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hubel458
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Re: 12GA From Hell [Re: hubel458]
      #105835 - 22/05/08 10:50 AM

Here is picture of the bolt setup for the 8ga
Enfield we did.Also comparison to a Mauser
12ga shotgun bolt conversion, from which
I got the concept. Ed



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Re: 12GA From Hell [Re: hubel458]
      #106406 - 31/05/08 02:46 PM

I was asked how I got 8ga heavy barrel so quick.
First it is smoothbore, second a 110 bucks total shipping and all.
First I bought a 1.5 inch dia 4130 alloy, heat treated, shaft,
32" long. Then I had a deep hole drilling company drill
a .832" hole in it. Came out centered on both ends.
Then after it got here I used cylinder hone to polish
the inside of the bore. Threaded it, chambered it, and put
in the Enfield bolt action. The heat treating it had was just like
the barrel stock that barrel guys get. Ed.

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Re: 12GA From Hell [Re: hubel458]
      #107264 - 12/06/08 02:50 PM

For those wanting to see video of the 12GA FH in
the Savage busting big pail of water, one of the
kids posted it on Youtube- Titled "Grampa's Cannon".
I just found out that it is on there.
This was the video that the still pictures posted
before, was taken from. They have the sound
muted so as not to hurt camera sound system. Ed

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Re: 12GA From Hell [Re: hubel458]
      #107600 - 17/06/08 05:16 PM

Load of 12 triple ought buckshot in 8ga. They are
70gr each, total 840 gr, and over 2000 fps with
125 gr of 4759. Ed
Here is URL for the waterpail busting video above--
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUNHszY4ACM

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Re: 12GA From Hell [Re: hubel458]
      #108052 - 25/06/08 12:24 AM

There are now two videos of 12GA FH on YouTube,
exploding big heavy walled pails of water.
The "Grampa's Cannon" one with a long view,
and "Grandpa's First Shot" a closeup video,
the first one, that shows how the top of heavy
shelf got bent. Later kids will do videos showing
muzzle blast and recoil.
Also the 3 ought buckshot from the 8ga load
above goes through 2" hardwood ok. I will test
8ga on waterpail also, to see what happens. Ed

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Re: 12GA From Hell [Re: hubel458]
      #108059 - 25/06/08 01:36 AM

ed you have entirely too much fun, and now the grandkids get the bug as well. good shooting

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Re: 12GA From Hell [Re: peter]
      #108517 - 30/06/08 01:58 AM

I've got extra 28ga alloy rifled barrel now.
So along with first one in Enfield I will be doing one
in Mossberg 695 bolt action. Will add a little weight
to the stock and one of kids will see how it does on
deer this fall.Ed

Oh here is URL of the Grandpa's First Shot Video--
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c48zTpsgbuk

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Re: 12GA From Hell [Re: hubel458]
      #108921 - 04/07/08 12:50 PM

Here is pic of Mossberg 695 that will be the
second 28GA From Hell.You can see long
brass case in the port. Ed



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Re: 12GA From Hell [Re: hubel458]
      #109670 - 13/07/08 01:48 PM

Somebody suggested this picture to show the
difference between shotgun powder, factory loads
and our loads in plastic and brass as it relates to
increased powder capacity. Factory 3rd case with
small amount of powder(more wads), 2nd case plastic with
larger amount(less wads), 1st, brass case all powder.
This allows us more volume of slower powder.
Also the Videos, 'Grandpa's Cannon', 'Grandpa's First
Shot', are heading up to 3000 views on Youtube.
Any of you who could pass info about the videos out
over the net, I'd appreciate it. Ed



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Re: 12GA From Hell [Re: hubel458]
      #111265 - 07/08/08 02:03 PM

Here is closeup pic of Rob's 12GA FH, a Borchardt falling block
action. Real nice. In picture is along brass 12ga case with one
of Rob's 2000gr bore rider, solid, streamlined slugs. Ed






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Re: 12GA From Hell [Re: hubel458]
      #111800 - 14/08/08 10:27 AM

Got my long 700 HE case chambered barrel
finally in a bmg size action. It is barrel
I locked onto an I-beam and got testing and
load developement done over the last couple
years. Max load about 23,000 ft lbs.
It weighs 27 lbs, laminated thumbhole stock,
a max size pad, weighted butt, a reinforced
wrist, recoil barrel ring on front of stock.Ed




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Re: 12GA From Hell [Re: hubel458]
      #111806 - 14/08/08 11:19 AM

Gotta hand it to you, you're very serious about this stuff.

I used to like to get kicked around by big guns, but since coming down with torn cartelage in my right shoulder, front and back, I've lost some of the "belt me if you can" attitude. Dr's who know shooting, think it's the kicking from certain postions that has exacerbated damage caused by pulling my own shoulder back into joint a number of times. Got to the point all I had to do was to reach back over my shoudler and it would pop out - not good. Which came first, chicken or the egg? I say all of this only as a warning to those too tough to wear protection when shooting kickers.

Right now, my little guns are all I can shoot, up to the little medium, the 9.3x57 - and that wearing a magnum recoil protector and only for 10 shots. Really crimping my shooting, but pain is a limiter for sure.

