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hubel458
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Re: 12GA From Hell [Re: hubel458]
      #50908 - 26/02/06 01:27 PM

Have a fella going to use gun like my 12GA FH
to build 700NE..here is picture showing 700NE in the
loading port.Ed



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Re: 12GA From Hell [Re: hubel458]
      #50909 - 26/02/06 01:41 PM

That's a pretty slick way to modify the 50 BMG to be a rimmed cartridge!
That thing looks pretty awesome.

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Re: 12GA From Hell [Re: AkMike]
      #51436 - 04/03/06 02:27 PM

Karl suggested a double, one barrel smooth other rifled.
Here is pic of a heavy spanish made one that may
do the job. We are checking specs now.Ed




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Re: 12GA From Hell [Re: hubel458]
      #51476 - 05/03/06 01:53 AM


Ed, your making me nervous.. Good picture!!!!!

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Re: 12GA From Hell [Re: msorenso]
      #52269 - 13/03/06 12:31 PM

One fella who got some of our extra cases is
going to use an AR-50 bolt action singleshot
for our cartridge.neat idea.Ed.

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Re: 12GA From Hell [Re: hubel458]
      #52766 - 19/03/06 11:53 AM

Did more checking on Encore. They will work with
a real heavy barrel and a weighted thumbhole
buttstock.And long barrel to get weight and get the blast away from shooter. If I did one I'd make it 20
pounds at least. they will handle moderate pressure
with heavy barrel, muzzle same size as breech, so
that it will hold rifle type loadings.Ed.

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Re: 12GA From Hell [Re: hubel458]
      #53555 - 29/03/06 11:43 AM

Here is comparison picture of some cartridges--
1st 700NE - 2nd our 12GA FH -- 3rd 700HE...Ed



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Re: 12GA From Hell [Re: hubel458]
      #53715 - 31/03/06 08:21 AM

You are a very sick man.

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Re: 12GA From Hell [Re: bulldog563]
      #53977 - 03/04/06 02:18 PM

Had a question about costs per shot--
For me 5 buck per lb surplus powder, hard slug 70 cents,
primer 24 cents, adds up to $1.15 per shot.20 buck, canister
powder makes it $1.75. Not bad considering the
power we are getting.Ed


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Re: 12GA From Hell [Re: hubel458]
      #55354 - 21/04/06 02:57 AM

Tested a 870gr hardened slug Greg Sappington makes.
Got it to 2300 fps. Lightened it to 730 gr got it over
2500 with no leading.Greg likes that.
Here is picture of 3 with one loaded
in case. I loaded long to get powder space, but you
wouldn't have to.Ed



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Re: 12GA From Hell [Re: hubel458]
      #56037 - 29/04/06 10:25 AM

Fellow from Greece,Lefteris, developed this brass 12ga
slug for both rifled and smoothbores.Uses sabot asit is .629, and 12ga is .729.He will get me a few to speed
test.Ed



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Re: 12GA From Hell [Re: hubel458]
      #57006 - 12/05/06 03:28 PM

I have figured out that all bullets for 500 S&W
will fit in the sabot Barnes uses in the
3/4 oz sabot load that Federal sells.Lighter
505 bullets will work also. And the front section of a 50 bmg bore rider bullet, it
is 2nd in picture in the sabot. It
is 470 grains, really streamlined.And
you can buy them by the ton, just cut back
portion that is .510 diameter off, and that leaves front part for a .500 dia bullet,
1.5 inches long..Good for armor plated chucks.First in picture is original
sabot with Barnes 3/4 oz hollowpoint slug.3rd is the 900gr 600NE slug in my sabot made from heavy shotcup. 4th on the miniature digital scale is an older Barnes .580 cal
saboted slug expanded, it's 435gr.Ed.





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Re: 12GA From Hell [Re: hubel458]
      #57902 - 28/05/06 12:29 PM

Shot a 610 grain hollowpoint Dixie hard
slug into 6 gallon sealed pail of water.
Going 2800 fps, and real big hollowpoint.
First pic is pail with crimped on top.
Pail full and has filler spout capped.
Second pic,impact with water atomising,
and pail blowing apart.In the next small
fraction of a second is third after impact
with shelf cleared, the hyrostatic pressure
down, has bent top of steel frame shelf.
Same blast put jug pieces all over.
Got to get a 15 gallon one. Behind
you see my wood bundle backstop...Ed







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Edited by hubel458 (28/05/06 04:17 PM)


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Re: 12GA From Hell [Re: hubel458]
      #57974 - 30/05/06 03:43 AM

In reply to:


Poster: hubel458
Subject: Re: 12GA From Hell

Karl suggested a double, one barrel smooth other rifled.
Here is pic of a heavy spanish made one that may
do the job. We are checking specs now.Ed







Ed

I am interested in what you discovered about this shotgun. I checked the website and they do not list any specs that the shotgun can be had with a rifled barrel.

