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400NitroExpress
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Re: Searcy double [Re: Peterb]
#44244 - 17/12/05 02:02 PM

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Re: Searcy double [Re: 500Nitro]
#44246 - 17/12/05 02:13 PM

500Nitro, it is true that "Rigby" uses the 20 Ga Merkel shotgun action for their DRs, but they use real American Pac-Nor barrels and real Kaleefornian walnut.

Edited by Peterb (18/12/05 11:51 AM)

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Re: Searcy double [Re: Peterb]
#44249 - 17/12/05 02:32 PM

There is the 'Norseman' from Havre Mt. that use Berretta actions.

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Re: Searcy double [Re: Peterb]
#44251 - 17/12/05 03:04 PM

In reply to:

The French copy no one and no one copies the French.

I suppose:

(1) Wingshooting: 17th Century, Charles II when in exile in France picked it up and brought it back to England.

(2) The break/breech loading action (Pauly in 1811, though he was Swiss he was in Napoleon's army

, then Lefaucheux, 1828-35)

(3) The central percussion cartridge (1829, Roux, Picheron, Robert, Pottet)

(4) The rimfire cartridge (1845, Flobert)

(5) the Minie bullet (Claude Minie, 1847), and many others don't count...

Good thing no one copied the French and we still run arround with muzzle loading caplocks

Actually I'd take my Chapuis (or a Demas) over a Searcy any day. Though 400 is right, I'd love it better if they got rid of that damn beavertail...

No worries Peter all in good fun.

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Edited by Chasseur (17/12/05 03:07 PM)

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Re: Searcy double [Re: Chasseur]
#44253 - 17/12/05 03:07 PM

Chas, I agree with you completely. The French haven't had a good gun idea since 1847.

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Re: Searcy double [Re: Peterb]
#44254 - 17/12/05 03:09 PM

In reply to:

Chas, I agree with you completely. The French haven't had a good gun idea since 1847.

Not bad old bean!

However, my original point is very valid there was significant copying from the French by your admission before 1847 or else where did all this wonderful technology for those American clubs, er uh, shotguns and rifles come from?

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Edited by Chasseur (17/12/05 03:13 PM)

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Re: Searcy double [Re: Chasseur]
#44257 - 17/12/05 03:31 PM

500, Mexican Rigby is right. Those things aren't nearly worth the price they are currently being sold (or not sold) for. It really is a shame.

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Re: Searcy double [Re: Peterb]
#44259 - 17/12/05 03:33 PM

Peterb

I took my Merkel 470 and measured it against a scaled photo
of a "Rigby".

EVERY measurement was the same - pins etc so I find it unlikely
that someone made 2 actions the same in different locations.

I don't mind the Merkel DR's, after all, I have 2 of them however
I just don't like them being passed off as Rigby's.

Re "American Pac-Nor barrels and real Kaeeforian walnut"
I don't know and don't really care - I have 2 original Rigby's so
would never buy one anyway.

All in good fun !!!

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Re: Searcy double [Re: Chasseur]
#44260 - 17/12/05 03:37 PM

Chas, you presume that those French ideas occured in a vacuum. In reality, many countries and companies were having similar ideas at the same time. What is obvious is that there have been very little French advancements in any area in well over a century. Little Belgium has been a gun giant in comparison. Since France became socialized, it has gotten even worse.

Chapuis is really on the lower end of DR quality. Personally, I wouldn't own one, but to each his own.

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Re: Searcy double [Re: Peterb]
#44270 - 17/12/05 04:20 PM

I have shot some Chapuis that shot well. But what of the story that Chapuis receivers are made from relatively soft steel and go off face easily? Does anyone know if that is true or hokum?

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Re: Searcy double [Re: 400NitroExpress]
#44282 - 18/12/05 12:50 AM

400NE,

My confession,

I've got a few bolt guns!

(But that doesn't mean I'm a bad person.)

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Chasseur
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Re: Searcy double [Re: CptCurl]
#44283 - 18/12/05 12:58 AM

No worries Curly,

Here is my confession, not only do I own some bolt guns, but I also have one of those cheesy Remington 22 auto loaders with a plastic stock, and $40 Simmons scope... ahhhhh

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Re: Searcy double [Re: Chasseur]
#44284 - 18/12/05 01:28 AM

Chasseur,

Damn, the next thing you'll say is that you are a pedophile!

Curl

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Re: Searcy double [Re: CptCurl]
#44288 - 18/12/05 03:18 AM

Curl:

Yeah, I have a few myself, I just try not to be seen with 'em.

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Re: Searcy double [Re: 400NitroExpress]
#44294 - 18/12/05 04:58 AM

Geez, what's going on here? Is this some sort of encounter group? Is Doctor Phil in the house?

I don't want to read about your predilections toward Liberalisms and your efforts to mingle with the Hoi Polloi.

If you have a bolt action put it in the Bolt action section. An Autoloader?

Some things are best left in the closet.

Buck up men, hold your head up and Tally Ho. Stiff upper lip and Bully for Class Distinction.

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Re: Searcy double [Re: mickey]
#44301 - 18/12/05 06:45 AM

Mick,

Confession is good for the soul. But I agree we have had enough of it, and it is time to "soldier on."

To the double rifles, men! Leave the bolts and semis for the unwashed masses.

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Re: Searcy double [Re: mickey]
#44308 - 18/12/05 08:06 AM

Mickey

Very good indeed.

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Re: Searcy double [Re: CptCurl]
#44331 - 18/12/05 11:50 AM

How does the bolt action double barrel rate?

PS: It is NOT French.

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Re: Searcy double [Re: Peterb]
#44341 - 18/12/05 02:08 PM

It depends.

If the idea originated or the gun was built in America
it would be great !!!

Made anywhere else and it's a monstrosity !!!

On a serious note, I wouldn't own one.

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Re: Searcy double [Re: 500Nitro]
#44344 - 18/12/05 03:14 PM

Hear, hear.

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500grains
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Re: Searcy double [Re: Peterb]
#44356 - 19/12/05 12:30 AM

Peterb, suppposedly the bolt action double blew up and blew some professional hunter's finger off a few years ago. I have handled one of the rifles and it is an excellent piece of craftsmanship. But it is a push feed.

Then again, so are all SxS double rifles.

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Re: Searcy double [Re: 500grains]
#44367 - 19/12/05 06:58 AM

German design but musta been made in France.

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Re: Searcy double [Re: 500grains]
#44410 - 20/12/05 03:27 AM

Well,

I have a Merkel in that "horrible" high pressure .375 and a chapuis 470 with it's "soft" heat treated receiver, so if either will come off face I'll be first to know!

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For Peterb [Re: Peterb]
#44559 - 22/12/05 01:03 AM

Peter,

You comment that "the Chapuis is on the lower end of DR quality", do you mind elaborating?

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Re: For Peterb [Re: bonanza]
#44579 - 22/12/05 04:47 AM

There are about 3 echelons of DRs. There are the smaller calibers like 45-70 in guns like Pedersoli which are available in lower prices. Then there are the very high end guns like Purdey & H&H quality which are often over $100,000. Then there are the medium quality guns like Searcy, Merkel, Heym, Rigby, Blaser, Chapuis, etc. Of this medium quality, I disliked the Blaser due to the funky and potentially dangerous double cocking system. Otherwise it felt good although the bullet holder is kinda funky, too. As far as general quality goes, the Chapuis looked and felt more like it belonged with the lower echelon guns. I haven't seen a new Rigby close up so cannot comment on that one. However, as it uses a Merkel action, I don't see why it is double the price of a Merkel.

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