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Re: 12GA From Hell [Re: Daryl_S]
      #111958 - 16/08/08 02:29 PM

I don't shoot a large number of rounds from the
shoulder. And all my chrono and first testing is with
guns lock to a 300 lb weight on a heavy standup bench.
The thumbhole stock is a great recoil tamer. Ed

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Re: 12GA From Hell [Re: hubel458]
      #112385 - 24/08/08 01:26 PM

Here is picture of a neat scaled up Sharps replica
that would handle out 12GA FH and my 700HE.
That outside hammer looks great. From a magazine
article in Very High Power...Ed



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Re: 12GA From Hell [Re: hubel458]
      #112911 - 29/08/08 01:47 PM

Here is a pic of a projectile idea Rob had. We will test it later
this fall, It is 12ga bore rider design Body is Aluminum, and it
will have a heavy 50 cal insert in the nose made from tungsten
or similiar metals. In the picture he put a 50 cal bullet in for
show. The insert in the nose will be flush with front of the
AL carrier. It should be stable at slow twists and if built
with back and front same diameter stable in smoothbores.
The long lighter tail-end compared to heavy nose insert
will make it stable. Same principle Brenekke uses. This idea
is being explored to try to get superior penetration
from 12ga, with heavy, hard insert in the nose.Ed



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Re: 12GA From Hell [Re: hubel458]
      #113543 - 04/09/08 02:11 PM

Here is another view of my 700HE blaster,
that I got rigged up on an action and stock.
Side view shows action with a aperture sight I
rigged up. Also cases. On left is 700H 3.25" case.
Center my 700HE, what the gun in picture has now.
Good for nearly 23,000 ft lbs, we attained in
a work up in testing with the barrel as a test
barrel with screw on testing receiver....Ed



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Re: 12GA From Hell [Re: hubel458]
      #113564 - 04/09/08 06:31 PM

I do take it you mean 2,300 fps Ed not 23,000

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Re: 12GA From Hell [Re: Bramble]
      #113570 - 04/09/08 07:06 PM

I think he means it ! from reading Eds posts it,s 23000 FPE , Eds guns have LOTS of energy !!

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Re: 12GA From Hell [Re: Sarg]
      #113609 - 05/09/08 01:47 AM

I stand chastened and corrected. I wrongly assumed that it was a typo for 2300 fps

Dear god in heaven, that is a shoulder fired artillery piece.


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Re: 12GA From Hell [Re: Bramble]
      #113677 - 05/09/08 02:10 PM

That is from a 1000gr bullet over 3200 FPS. That is a
show off load. Hunting load about 2300-2600.
Any of you over there interested in my shorter 3.25" 700H case, which
will work in MRC PH action coming out(I have it in a reworked
Enfield and a Savage 210), contact Karl. He is working
to get a few cases imported from me over there, and I also have
a chamber reamer that you all can use. The short case is perfect
for actions sized between Ruger/CZ and BMG actions.ED

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Edited by hubel458 (05/09/08 02:14 PM)


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Re: 12GA From Hell [Re: hubel458]
      #114252 - 12/09/08 12:01 PM

Here is picture of a dart type 12ga slug Rob made. Body
is aluminum, it has a heavy tungsten carbide insert in the
nose. The TC in the nose is about 5 times denser than AL.
Total length is 2.35 inches, weight about 950 gr. The .75" long
insert a real tight type fit. Heat AL, put in insert, cools, locks on.
It is fairly streamlined, yet has wide meplat for penetration
in game. Flat points penetrate straighter in game.
It is hollow inside in the back, behind insert which puts the
center of gravity way up front, it should fly straight even from
a smoothbore. They are fast to make and material
less expense than copper.In pic is a copper and a brass 600
cal slugs for comparison. Dart/slug on right has insert.Ed



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Re: 12GA From Hell [Re: hubel458]
      #114253 - 12/09/08 12:20 PM

Do you think the rear of the dart projectile will blow out the way a minnie ball does?
Could the hollow enable you to load more powder in a shorter case since powder could also be housed in the base of the bullet itself? May be a challenge to load though...

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Re: 12GA From Hell [Re: Huvius]
      #114295 - 13/09/08 02:17 AM

Cool bullets, Ed. Are the .600's for a tight 20 bore or for sabots in the 12?

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Re: 12GA From Hell [Re: Daryl_S]
      #114353 - 14/09/08 05:45 AM

Huvius- The back is solid. Rob drilled hole in the front to within
1/4" of base. Hole was 7/16" then he drilled 1/2} hole in
3/4" and put in insert, against step. Idea of aluminum and hollow
inside is to get front heavy projectile stable at slow twists or
in smooth barrels.

Daryl- Those are brass bullets for .620 cal rifles, 600NE,
and Rob'd 600OK. They work in a 20ga with .620 rifled barrel. Ed

Edited by hubel458 (14/09/08 05:48 AM)


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Re: 12GA From Hell [Re: hubel458]
      #114373 - 14/09/08 10:49 AM

TKS for the response. Those 20's look awsome. The longer, aluminum jacketed ones in 12 bore - incredible.

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