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Re: 12GA From Hell [Re: Daryl_S]
      #114474 - 15/09/08 03:33 PM

Here are more samples of nice 12ga slugs.....Here is pic of
ones RG Henson sent. Jacketed 12ga. 715gr hollowpoints,
on the right and in front a jkt 675gr hollowbase.
RG's number 1-770-366-4846. These will be great for
shorter plastic and brass cases as well as long cases.
Other slugs in pic, in the back, left to right
Foster 436gr- Dixie 600gr- 750gr brass- my 750gr hollowbase
brass, and a hollowpoint I put a lightweight filler in the nose
for streamlining..Ed



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Re: 12GA From Hell [Re: hubel458]
      #114639 - 17/09/08 01:38 PM

Two other 12ga slugs RG may do later on are full
jacketed ones. If interested in the hp one above
contact him at number above. He has to do a bunch
of them to get ahead to do others.And they will be
a fantastic deer, hog, bear slug. He is in Georgia.
Also, any of you who might want some of the 12GA FH
brass cases made from BMG brass, we have the fellow who
had the idea about the 12GA FH first, Rob on AR forum,
is planning on making them. He has got the machines to do
it now, that we didn't have before. Let me know how many
you are interested in getting, so he can plan and figure
the best price. He has a bunch of BMG cases to start with,
he and I have places to get more.I'm posting this all over.Ed

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Re: 12GA From Hell [Re: hubel458]
      #115739 - 28/09/08 02:34 PM

Testing 715gr jacketed hollowpoint from RG Henson in Savage 210.
With 30 inch barrel, long brass 3.85" case, big primer.
Slightly hairy load 290gr RL22--2700 fps. Shot moderate load
of 300gr W-860 -- 2400 fps for 3 shot group of 3" at 50
yards with my bad eyes and peep sights. They shoot nice, they go
into target straight.. Other nice thing the price from RG,
for customers getting in on his first run, $1.25 plus shipping.
That is less than half of what other big bore jkt bullets cost.
Call him for some great slugs. They are great like
the Dixie slugs. Ed

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Re: 12GA From Hell [Re: hubel458]
      #116111 - 02/10/08 01:13 PM

Lookee what another santa sent me.
A regular BMG case on the left, and
a straight BMG case on the right, and it
CAME FROM THE MANUFACTURER THAT WAY.

It is primer cartridge for large guns and howitzers.
It is used in those guns/cannons that have powder in big bags.
It is filled with powder and inserted into cannon breach and
when fired sets off the larger charge. On some cannon breaches
they have an automatic feed for these with a huge 40 round
drum magazine. This on is marked IVI 89 C67. IVI is Canadian.
On these breaches it is held by collet fingers for head space
and for ejection.

Ok, there are many thousands more of these out there than the
PROP cases I showed before. We need to find few barrels of these
and have Rob, etal, put on rims.... no annealing.....no fireforming,
just slight resize to 12GA FH. Please help if you know of any.
They would save so much work and time..And even though fired
the bases are perfectly straight, another plus.....Ed



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Re: 12GA From Hell [Re: hubel458]
      #116377 - 06/10/08 02:34 PM

Here is a picture of RG's jacketed 715gr slugs in various
loads.First are 2.75" and 3" factory foster slugs\ for
comparison. 3rd is jkt HP in 3.5" plastic case, 4th in a
3" brass RMC case. 5th in a 3.5" brass case with small
primer, 6th in our long brass 3.85" case, big primer.
Top hairy load in long case in Savage, 2900..Ed



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Re: 12GA From Hell [Re: hubel458]
      #116389 - 07/10/08 12:47 AM

Ed- cool pics. What's the best load for a stock 210 Savage, factory barrel with a plastic case? I'd suggest with a solid slug at 600gr. or round ball about 545gr?

