flash Dot reticle.
4. New .300 H&H Magnum caliber Hartmann & Weiss double square bridge magnum Mauser bolt action rifle with Talley QD mounted Schmidt & Bender Zenith 2.5-10 with No. 4 reticle.

Needless to say, all of the above would be bespoke.

Gotta stay with the classics and the best!

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Re: Your dream battery of safari rifles............. [Re: MRobinson]
#49287 - 06/02/06 01:55 PM

Just for fun I took a quick tour of the guns available on some common internet gun sites. I thought this way
if my "rich Uncle" needed to know how big a check to send I could give him a total.

Also, I tried to stay with Vintage British weapons & also tried to keep makers with their their own calibers.

LIGHT (PG) RIFLE:

Westley Richards Bolt-Action 318 WR $6750
(Steve Barnett Fine Arms)

MEDIUM (All-Around) RIFLE:

John Rigby Bolt-Action 416 Rigby $35,000
(Schwandt Classic Arms)
*would have strongly considered an original .404 Jeffery if I could have found one

LARGE (Stopper) RIFLE:

Holland & Holland "Royal" Double .500 NE $49,000
(Fred Roberts)

SHOTGUN:

Purdey SLE 12 guage $29,750
(Hallowell & Co)

So, for a grand total of $120,500 I believe this is a reasonable "Dream Battery" for any safari. What I think
is amazing is that a new "H & H" Double Rifle would be a 2 year wait & cost more than all 4 of my guns.

I would also ask my uncle to throw in a 28 day safari to Tanzania to try these out!

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allenday
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Re: Your dream battery of safari rifles............. [Re: cowboy]
#49333 - 07/02/06 02:26 AM

That would be a very smart way to go. Quality, second-hand custom rifles and shotguns can be extremely good buys that can save you a lot of money, provided they're what you want.

You all have great taste!

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Re: Your dream battery of safari rifles............. [Re: allenday]
#49512 - 08/02/06 12:19 PM

Hmmmmm......

1. Holland & Holland Royal in 470NE for the big,

2. Rigby's own .416 Rigby bolt rifle for the bad,

3. Hartman-Weiss .375 H&H bolt rifle for the ugly, and...

4. MacKay Brown 20 gauge sxs for the dainty!

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jorge
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Re: Your dream battery of safari rifles............. [Re: bwanamrm]
#49549 - 09/02/06 05:11 AM

H&H Royal double in 500 N.E.
WOOD stocked Echols Legend in 375 H&H Mag scoped of course
Weatherby Crown Custom in 300 Weatherby
Purdey 12ga SXS

Jeez, just four Allen?

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bonanza
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Re: Your dream battery of safari rifles............. [Re: jorge]
#49563 - 09/02/06 07:15 AM

Marlin 45/70 for the big
Remington 700 375 ultra mag for the bad
Whinchester 12 pump for the birds

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bonanza
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Re: Your dream battery of safari rifles............. [Re: bonanza]
#49566 - 09/02/06 07:29 AM

Seriously,

H&H royal 500/465 double
Left Hand Dakota African .375 H&H w/QD Leopold 2x-7x
Remington XB40 .308 win. w/ 20+ power scope
Purdy 12 gauge SxS

All guns would be new of course.

Estimate bill 180+6+3+80=$269,000.00

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bonanza
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Re: Your dream battery of safari rifles............. [Re: bonanza]
#49568 - 09/02/06 07:48 AM

My actual battery:

1906 Jeffery 450No.2 double
2000 Merkel .375 H&H double
1982 Remington 7mm w/ Leopold 2x-7x
2004 Berreta ONYX 20g O/U

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Re: Your dream battery of safari rifles............. [Re: jorge]
#49619 - 10/02/06 12:35 AM

Jorge, go ahead and name a few more if you're so inclined!

After all, "Uncle" is footing the bill!

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