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Grizzly
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Have to Have It
      #43435 - 08/12/05 11:35 AM

What a great site. Without a doubt the most collegial firearms forum I have seen.

I have been reading the posts on this forum for a few weeks now, and just registered last week.

Since I now feel secure in the audience, I must come out of the double closet. I a retired US Army officer, and have alwsys been a high power junkie. While I have been shooting since I was 5 and hunting since I was 8, the Army validated my deep down high power tendencies.

I shoot .50 BMG, one semi and one very fine AI bolt. I hunt with either of two 416 Rigbys (Mauser 98 or Dakota African takedown with extra barrel in 338 lapua), hunt hogs with either a Marlin Guide 45-70 or a Benelli rifled slugger, Eastern deer with the Guide gun, Texas deer with a 300 Win Mag, Elk with a Sako 375 H&H or 338 Lapua bown bear with the Rigby or 416 Weatherby Mag Pro Hunter, blackies with, well you get the drift.

Despite my attempts to stand at rest, I have have had a constant and ever growing yearning for an express double.

To me, at almost 50 years of age, it is very similiar to the experience I went through between the ages of 13 and 14, when thoughts about the opposite sex were reversed.

I imagined holding things in my hand that I did not have, and surely would not know what to do with. I imagined the differences, not fully comprehending how indoor and outdoor plumbing actually did fit together - all I knew is that new outdoor plumbing had a tendency to run without the use of a valve. I wanted that which I knew little, for reasons not conjured up by a rational mind but produced by an extreme change in the universe that mthe rational mind take a back seat to the ever alert below the belt compass.

I have longed for doubles in magazine pictures for a long, long time. I did read the articles, but the pages on doubles were well worn. Then it happened.

Even having studied every curve, every opening point, every crevice of a double in magazines, I was unprepared for what happened next.

It was at the Dallas Safari Club annual expo a few years back, and lighting struck me when I saw one in the flesh. There she was, in 3D. As gawked and slightly drooled, the double pimp put her in my hands. It was an experience that was better than imagined.

I rushed to other booths selling doubles, and I was given the opportunity to fondle to my hearts content. Mind you, I was not permitted to spread her breach to reveal her open and waiting bore, but I felt the immediate need to have a smoke.

I have the double bug. Bad. To hold and cares such a fine pair in your hands, to pull her tight against your body, and to, finally, breach the breach and insert at least 6 inches worth of pure power (two three plus inch cartridges), to release at my command, is...whew!

If she kicks hard, she is in love with me. If she does not, she is seeing other shooters.

Yes, I am taking the dive. I am 6'1", and 250 pounds (I have no idea how many stones it takes to fill that large void). In good, not great shape. 15" length of pull, and someone not bothered by reciol on a hunt. I was a middle linebacker in college (American football for God's sake!) and wrestled in the heavyweight class (anything above 190 per NCAA).

I am looking at two beautiful options. One in 500 NE and one in 577 NE. I did fear the larger cup size until I learned that little Elmer Keith called that fine pair a pussycat. Elmer is one of my heroes. If he can bed down with a D cup, than I can too.

I am taking the dive. I know that most of you have some serious steel mistresses, andwould appreciate your input. Do I go for the major 577 cleavage, or will I live longer with a 500 C cup that won't smother me in my sleep.

Thanks for allowing a self made conservative who is also a writer into your abode.

Jim, AKA Grizzly.

Cigarette time.



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Re: Have to Have It [Re: Grizzly]
      #43436 - 08/12/05 11:41 AM

Grizzly
For your first double I would recommend a 450/400 up to a 500. I would only get a 500 if you are used to shooting a hard kicker. A 470 is the easiest to get ammo for in the modern world.
I have a 450/400 3 1/4" and a 450 No2.
Can you come to the Dallas Safari Show this year?


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Re: Have to Have It [Re: Grizzly]
      #43441 - 08/12/05 12:23 PM

I will be at the Dallas show, unless business intervenes.

If you want a home cooked Tesas meal, you are more than welcome



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Re: Have to Have It [Re: Grizzly]
      #43442 - 08/12/05 12:57 PM

I think the most versatile would be a .450/.400 or a .500/.416 (racy little numbers! ), or a .450 and .470's.