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Re: 12GA From Hell [Re: Daryl_S]
      #116836 - 13/10/08 02:05 PM

Stock 210 load- 600gr Dixie hard lead, 3" case,
use 75Gr of 4227gr for about 1500 fps.Now if heavier
barrel you can do more or if chamberlenthened do more.
Please notice in the picture above, cases loaded with
the 715 gr jacketed slugs, the 3rd and 4th ones.
They both have same 90gr of 4227, same number of
wads, shoot at 1700 in 24" NEF barrel. 3rd plastic is
3.5" case, the 4th brass is a 3" RMC. Both have shotgun
primers.The 5th longer case is a 3.5" strong
brass one I made from a PROP case, and when I put
in primer bushing, I set it up for shotgun primer. I
will test it with 4227 powder, 600gr and 715 gr slugs.
Also in a couple months Rob, who's idea the 12GA FH
was will be able to deliver the super strong 12GA FH
cases made from BMG brass. And the they will be
headstamped, all done by his CNC machine.Ed



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Re: 12GA From Hell [Re: hubel458]
      #116974 - 15/10/08 01:01 PM

RIP on AR Big bore forum is doing 835 Mossy and 1400gr Darwin slugs.
A 14.5 pound Ulti-Mag. The hollow part of the butt is filled with about 5.5 lbs of lead shot and epoxy. Has 4X Sightron in QRW rings. Do 3.5" plastic hulls with the Darwin in it first. It balances on the trigger. Loading the magazine with 4 and one up the spout will add about 1.25 pounds if the 5 rounds are "Darwins," and move the balance point to the front of the triggerguard.
It is heavier rifled 24" chromoly alloy barrel.

Brett in MN has Mossy 835, only with smoothbore barrel and gets
1oz finned plastic tail Ballistic Products slug to 2300 fps,
using shotgun powder.





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Re: 12GA From Hell [Re: hubel458]
      #117028 - 16/10/08 03:18 AM

Thanks for that info, Ed. I'll start with 60gr. in the 2 3/4" plastic case, w/round ball as I remember you suggested much earlier.

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Re: 12GA From Hell [Re: Daryl_S]
      #117080 - 17/10/08 01:08 AM

Quote from Ed - "Brett in MN has Mossy 835, only with smoothbore barrel and gets
1oz finned plastic tail Ballistic Products slug to 2300 fps,
using shotgun powder."
:
: In case some readers put faith in foot pounds per square inch, that 1 ounce bullet travelling at 2,300fps developes 5,140 fpe. That should handle deer within the shotgun's smoothbore accuracy range, shouldn't it?

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Re: 12GA From Hell [Re: Daryl_S]
      #117155 - 18/10/08 09:06 AM

Yup! even the big ones.

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Re: 12GA From Hell [Re: bigdog]
      #117166 - 18/10/08 03:17 PM

Still testing 8ga I have setup in the Enfield.
It has a long smooth barrel. Those 8ga
heavy plastic cases are great. Fire them 4 times with
no resizing. Here is pic of slugs used in 8ga..
One and two are 1015gr hollowbase. Three and 4 are
875gr hollowbase. On four the cushion base is cut off
so I can use card wad and have more room for
powder.Ed



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Re: 12GA From Hell [Re: hubel458]
      #117172 - 18/10/08 06:39 PM

More room fore powder One would think a 8 gauge 3,5" case would hold all the powder that one could ever want. When you are done testing i will build one 8 gauge, a double jones with hammers offcourse.

