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450_Ackley
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Re: 12GA From Hell [Re: hubel458]
#82036 - 08/07/07 02:18 PM

Ed,
You mentioned a while ago that you were looking for a long 12 ga rifled barrel, I just imported one from Pac-Nor, I think you would probably know about them, they should be able to make them 30" + for you.
I hope they weren't the barrel guys that returned your money!

Regards,
David.

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hubel458
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Re: 12GA From Hell [Re: 450_Ackley]
#82074 - 09/07/07 04:08 AM

I'm dealing with PacNor now. It was Bauska that
closed up. They had better prices but the man is
almost 90 years, times to retire.Ed

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hubel458
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Re: 12GA From Hell [Re: hubel458]
#82461 - 15/07/07 04:49 AM

Finally able to make the
longer barrel improvement on
the 1887 12ga levergun.......
Rifled and heavy and 31"
long. After many months finally got
a barrel.Ed

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hubel458
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Re: 12GA From Hell [Re: hubel458]
#82887 - 23/07/07 03:51 AM

With NEF. Plastic cases, roll crimped slug
in drillpress. 82gr IMR 4227 1650 fps,
with 730gr, 78 gr 4227 with 800gr, 1600.
Expansion on cases show little more pressure
as full loads of 4759 and 600gr.
Ignition perfect with small primers.
Ejects cases fine. Burns clean.
Got a GEHA bolt 12ga to put a heavier
rifled barrel on to test. Ed

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hubel458
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Re: 12GA From Hell [Re: hubel458]
#83257 - 30/07/07 08:01 AM

Tested 870 gr in NEF with our long
brass case with big primer.I have NEF
with extra hammer spring for big primer.
Got 2000 fps and still able to extract case.
Would do little more, extractor needs
to be wider and set up positive.
Used 260gr of WC-860 and MagPro.
Could use RL-22, Rl-25, Retumbo, etc.
That's 7700 ft lbs.. I get 600 gr slug to
2300 plus in NEF, long case. so you can go
light or heavy.Ed

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hubel458
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Re: 12GA From Hell [Re: hubel458]
#83567 - 05/08/07 01:48 PM

More testing with 4227. Greg got little over 1500 fps in
3" plastic with 870 gr slug using 74-75 gr of 4227.
I did the same. This compares to much lighter
REM Buckhammer slug with more speed. Almost all
the way through 5 ft bundle hardwood boards.
I have Mossy 695 as well as GEHA 12 gauge
to put heavy rifled barrels on. And my 87.
Will be checking Mossy 395
for a guy who wants to put on
a heavy barrel. Ed

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hubel458
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Re: 12GA From Hell [Re: hubel458]
#84125 - 17/08/07 01:42 AM

Here is pic of 695 bolt action
Mossberg with dinky barrel and the heavy long
rifled barrel for it. It has a recoil plate
like Rem/Sav, and two rear bolt lugs..Ed

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hubel458
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Re: 12GA From Hell [Re: hubel458]
#84970 - 31/08/07 12:50 AM

I tested in NEF 3" cases, Alliant 2400 with
small primers, Fired ok at 75 deg but when
case cooled there was majority of misfires
and squib loads. Don't reccomend it.
Here is picture of Mauser 12ga bolt action
GEHA with a heavy barrel like one I will put
on it Make a good slug gun.Ed

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hubel458
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Re: 12GA From Hell [Re: hubel458]
#85285 - 08/09/07 11:40 AM

The 12GA From Hell is now on
Ammoguide, the last page of
cartridge list.Ed

http://ammoguide.com/?catid=611

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hubel458
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Re: 12GA From Hell [Re: hubel458]
#85847 - 18/09/07 11:54 AM

Saw info on a break action that
would handle 12ga FH.It is Cole,
with a strong top lock and real wide
strong extractor.Ed

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hubel458
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Re: 12GA From Hell [Re: hubel458]
#86262 - 27/09/07 04:04 PM

Tested 3.5" plastic cases in NEF, small
primers. My chamber is long for our
long brass case, so they work fine.....
600 gr slug, 105 gr of IMR 4227,
got 2100. Same slug, 180 gr, 7383 surplus,
got 2100 fps. That's 5800 ft lbs from 12ga
plastic shotgun cases.Ed

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hubel458
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Re: 12GA From Hell [Re: hubel458]
#86725 - 07/10/07 11:31 AM

Along with testing loads in 3.5" plastic, later tested same loads
in 3" RMC brass cases; and with 600gr slug, same wt 4227 and
7383 surplus powders got same 2100 fps.I got a MEC Super Sizer
coming to size base of plastic and RMC cases. Both are hard to
resize with regular die, but this will save time and allow many
more firings of the cases.Just got 3.5" plastic for dime each,
and this sizer will allow as many firings as the RMC brass.Ed

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Marrakai
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Re: 12GA From Hell [Re: hubel458]
#86787 - 08/10/07 01:42 PM

You had that shoulder reconstruction yet, Ed?

Hope you guys are having half as much fun making and shooting these things, as we are reading about it!

