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Bill
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Searcy "PH" vs. Blaser 'S2". Facts please...
      #41967 - 20/11/05 12:21 PM

I'm new here (so be gentle with my question), and I have no desire to create a verbal fire-storm of brand loyalty. - - I want a working double rifle (.470NE) that will regulate accurately at 100 yards, using Federal 500gr. factory ammunition. - Your assistance is requested.

1. Price is a consideration, with reliability and the ability to accurately print both barrels at 100 yards my key requirement.

2. I have e-mailed Mr. Searcy, and he assures me that his rifles will meet my 100 yard requirement. I have read enough to believe he also makes a reliable hunting rifle.

3. Blaser is very attractive with price and the ability to self-regulate the barrels. I am not concerned with the unique cocking system. (With my novice experience I don't think I am concerned.)

If anyone has factual information - or hands-on experience - with either of my above choices, I will really appreciate your help...


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Re: Searcy "PH" vs. Blaser 'S2". Facts please... [Re: Bill]
      #41970 - 20/11/05 12:41 PM

Bill,

Don't overlook the Merkel. You will get a great rifle and save a lot of $$$$.

Just today I noticed a Merkel .500NE on GunsAmerica.com for $7,500. That is a great rifle and a good price.

You can get .470's in that price range too.

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Re: Searcy "PH" vs. Blaser 'S2". Facts please... [Re: CptCurl]
      #41971 - 20/11/05 12:53 PM

Curl:

Many Thanks...

I have seen the advertisements (I review the internet gun sites actively.) - The concern is my desire for 100 yard regulation. I don't want to buy a 'used' rifle and then find it will not shoot accurately at 100 yards with Federal factory loadings.

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Re: Searcy "PH" vs. Blaser 'S2". Facts please... [Re: Bill]
      #41981 - 20/11/05 02:03 PM

Bill

Welcome

I think that you will find that this is one place where Brand Loyalty does not exist.

Class Warfare, .....maybe.

That being said I will leave you to our many members who have experience with one or both.

Check the thread by 500Nitro on the Blaser he just received, also Ratel has some posts on his Blaser. Many people here own Searcys.

If this is your first rifle and you are 'in the dark' about what to do you should probably consider new as opposed to used.

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Re: Searcy "PH" vs. Blaser 'S2". Facts please... [Re: mickey]
      #41989 - 20/11/05 03:13 PM

If you want a 100 yard gun, get the Blaser. It is very accurate once regulated.

If you want a dangerous game rifle for killing mean stuff at very close range, get a Searcy. (or other suitable DG double). THe Sig S2 Blaser is not a dangerous game rifle, no matter what caliber it is in. The design is antithetical to quick action in a DG hunting situation and reloading and recocking are SLOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWW...................


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Re: Searcy "PH" vs. Blaser 'S2". Facts please... [Re: Bill]
      #42007 - 21/11/05 02:37 AM

There would be no contest IMO! The B Searcy PH model chambered for 470NE is regulated with the Federal ammo at the factory. You can find more expensive "NEW" double rifles,than the Searcy, but you will not find one that is more accurate, no matter the price. Addtionally, the price of $9.5K (for the PH mod)is for a rifle made to fit you. You will not find a made to order double rifle in that price range anyplace else.

The fact that you are a novice, makes a traditional cocking system far more valuable, than it would be to an experienced double rifle shooter. Mr. Murphy is a sneaky little devil, and the more "IDIOT PROOF" you can make the rifle the better, especially in a Dangerous game rifle. DGR is the only reason to buy a 470NE double rifle, IMO. If you are going to use the rifle only in the USA, then the 9.3X74R makes far more sense!

The Merkel is a valuable rifle for a low price, and is as relaiable as solid rock. I have two Merkels, and 470NE, and a 9.3X74R and the 470NE will print four shots in a 2.5" group at 50 yds, from the bench. The 9.3 will print four in a 2" group at 100 yds, also off the bench. Off hand, or over the sticks takes practice, especially with a cartridge that generates as much recoil as the 470NE.

Between the two you are considering, the B.Searcy is head, and shoulders above the Blaser, IMO, FWIW!

Good luck in your search! We always need more members in the DRSS! (DOUBLE RIFLE SHOOTER'S SOCIETY)

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Re: Searcy "PH" vs. Blaser 'S2". Facts please... [Re: 500grains]
      #42011 - 21/11/05 03:37 AM

To all: Thanks to all for the information. - Yes, I shoot reasonably well, with a degree of accuracy, and Africa is in my plans for the rifle I finally select. If I can get a reliable double .470NE that will consistently print ~1" at 100 yards (with quality Federal factory ammunition), I will have my ideal rifle. I still have questions in my mind about the Blaser...