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Re: 12GA From Hell [Re: 450_366]
      #117357 - 21/10/08 08:51 PM

We got our RMC 3.5" brass 12ga cases. These are turned
cases using shotgun primer. They have nice thick base,
and a good radius in the corner. Got a Brenekke OK 437 gr
slug to 2800 fps, a 540gr Hammerhead slug to 2450. got 600gr
Dixie to 2300, the 715gr RG jacketed to 2130, and a 1400gr
Darwin to 1400 plus. Tested in NEF. Shot one case 15 times
and still going strong, tight primer, with loads running about
20- 24,000 psi.I have pics of cases soon, and we also will
test these brass ones and 3.5" plastic in 12ga Encore
Prohunter..Ed

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Re: 12GA From Hell [Re: hubel458]
      #117698 - 26/10/08 04:20 PM

Here is picture of RMC 3.5" cases with variety of slugs,
locked on wad slugs and sabots. There are 3 of our long cases
in back for comparison. The RMC turned cases have shotgun
primer. Case # 4 has 437gr slug in BPI SABOT( finally hard sabots
in 12ga for reloading), #5 437gr Brenekke KO slug, #6 540gr
Hammerhead slug, #7 600gr Dixie hard slug, #8 RG's 715gr
jacketed, #9 750gr solid brass. Ed



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Re: 12GA From Hell [Re: hubel458]
      #118139 - 02/11/08 11:37 AM

Here is picture of a 12ga hard discarding sabot you can get
for reloading, the BPI. From Ballistic products. In picture
is sabot with a 437gr Hornady Great Plains 50cal slug I put
in it. Also the 410 gr and 385gr Great Plains work.
Finally able to load your own instead of paying 3-5 bucks
each for loaded rounds.You can use the 500 S&W bullets also
as well as shorter 50 cal blackpowder slugs... Ed



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Re: 12GA From Hell [Re: hubel458]
      #118140 - 02/11/08 01:15 PM

I'm surprised the .50's fit properly. The walls of the 'sabot' are very thick. I think I'd rather have a 12 bore slug fired from a 12 bore. Why cut power and turn it into a .50 Sharps shooting light bullets?

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Re: 12GA From Hell [Re: Daryl_S]
      #118223 - 03/11/08 04:06 PM

A lot of shotgun only hunters want fast light bullets, with less recoil.
And a little longer range. Still will have good ME.Sabot speeds below.
I like 600gr Dixie and but test everything so guys know about them.
Been testing the Encore with the Nef loads. Barrel breech is
one inch same as muzzle, where the NEF is 1.200".
It has dovetails cut out in bottom of the barrel for
the nuts for the forearm screws. ... At the bottom of dove tail
there is only .060" thickness. Before reaming had back one fill
welded as it was where the taper for the forcing cone ended up
with 3.5" chamber. I load it with 10 gr less powder than the NEF
on all different slugs and weights. Like the BPI sabot in 3.5"
plastic in NEF, 437 gr slug, 120gr 4227, 2400 fps, and in Encore
110gr 4227, 2270 fps. In 3.5" RMC brass case, same sabot/slug
in NEF 140gr 4227, 2600+ fps,Encore 130gr 4227, 2500.
The Encore is now 12 lbs, with hollow in butt and recesses in
forearm with lead shot.In pic you see NEF And Encore with RMC
brass cases started in chambers. Ed



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Re: 12GA From Hell [Re: hubel458]
      #118228 - 03/11/08 08:14 PM



I kinda like my Remington SP-10, especially with 3 1/2" slug loads Truly a big bore with lots of firepower. I have two and one is still new in the box. Any takers?

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Re: 12GA From Hell [Re: Der_Jaeger]
      #118260 - 04/11/08 04:31 AM

I think I very much prefer the NEF. TC has alwasy had difficulty with screw and ovetail depths - getting them too deep is a common TC problem- modern or muzzleloading guns allthe way back to 1970. Seems things haven't changed much with them. The warrantees are great - goos thing cause almost all their guns need warrantee work. I guess I seem to not like TC very much. Sorry - just my opinion, of course.