If you lust for a bigger bore the mentioned .500, but the others will get more use.

A .577 would be wonderful, perhaps paired with a .450 or a .400 first. (just trying to be a good pimp).



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Re: Have to Have It [Re: NitroX]
      #43446 - 08/12/05 01:11 PM

Careful to not get your scrotum caught in the Ejector.

A well fit Double should fit like sensuous woman that is just a little bit sleazy. But only for you. Long, lean forever.

If you could think about leaving it behind than it is not for you.

Welcome the Whorehouse.



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Re: Have to Have It [Re: Grizzly]
      #43447 - 08/12/05 01:13 PM

Damn, you should write DR romance novels. Anyway, I was faced with the same question as you a few months ago. I decided on the 500. Its much more versatile then the 577 but still has the extra thumping power over a 470. Part of the beauty of a DR is the quick aimed second shot. The weight and recoil of the 577 diminishes that capability. What are your plans for the rifle? Do you want to go to Africa for Dangerous Game, North American Game or just something to enjoy at the range? What rifles are you looking at?

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Re: Have to Have It [Re: Grizzly]
      #43448 - 08/12/05 01:18 PM

There are so many choices out there, and the pleasure is so great, why choose only one?

By all means get a small bore to go with the heavy. 8x57, 7x65, or the versatile 9.3x74. You will use one of these for all your small and medium game. In a high quality double they are sleek and sexy to the max. Just as a 28 ga. is much sleeker and sexier than a 12 ga.

Get the big gun too, but don't turn away from the small bores.

Welcome to the forum.

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Re: Have to Have It [Re: CptCurl]
      #43457 - 08/12/05 03:16 PM

Well I'd recomend the 500NE. Of course thats because that is what I bought. It is right at what I feel can REALLY handle. That means being still able to get off a second shot with out having to wait till things clear and I know what planet I'm on.

If you are able to and if you have doubts I'd suggest trying both and pick the one you feel most comfortable with. That is what I did. I had pretty much decided on a Searcy as I didn't feel I knew enough to not get burned on a used gun. And the stock sized to fit Me was very attractive as I'm 6'3'' and about 213 lbs. I want down to Boron and was able to shoot a couple of guns to make sure I could handle it.

I'd bet if you asked Butch He'd say sure come on over and try what you'd like. I think you'd enjoy it and Butch is one hell of a nice guy and a true gentleman.

I buy guns to shoot and that is what Butch builds, but I must admit his wood shore is purty. I'm not an investment banker so it's not just an investment to Me. Though I doubt I'll lose money on the gun.

Oh yeah, one more thing, price what ammo/reloading components cost for the two calibers before you jump...

Hope this helps...

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Re: Have to Have It [Re: 510Wells]
      #43468 - 08/12/05 09:16 PM

Grizzly, I dont' know how to tell you this, but 450#2 and I eat home cooked Texas meals, daily!

If you are ever around Houston, give me a shout and we'll go to the range and you shoot my 450/400 3 inch.



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Re: Have to Have It [Re: NE450No2]
      #43481 - 09/12/05 01:48 AM


Good intro. I had to step out and finish my cigar.

I am in the same boat you are, "got to have it" Leaning toward the 500NE from Searcy, but want to look at Heym and some others before plunking down a deposit. Maybe we will bump into each other at DSC in January. The others on this sight are very knowledgable and have answered every question I have thrown at them. You will like it here.

PS: 7-degrees this morning in Southeast New Mexico.


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Re: Have to Have It [Re: Grizzly]
      #43482 - 09/12/05 02:15 AM

Loved your post. Mike occasionally entertains us with his witty and eloquent posts. You should read his recent post about the first few days with his beloved Merkel 500NE, very funny.

We are collegial, but form time to time flames do fly. Nitrox will let them fight it out until it becomes unbecoming of gentleman and he'll kill it.


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      #43483 - 09/12/05 02:19 AM

Capitan,

If you were a jew, you would know what am ICQ number is.