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hubel458
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Re: 12GA From Hell [Re: Marrakai]
#87070 - 13/10/07 03:30 PM

A bullet fella contacted me and he will make
750gr jacketed 12ga slugs for buck and a half.
He uses Corbin equipment, and that is a very
great price as others have quoted almost
50% more. Minimum order 500 bullets.He
has to get couple pieces of punch and die
tooling to make them .729" to fit most rifled
barrels, and he will get tooling if we pay
half, which is 300 bucks. I want to find
10 guys to put in 30 each plus order 50 or
a hundred and we have him get tooling ordered.
Contact me so I can see how many want to get
in on the deal.Then after I tally everyone
I will get back to you for the funds for dies
for you to send the them to him..Here is pic
of a sizer we got that does plastic
cases back to factory specs in few seconds
and allows 3 times more reloads. It will
also do the RMC cases I have. No more cases
sticking in dies, or spending 5 min
to get them sized only half assed.ED.

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hubel458
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Re: 12GA From Hell [Re: hubel458]
#87489 - 21/10/07 04:35 AM

Here is the Enfield I reamed out to feed 12 gauge and BMG
size cases. I added two rear bolt locking lugs, one the huge bolt
handle and another added that locks in rear bridge. The front lugs
still contact on their top 40 %. This is concept from earlier shown
Mauser shotgun conversions, where they were made from 98
Mausers, giving a bolt action 12ga.This one is chambered for
my belted 700H 3.25" case, as a load developement test gun.
Loads up to 825 gr at 2500. Ed

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hubel458
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Re: 12GA From Hell [Re: hubel458]
#87838 - 26/10/07 12:57 PM

The three From Hell cartridges----
My 28GA FH, 2nd Our 12GA FH, can
you guess the 3rd?. What do readers think. Ed

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Marrakai
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Re: 12GA From Hell [Re: hubel458]
#87844 - 26/10/07 06:26 PM

Quote:

can you guess the 3rd?.

The 40mm Bofors Short? (...from hell?)

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hubel458
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Re: 12GA From Hell [Re: Marrakai]
#87886 - 27/10/07 01:57 PM

Not that big friend--A great name though-
It is the 8GA From Hell, a real cartridge. 4.3 inch long
brass case. 8 ga shorter plastic case, plan on in same chamber.
The brass kiln gun case isn't as long as mine. Where do
you find the rare 8 ga brass kiln gun cases.
Looking now for guns or actions and barrels. I make it
from 20mm Suzy brass(20mm Hispano Suiza), by putting
on a 8ga size rim and reshaping like we did 12GA FH....Ed

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hubel458
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Re: 12GA From Hell [Re: hubel458]
#88256 - 05/11/07 04:23 PM

8ga, we gonna do a couple, first one a test
gun in an Enfield with rear locking lugs.
All locking is in the rear, it is not exactly like
my 700HE one, all lug seats gone in the
front like a Mauser shotgun.
May have a way to get barrels 'fast'---
fast being like 2 weeks, from the time I
have money to do it. And only about
150 bucks each.......Am working on it.
In pic you see long case sticking out of
the action, a couple 8ga plastic cases, a
couple of the 8ga kiln slugs, 3 oz and
hardened. Am looking for a slug built like the
Federal 10 ga one that has rounded nose and
hollow base, that will fit bores tight.
The barrels I am working deal on will be smoothbore.Ed

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hubel458
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Re: 12GA From Hell [Re: hubel458]
#88660 - 10/11/07 04:03 PM

Howabout this Long Tom slug gun.....Ed

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hubel458
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Re: 12GA From Hell [Re: hubel458]
#89260 - 19/11/07 05:51 AM

Got an 8ga barrel blank being made now,
will be here end of the week.Found this
info on plastic 8ga kiln gun loads, they
load a frangible 710gr slug at 2300-
for 8300ft lbs, load 1275gr hard slug to
1700, 8100 ft lbs. We will outdo those easy
with our non-shotgun powder loads, in
a heavy barrel.Ed

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Shackleton
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Re: 12GA From Hell [Re: hubel458]
#89572 - 23/11/07 02:57 PM

I've noticed none of these have sights or optics(at least in the pics)-is that still a pending development or just simply not necessary for the type of shooting you're doing? That Enfield action with the thumbhole stock is quite the setup.

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hubel458
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Re: 12GA From Hell [Re: Shackleton]
#89638 - 24/11/07 12:06 PM

Most get shot a lot in the rest for chrono
and load development work. Then if any
lathe work, chamber work, etc, has to be done,
no sights in the way..Then I put on sights
on. My 458HE in the Ruger77 has a scope, the 458HE
in Enfield has aperture sight. these two my first
wildcats from the 90s. Them my 12GA FH in
Savage has aperture, the 12ga FH in Nef is aperture.
My 585HE in Enfied is aperture, The Enfield with
700 nothing yet, the Enfield that I tested 550 mag in,
no sights, and is getting rechambered to a 28GA FH( same bore
as 550), The 1887 not yet. 4 other actions not yet
barreled. You see why I have no time to chase wimmen......
as I do my own work.....Ed

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Shackleton
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Re: 12GA From Hell [Re: hubel458]
#89651 - 24/11/07 03:15 PM

OK, that explains it-I'd love to have the tools to do all the work myself(still toying with the idea of gettig a NEF and doing the work-have to convince the wife I need an "elephant gun"). Us shooters understand the need, but someone who only shoots rimfires doesn't see why I'd want a bigger gun than what I have.

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hubel458
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Re: 12GA From Hell [Re: Shackleton]
#90280 - 01/12/07 02:43 PM

Tested 35" smooth barrel in 1887. Got couple
1 oz foster slugs over 2400, with 110gr
of 4227. 3" plastic case, regular primers.
This is a heavy barrel for that type of load,
don't do this in your 12ga skinny barrels.
The 28GA FH cases on the way.Chambering
bolt gun for it now..Ed

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