"500 grain" you said, The design is antithetical to quick action in a DG hunting situation and reloading and recocking are SLOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWW...................

Could you please elaborate on the problems you have had with reloading and "re-cocking". - - Thanks.


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Re: Searcy "PH" vs. Blaser 'S2". Facts please... [Re: Bill]
      #42020 - 21/11/05 07:42 AM

Bill

Could I ask you to go through your thought process on which rifle and which caliber you end up buying? A lot of posters here are looking for there first rifle and I think it would be educational to read about what people buy and why.

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Re: Searcy "PH" vs. Blaser 'S2". Facts please... [Re: Bill]
      #42029 - 21/11/05 09:43 AM

Bill,

I have shot 2 Blaser S2 double rifles, in .375 and .500.

1. The .375 shells did not drop in. I had to push them down into the chambers relatively hard.

2. The shroud on both rifles interferes with loading because it is in the way. The more stuff that is in the way, the slower it is.

3. Once the gun is fired, it is opened in the traditional way. THen the empties must be taken out by hand. (No ejector option on the S2). Then fresh shells are inserted. The shroud is in the way for both operations. Then the rifle is closed. THEN IT MUST BE MANUALLY RECOCKED WITH THE COCKING PIECE. Then it can be fired again.

My impression: slow and awkward. But an S2 in .375 or 9.3 would probably be good for elk in Colorado or hogs in Texas.



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Re: Searcy "PH" vs. Blaser 'S2". Facts please... [Re: 500grains]
      #42063 - 21/11/05 02:03 PM

"500 Grains", thanks - that is a good explanation...

“Mick”: My search process has taken some two years and gone something like this:
1. As a member of Safari Club International I get "Safari" (a quality publication) which has excellent coverage of dangerous game hunting, rifles used, and PH opinion. African hunting is a desire and my plan for the future. So my plan to secure a double rifle began to take shape.
2. I began searching the internet gun forums, and joined a few just to open up the member themes. I bought the complete set of “Mark Sullivan” DVDs, his book “Death and Double Rifles”, and called him to discuss interests. (PS: Mark Sullivan was very helpful in getting me focused on a double rifle. And, Mark was not complimentary concerning the Blaser S2, based on what he had been told about the cock/de-cock system. - One may admire or choose to disagree with Mark’s hunting method, but considering the way he hunts anything that might complicate or slow reloading is not a desirable option.
3. About this time I also began to consider that I would like to reduce my hunting proficiency to a fewer weapons. (I am fairly good with a rifle or pistol, I hunt actively, and I enjoy the study of ballistics. I simply have too many interests in various calibers (pistol & rifle) to ever consider achieving proficiency in re-loading. Thus, for double rifle consideration, I selected the .470NE based the ballistics, and the ready availability of Federal factory ammunition (and others) at a reasonable price point.)
4. Fewer weapons has led me to the following: Everyone needs a .22LR for plinking and "critters". A 12Ga. with a selection of screw-in chokes covers my scattergun needs. I selected a Steyr (Cooper) Scout in .308 as my small-medium game rifle (0-200 yards). A .300 Weatherby magnum was selected for medium-large game and shots out to 450 yards.
5 Then to complete my list I knew I needed a large caliber rifle for African game (O-200 yards), and as a "stopper".
6. I have attended SCI conventions, looked at used doubles, talked to other hunters, spent long hours on the internet, wrote to Butch Searcy for advice - and finally decided to join Nitroexpress.com and ask for opinions.

So, here I am - still in some quandary, but leaning toward calling Mr. Searcy to get on his build schedule with a .470NE...

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Re: Searcy "PH" vs. Blaser 'S2". Facts please... [Re: Bill]
      #42071 - 21/11/05 04:56 PM

Bill

Thanks. I am always curious about what makes guys get into Doubles.

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Re: Searcy "PH" vs. Blaser 'S2". Facts please... [Re: mickey]
      #42108 - 22/11/05 05:18 AM

"Mick" / "500Grains":

What is the "DRSS"? (Double Rifle Shooters Society) What does this group do?

Is it something I might wish to join after I get my double rifle, or must one be invited and qualify in order to join?

