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CJF
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What is this scope mount on this Charles Lancaster double?
#390805 - 31/03/25 11:22 AM

I just won a mid-1880s Charles Lancaster double rifle at auction. The pictures of the top rib show what a scope mount that appears to have a single mount on the gun. Any idea what type of scope mounting system this is?

The auction pics can be viewed here: https://www.invaluable.com/auction-lot/a...Q3vMvblda7Ystc_

And while I haven't yet mounted a red dot on a DR, this almost screams to be used for that purpose, with a custom adaptor plate. Something small like a Trijicon RMR or SRO. If for no other reason than seeing if my old eyes and iron sights can match a red dot.

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Re: What is this scope mount on this Charles Lancaster double? [Re: CJF]
#390806 - 31/03/25 12:16 PM

This might give a better view:

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Re: What is this scope mount on this Charles Lancaster double? [Re: CJF]
#390809 - 31/03/25 02:43 PM

It looks like a pretty amateur attempt at making some sort of mount for god only knows what sort of sight, get rid of it. What is the rod like object behind the rear sight, is it some sort of flip up brass tipped sight that was used with whatever sight fitted that base?

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Re: What is this scope mount on this Charles Lancaster double? [Re: eagle27]
#390821 - 01/04/25 12:05 AM

I believe the rib with brass or ivory on it is to aid in low light sighting. Re the mount, I’ve seen one like it but unfortunately I don’t remember if it was early English or early German.

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Re: What is this scope mount on this Charles Lancaster double? [Re: CJF]
#390828 - 01/04/25 02:21 AM

Chris,

That is very similar to a sight base that is on a Val Kern drilling that I sold. It is a base that was commercially available probably 120 years ago. (My drilling was built around 1900 so the base was likely from that time period.)

I will email photos of the scope mount and base to you.

Axel will likely tell you what this base is called.

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Re: What is this scope mount on this Charles Lancaster double? [Re: 85lc]
#390829 - 01/04/25 02:35 AM

Chris,

I meant to tell you that your new rifle looks wonderful. In the late 1800s, Lancasters were considered to be top of the line rifles. My Lancaster 450EX is very accurate. There is a nice writeup in one of tehDGJs about shooting Lancasters that you may eenjoy reading. Have fun shooting your new DR.

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Re: What is this scope mount on this Charles Lancaster double? [Re: 85lc]
#390830 - 01/04/25 03:35 AM

Congrats on the win. Nice looking double. I certain think the mount could be for a red dot. The 2 half holes on the breech side are similar to the pins used on the bottoms of some sights to lock them in place. As you search and play with the rifle keep us updated.

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Re: What is this scope mount on this Charles Lancaster double? [Re: LRF]
#390836 - 01/04/25 05:42 AM

Thanks all. If things follow the same timeline as my last purchase from these folks, I should have it in hand mid-June.

The scope base looks like it would have scope rings like the AKAH mount pictured over on germanhuntingguns.com. Will share that image later.

Edited by CJF (01/04/25 05:45 AM)

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Re: What is this scope mount on this Charles Lancaster double? [Re: CJF]
#390837 - 01/04/25 06:53 AM

Here’s the AKAH mount from germanhuntingguns.com. Similar to the one 85lc share via email.

[image]https://hosting.photobucket.com/ef477c67-1177-4902-ac5a-0357556b39c6/15326f09-8e89-4b34-a518-e835ea956b78.jpeg://[/image]

(Traveling and trying to sort this out on my iPad vs PC. Will get this fixed later)

Chris

Edited by CJF (01/04/25 06:55 AM)

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Re: What is this scope mount on this Charles Lancaster double? [Re: CJF]
#390841 - 01/04/25 08:49 AM

No idea about the base but a very nice double.

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