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Re: 12GA From Hell [Re: Daryl_S]
      #118553 - 08/11/08 02:28 PM

All the youngsters her just love the Encore 12ga.
I just filled up dovetail cuts and put nut for
forearm screws on the top of the filled area.Relieved
a little plastic in forearm, screwed it on, works good....
See what's possible, original Savage 210 action/stock
the one I have our long case in. You can lengthen
magazine in the plastic stock for up to 3.5" RMC brass
cases, also 3.5" plastic cases. And you can open up
bottom of the action to match, and the other things
I did on the port, bolt travel, etc to feed cases.
I did mine with heavy wood stock in singleshot.
Using original plastic stock you weight the hollow butt.
Trigger assembly on these is back to leave space for this.
In picture you see stock original and stock mag longer.
Second picture is a 3.5" brass case and slug overall
length 3.7", in longer magazine. Brett in MN, who did this
first used the regular follower and mag spring ok,
it feeds ok for him. .. Ed





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Re: 12GA From Hell [Re: hubel458]
      #118568 - 08/11/08 08:44 PM

Hi Ed , Thank you for all your cool posts ! how does the Browning A Bolt stack up againts the Savage 210 , for strenght & use ?

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Re: 12GA From Hell [Re: Sarg]
      #118697 - 11/11/08 04:40 PM

THe A-Bolt is almost as strong, handle all of our long
case loads. Wish they weren't so pricy. They look nice
and have nice style, like a big bore African gun.
Info to help loading BPI sabots in plastic,ok to use plastic
overwad over powder, but should use cardboard card and
nitro wads above that below the BPI sabot. Sabot doesn't
tear up and accuracy much better. Personally I use
cards over powder and nitro wads, And with used cases
roll crimping onto the thin edge of sabot is uneven, so with
my used cases I set the sabot and slug to right height and
just redo the 6 point star crimp real hard, and the middle of
all the crimp sectors set right on the flat nose of the slug
in the sabot. I also do the same with RG's 715gr hollowpoint
with the crimp sectors right on the hollowpoint in used cases.
Roll crimping holds RG's slug in ok but its taper of the ogive and
smoothness it doesn't open crimp all the way around when
fired. The star crimp set slug at same height so you can get
the same amount of powder. With RMC brass these are not
problems but with brass to get good feeding from mag rounding
front edge of mouth helps. Sectioned picture of RMC on right
next to our long original case to show how well it is built
thick and strong. One of cases has 20 firings, still good..Ed



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Re: 12GA From Hell [Re: hubel458]
      #118716 - 12/11/08 03:23 AM

I can't see the .5 brass cases failing, unless they are allowed to get too brittle at the case mouth.

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Re: 12GA From Hell [Re: Daryl_S]
      #118961 - 16/11/08 04:27 PM

What others are doing hopping up loads and experimenting.
Brett in MN uses a Mossy 835 12ga smoothbore turkey gun, but
it is backbored 10ga size all the way out to end and has 10ga size
choke, and he uses 12ga AQ 441gr slug with locked on basewad, from
BPI. Using top rib bead sight only he can hit a pail 5 times in a row at
70 yds.Amazing accuracy for overbored barrel. He uses BPI X12X seal
plastic wad, two 1/4" white felt wads, thin card then the AQ slug,
with 65gr of Longshot getting 2200 fps. 3.5" new cases with
roll crimp.......I asked him check it with a scope on it sometime.

NFG from Greybeard and Shotgunworld with pump Mossy and 18.5"
with slug barrel. He gets a 525gr Lyman over 1800 fps with
80gr of 4759/4227 powder. Hard alloy mix Lyman and shot one through
17" of pine. Shown in the pic below it mushroomed to .800" and only
lost 8gr weight. It is a wasp waisted slug that is shot from a 12ga
regular WW12 shotcup. The skirt of the slug collapsed into the underside
of the nose. Many guys say that these are as accurate as most
other stuff used. He used 3" plastic, PGS wad over powder and
WW12 wadcup with slug it. He cuts wadcup petals back to length
of the Lyman.In pic on left you see the Lymans with hollowbase up
and the shape of it when starting out.

Ok I am going to get Lymans to test and Longshot to test.
Got to see if the Longshot will get further up in velocity
than Blue Dot. Ed



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