Is it your intention to have them make a special order, or modified somewhere else?

Thanks.


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Re: 12GA From Hell [Re: NitroX]
      #57983 - 30/05/06 06:40 AM

That gun only comes smoothbore and its barrels are too
thin at muzzle for our loads.We are checking on
others.Ed

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Re: 12GA From Hell [Re: hubel458]
      #59294 - 26/06/06 11:54 AM

I picked up a 12ga NEF Ultra Slug gun.24 in shorty barrel.
Added weight and thumbhole stock.
Gun weighted to 15 lbs so
far. I got 600gr hard slug to
1650-1700 so far, and shoots easy.
Got 1 1/2 inch thick pad.Working up different
loads.Should get over 2000.
Cases eject easy,no resizing needed
on bottom half of case,action opens easy,
no evidence of binding.Started case 3.2 inch,
settled on case length of 3.15-- Chamber being
full size max 12ga size expands top half of case
more than my minimum chamber in Savage does,
so little more effort needed to size.Our case, though many times stronger than regular
12ga cases is thinner at mouth, so that is
why I used tight chamber on Savage.Still
can't get used to mickey mouse short barrel.
Anyone know of a genius who could
make long alloy barrel with pivot mounted?
Cases can be 3 inches on up to
our length, and work.Ed




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Re: 12GA From Hell [Re: hubel458]
      #59502 - 01/07/06 03:54 PM

We got 600 gr slug to 2000 fps in NEF.Used ball
powder load. Case length of maximum 3.07 works.
Anyone using our style case should also put in adapter
for shotgun primer. Save a lot of work
beefing up hammer speed and strength.Ed

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Re: 12GA From Hell [Re: hubel458]
      #59789 - 10/07/06 03:10 PM

The Savage is perking along.Got a 600gr hard
slug out at 3000fps, using a little faster ball
powder. I think 14,000 ft lbs is possible.Ed.

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Re: 12GA From Hell [Re: hubel458]
      #59928 - 14/07/06 01:19 AM

Being some guns(NEF) need to much work
to fire bmg primers, it easier to
do the following with adapter bushings.
Here is picture of cases for primer
comparisons.1st is regular bmg
primer. 2nd is adapted to a shotgun primer.
3rd is adapted to large rifle primer.
Of the 2 adaptations, large rifle is
easier to do, just ream out pocket, thread in adapter, but adapting shotgun primer
you have to deepen the original primer
pocket a little, then thread and screw in
a bushing.These two primers give about
100 fps less than bmg primer.Ed.




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Re: 12GA From Hell [Re: hubel458]
      #60238 - 23/07/06 10:42 AM

Testing RL-25 in Savage, with long case--Got 730 gr
hardened cast slug to 2400 plus with 300 gr RL-25.
Full load. Bottom of cases don't need sizing.

Got a 600 gr out at 3250, 14,000 ft lbs.Bottom
of cases need slight resizing. pushing
40,000 psi. Ball powder load.Savage extracted
cases on that load easy.Ed

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Re: 12GA From Hell [Re: hubel458]
      #60256 - 23/07/06 10:26 PM

Jeez, who is holding the rifle when it goes off? Must be a handful.

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Re: 12GA From Hell [Re: CptCurl]
      #60644 - 01/08/06 08:36 AM

Shot NEF with the RL-25 load, 600 gr.Got 3
shots in 4 inches at 50 yds, with aperture sights and my bad eyes.Got barrel extension
made and will get it on in next couple weeks.
NEF and Original Sav barrel have same twist and grooves, so I am putting heavy part of
left over barrel to good use.I hate shorty barrels.Ed


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Re: 12GA From Hell [Re: hubel458]
      #61640 - 25/08/06 02:28 AM

We are getting a big replica 1887 12ga levergun to
test cases with. It's modern forged heat treated
action, and will go high pressures.Ed

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Re: 12GA From Hell [Re: hubel458]
      #62007 - 02/09/06 10:13 AM

I'm building a 450 NE on that Zabala action at the moment. But that just looks pussy in comparison. I am in awe!

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Re: 12GA From Hell [Re: Bramble]
      #62070 - 04/09/06 10:39 AM

Zabala E213 Magnum is nice gun. Who sells them in US?
We got 1887 12ga levergun here. It 2 & 3/4 inch
chamber. We will test with our case shortened and
Rocky Mtn cases.Here is pic. Ed



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