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Re: Have to Have It [Re: Grizzly]
      #43494 - 09/12/05 04:53 AM

That was the most romantic prose I have ever read; I am still teary-eyed.


Calibres: are you planning to shoot elephants? If not, the bigger guns mean more weight to lug around, higher costs for reloading supplies, etc. A .375 or 9.3 are as much as you will ever need on this continent.

Hope to meet you and other board members at Dallas.



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Re: For CptCurl: [Re: bonanza]
      #43499 - 09/12/05 07:04 AM

bonanza,

So you've been snooping around on my profile (or the members list), have you?

Well, what the heck is an ICQ number???????? I've been waiting since May 1, 2004 to find out. Kinda like everybody knows the secret handshake but me.

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Re: For CptCurl: [Re: CptCurl]
      #43502 - 09/12/05 07:26 AM

In reply to:

Well, what the heck is an ICQ number???????? I've been waiting since May 1, 2004 to find out. Kinda like everybody knows the secret handshake but me.





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An easy-to-use online instant messaging program developed by Mirabilis LTD. Prounounced as separate letters, so that it sounds like "I-Seek-You," ICQ is similar to America OnLine's popular Buddy List and Instant Messenger programs. It is used as a conferencing tool by individuals on the Net to chat, e-mail, perform file transfers, play computer games, and more.
Once you have downloaded and installed ICQ onto your PC, you can create a list of friends, family, business associates, etc. (who also have ICQ on their PC's). ICQ uses this list to find your friends for you, and notifies you once they have signed onto the Net. You can then send messages, chat in real time, play games, etc.






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Re: Have to Have It [Re: Grizzly]
      #43513 - 09/12/05 09:18 AM

Grizzly:

Welcome to the party, my friend. You are about to jump into one of the worst addictions I can think of - DRs!!!!! Even when you get your paws on the first one, you start itching for a second.

I'll be at DSC with a number of other fellers from the "Double Rifle Shooters Society." We'll be sporting our DRSS hats with Double Rifle Shooters Society on the side. So if you see someone with "Clark7781" or "577 NitroExpress" on the back, introduce yourself.

Love your post and feel your addiction to big doubles. I have a .500 NE DR and a number of other big guns. My pop, Doc52 on here, also shoots a .50 BMG and is awaiting delivery of our .577 NE from Butch.

Love your post.

My two cents - if you are going to go big, get the .500 first. I hunt jackrabbits and trees in Texas with my .500 and it does a number (a little joke directed back at me from my hunt with the DRSS in Crowell, Texas).

For the .577, get that second ;-)

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Re: Have to Have It [Re: clark7781]
      #43517 - 09/12/05 10:01 AM

Thanks all.

I do plan on getting to Africa in the next couple of years. Almost went to Zimbabwe about three years ago, but cancelled because of the crap Moograbme was doing to his country. Doesn't look like it's any better now.

I have been watching the price of doubles go up and up, so getting one now and having some quality time with it sounded like a good idea to me. Until then, there will be more trees in Texas in great danger. And I thought it would be great on armadillos.

Great suggestion on the smaller caliber - I can have a mistress AND a girlfriend. I have been focusing on the 9.3x74 for a while now.

I have shot a lot and have done a lot of research on terminal rounds, and you just can't beat the older calibers. There's a lot of stuff out there that is bigger and faster, but it does not kill any more or as effectively.

Mickey, thanks for the advice. I never even considered getting my scrotum caught in the ejector. Spoken like a man of experience. If you can, I would appreciate any tips you can give me on avoiding that uncomfortable situation.

I can put my hands on a used 577 Searcy quickly. The Cabela's store that carries it is two hours south of Dallas in Buda, TX. I talked to them at length, but got few answers. The length of pull to the front trigger is 15 inches which is just right for me. Since it was a consignment, they had no idea what mix it was regulated with, and there were no cartridges or brass that came with it.

I saw something on here about this possibly being the third owner. Without any of the rifle specific information I asked for, that is probably dead on. A third owner in such a short time tells me that we are dealing with a string of "mine's bigger than yours" buyers, who have little regard for doubles in general.

While I am sure that Butch can give me the particulars, I am getting a little leary of a lovely lady that has been in 3 abusive relationships.

