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Dreyse 11mm Double Rifle - what did I buy? centerfire?
#388423 - 25/12/24 03:59 PM

Dreyse 11mm Double Rifle - what did I buy? centerfire or needle gun?

This came up for sale - I like unusual double rifles, so I bought it. But now I'm hoping its not a needle-gun. I won't have it in hand for a couple weeks. Meantime, Can anyone here tell me what I bought. If centerfire, how does it work? What cartridge would it shoot? Any idea when it was made?

https://www.buckstix.com/buckpics/dreyse11mm-000.jpg

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Re: Dreyse 11mm Double Rifle - what did I buy? centerfire? [Re: buckstix]
#388424 - 25/12/24 09:12 PM

is this the 11,15x60R mauser double rifle? had this here before and see it on gunbrocker or gunsinternatiopnal again. your link don't work for me, merry christmas!

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Re: Dreyse 11mm Double Rifle - what did I buy? centerfire? [Re: lancaster]
#388425 - 25/12/24 10:22 PM

Quote:

your link don't work for me, merry christmas!

Nor for me!

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Re: Dreyse 11mm Double Rifle - what did I buy? centerfire? [Re: kuduae]
#388426 - 25/12/24 11:29 PM

Quote:

Quote:

your link don't work for me, merry christmas!

Nor for me!

Yep, not unusable

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Re: Dreyse 11mm Double Rifle - what did I buy? centerfire? [Re: LRF]
#388428 - 26/12/24 12:25 AM

Not sure why links links work for some and not others - search guns international item number 102933396 dreyse

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Re: Dreyse 11mm Double Rifle - what did I buy? centerfire? [Re: buckstix]
#388430 - 26/12/24 01:04 AM

https://www.gunsinternational.com/guns-f...=102933396#lg-4

yep, this one was bespoken somewhere here http://forums.nitroexpress.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=244637&an=0&page=0#Post244637
can't find it now but in my memory it was 11,15x60R Mauser M71
typical fine german high grad double rifle from the late 1880s /early 1890s- you did fine

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Re: Dreyse 11mm Double Rifle - what did I buy? centerfire? [Re: lancaster]
#388435 - 26/12/24 06:35 AM

Lancaster, Thanks for posting. Looks like a well engraved double rifle.

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Re: Dreyse 11mm Double Rifle - what did I buy? centerfire? [Re: buckstix]
#388456 - 27/12/24 08:37 AM

I had the seller send me some pictures of the breech - looks like this is a cartridge double.

https://www.buckstix.com/buckpics/breech-000.jpg

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Re: Dreyse 11mm Double Rifle - what did I buy? centerfire? [Re: buckstix]
#388468 - 27/12/24 04:12 PM

it is , 200%

you see it on the pic

"11mm"

a needlefire cartridge would have a much different designation, you can trust me in this field.

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Re: Dreyse 11mm Double Rifle - what did I buy? centerfire? [Re: lancaster]
#388499 - 29/12/24 01:45 AM

Interesting that the breach face is like a Dougall, where the barrels slide back over circular bosses in the face.

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Re: Dreyse 11mm Double Rifle - what did I buy? centerfire? [Re: CJF]
#388527 - 30/12/24 12:53 AM

I think this is a carry-over from the needle gun system which required a mechanical seal at the back of the chamber.

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Re: Dreyse 11mm Double Rifle - what did I buy? centerfire? [Re: buckstix]
#388528 - 30/12/24 02:50 AM

no, it was original a needle fire action without, but the the two "disc" on the breech face that slip into the barrels appears in late 1880s/early 1890s and were meant as a reinforcement for the action.
the common dreyse needle fire shotgun cartridge don't need anything like this.

the older needle fire shotguns for pure paper cartridges hade a much longer opturation called hollow chamber. looks like this:

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Re: Dreyse 11mm Double Rifle - what did I buy? centerfire? [Re: lancaster]
#388635 - 04/01/25 01:35 AM

Thanks for the explanation. I should have the rifle in hand tomorrow, Jan. 4t h.

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Re: Dreyse 11mm Double Rifle - what did I buy? centerfire? [Re: buckstix]
#388662 - 05/01/25 02:39 PM

Well, I got the rifle in hand today. This is a marvelous little double rifle. Action is tight as new when made in the 1890s, and it operates silky smooth. There is no doubt - this is a center-fire cartridge double rifle as witnessed by a chamber cast. Its in 11.15x60R caliber (43 Mauser) I can't wait to take it to the range to see how it shoots. But it may be a while. Outdoor temperature were 10 degrees today.

https://www.buckstix.com/buckpics/43-cast.jpg

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Re: Dreyse 11mm Double Rifle - what did I buy? centerfire? [Re: buckstix]
#388669 - 06/01/25 05:41 AM

Pretty nice. Does it have the .446" groove diameter of the 1884 Mausers?

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Re: Dreyse 11mm Double Rifle - what did I buy? centerfire? [Re: DarylS]
#388670 - 06/01/25 06:49 AM

I never measured the groove dia. I just used some of my swaged .440 diameter half jacket bullets. Well, I am back from the field test, and I am tremendously happy with this little double's performance. Its ready to go for next year's deer hunting.

https://www.buckstix.com/buckpics/11MM-TARG-1.jpg

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