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Re: Searcy "PH" vs. Blaser 'S2". Facts please... [Re: Bill]
      #42110 - 22/11/05 05:28 AM

Bill,

DRSS is a bunch of guys in Texas who get together to shoot pigs with double rifles. Contact NE450No.2 of this forum and I am sure he can tell you how to get invited. I live a bit too far from Texas to consider participating at this time.


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Re: Searcy "PH" vs. Blaser 'S2". "DRSS" [Re: 500grains]
      #42112 - 22/11/05 05:40 AM

500Grains:

Thank you...



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Re: Searcy "PH" vs. Blaser 'S2". Facts please... [Re: Bill]
      #42114 - 22/11/05 06:56 AM

Bill:

I'm not going to speak for Tony (NE450No2) or Rusty, but as a rifle carrying member of DRSS, I can add my $.02.

DRSS is an informal group of guys who share a love of DRs. Rusty says it is open to anyone who owns or has a facination with DRs.

The center of the group is centered around Texas (because that is where most of the members are from) and the DRSS has gotten together a number of times in the past for a weekend shoot and hunt.

Our recent hunt can be found here:

DRSS Hunt in Crowell, Texas

Most of the guys in the DRSS also post on AccurateReloading.com. You'll see them with DRSS shirts and hats.

The hats are green or tan, have the AR logo on the front, their AR screen name on the back and Double Rifle Shooters Society embroidered on the side. The shirts are similar, with Double Rifle Shooters Society on the sleeve. See the above post for pics.

They are a GREAT bunch of guys. And you don't have to be in Texas to be a member of the group. I live in the suburbs of Washington, DC and flew to Dallas for the hunt.

Hopefully that is some background info for you.

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Re: Searcy "PH" vs. Blaser 'S2". Facts please... [Re: 500grains]
      #42115 - 22/11/05 06:59 AM

Dan:

You should try to get down to one of the hunts - they are a hoot!

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Re: Searcy "PH" vs. Blaser 'S2". Facts please... [Re: clark7781]
      #42118 - 22/11/05 07:36 AM

The Blaser S2 Safari modell (375 and up) is not self adjustable as the regular version (9,3 and down). I know this for a fact!

If I was to make the choice today there would be a Searcy in my Safe.

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Re: Searcy "PH" vs. Blaser 'S2". Facts please... [Re: cchunter]
      #42135 - 22/11/05 10:55 AM

Thanks everyone:

I think I have the information I needed. - - I appreciate all of the response..


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Re: Searcy "PH" vs. Blaser 'S2". Facts please... [Re: Bill]
      #42216 - 23/11/05 11:34 AM

I just put my deposit down on a searcy deluxe boxlock in 500 NE. Man am I excited. You guys have been invaluable in getting information and insight to make the choice that was right for me. I am going to Butch's shop on monday to get measured. Thanks very much for all the input.

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Re: Searcy "PH" vs. Blaser 'S2". Facts please... [Re: bulldog563]
      #42226 - 23/11/05 01:30 PM

In reply to:

I just put my deposit down on a searcy deluxe boxlock in 500 NE. Man am I excited. You guys have been invaluable in getting information and insight to make the choice that was right for me. I am going to Butch's shop on monday to get measured. Thanks very much for all the input.




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Re: Searcy "PH" vs. Blaser 'S2". Facts please... [Re: bulldog563]
      #42228 - 23/11/05 01:36 PM

Bulldog

Congratulations on your purchase. Now the long wait.



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Re: Searcy "PH" vs. Blaser 'S2". Facts please... [Re: NitroX]
      #42242 - 23/11/05 04:27 PM

No Kidding.

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Re: Searcy "PH" vs. Blaser 'S2". Facts please... [Re: bulldog563]
      #42247 - 23/11/05 07:17 PM


Long wait - all good things come to those who wait.

Go and order a Holland, Purdey or Boss !!!

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Re: Searcy "PH" vs. Blaser 'S2". Facts please... [Re: 500Nitro]
      #42250 - 23/11/05 07:24 PM

Don't I wish. Unfortunately those are slightly out of my price range. You can get me one if you like.

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Re: Searcy "PH" vs. Blaser 'S2". Facts please... [Re: 500Nitro]
      #42262 - 24/11/05 02:11 AM

Earlier this year I spoke with the guys at Westley Richards and I believe they told me the current waiting period for one of their DRs is.....


Four years.



Bulldog, you probably will just miss our .577 when you visit Butch's shop. I believe Butch sent it to the engraver just the other day.

Tell us, are you going with any upgrades? Be sure to plow through his wood pile and pick out a nice one.

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