I will look for double perverts like myself at the DSC convention.

And I don't have one of those damn ICQ ("I seek you" - sounds like a bunch of stalkers) numbers yet, but I will get one and add it to my profile.








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Re: Have to Have It [Re: Grizzly]
      #43526 - 09/12/05 12:54 PM

Well I ain't gettin' an ICQ number. I'll save what I can by living without such a thing, and spend the savings on my next DR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Curl

P.S. Charles Helm

Thanks for letting me in on the secret.

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Re: Have to Have It [Re: CptCurl]
      #43560 - 10/12/05 12:51 AM

Grizzly,
I handled the 577 at Cabelas last Saturday. No comment!

I handled a beautiful A. Hollis and Son 450/400 3 inch.
The rifle look great. It was off the face. The bores were sharp with a bit of Cordite cutting near the chambers. It was a Leonard Action, a 3 digit Leonard action.

Unfortunately, the rifle is on it's way to JJ at Champlin.

Did I mention I called a friend of mine who was looking for a nice double?

There was a very cute Purdey chambered in 300 Rook. I'd never seen one of those before. It was a dainty rifle.

Could I suggest you would be very happy with a 450/400 3 inch? Even a new one built by Butch.

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Re: For CptCurl: [Re: Charles_Helm]
      #43563 - 10/12/05 02:46 AM

The ICQ numbers are used extensively in the Jewish community.

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Re: For CptCurl: [Re: bonanza]
      #43591 - 10/12/05 07:11 AM

Bonanza
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The ICQ numbers are used extensively in the Jewish community.






Are we talking the same numbers that are on the profile page? Why would that be?

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Re: Have to Have It [Re: Rusty]
      #43609 - 10/12/05 09:57 AM

Rusty, how much was the A Hollis and Son 450/400?

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Re: For CptCurl: [Re: mickey]
      #43610 - 10/12/05 10:06 AM

Come on Rusty, you have to comment! How was she?

Since you fondled before I did, you have dibs if you are interested. If not, please let me know.

Heard back from Butch. I saw a 500NE underlever he listed for sale, and was going to offer to wrastle him for it. Alas, he still has it but it is not for sale. He is keeping it to prototype a new design. Here's the response I received:

Yes, I still have the 500 Underlever. It's no longer for sale because I'm using it to design a Bissel Rising Bite third fastener. I get bored very easy.
I will be in Dallas in booth # 247


That terminology sent me scrambling for the books. The design has nothing to do with a vacuum system that sucks up the game you just shot. It is a design that makes the action rock solid. Two locking points can still result in some shimmy. Three is like triangulating a point on a map. All 3 need to seat and lock.

The ghosts of Westly and Richards reside in Boron, CA.

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Re: For CptCurl: [Re: Grizzly]
      #43612 - 10/12/05 10:24 AM


Grizzly

If Searcy can pull off remaking the Rigby Bissell Rising Third bite
I will be impressed and I'd like to see that.

Will Searcy be going to the Shot Show ?

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Re: For CptCurl: [Re: 500Nitro]
      #43617 - 10/12/05 11:01 AM

Curl,

He will be at the DSC convention. Not sure about the Shot Show. He is going to be a busy man if he's doing the bissell design.

Butch is going for the holy grail of doubles. And you know what? He'll do it.

Hey Butch, the Brits, the Germans, and especially The FRENCH, say, and I quote:

Brits: "A primative colonial. And a "PC" can never replicate our workmanship. We did not lose the colonial war, we left because America is crap".

Germans: "Searcy has a lack of strict discipline. He will not alow large European Women to spank him, which is the discipline we all honor. He cannot build a gun, and he cannot compete with our 30 hour work week with 12 weeks of holiday. Americans are weak, and do not drink enough beer".

French: "Searcy is an animal, who showers less than our women. The only good thing about Butch is that he has less body hair than a French woman. His weapons will never meet out standards. A Searcy always has been fired, and his rifles have never been subjected to the surrender-drop-test. Let Searcy eat cake".

It took a while for me to compile those quotes. I hope this board appreciates my effort!

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