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casper50
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.46 rimfire Ballard fires again.
      #387436 - 27/10/24 01:49 PM

Finished making some .46 rimfire for the Brown made Ballard today.

https://youtu.be/0GhFEO2XW6E

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Re: .46 rimfire Ballard fires again. [Re: casper50]
      #387437 - 27/10/24 05:35 PM

good work
the 46 Ballard my be an impressive round in a handgun also with blackpowder but in your rifle it looks like a boy gun.
I think you use the .22 long tool blank for priming. common was allways the short 6 mm Flobert blank but you may have problems to find it in alaska. I was allways worried about such a long case it will open up on the muzzle and will be hard to get out of his primer hole after firing. otherwise the blank stands into the powder and the pressure when fired will be inside and out very quickly so this prevent an "explode" muzzle.

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Re: .46 rimfire Ballard fires again. [Re: lancaster]
      #387438 - 27/10/24 05:40 PM

They punch right out. I use them in all my rimfire cartridges from .25 to the .46.

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Re: .46 rimfire Ballard fires again. [Re: casper50]
      #387448 - 28/10/24 03:48 AM

Gotta love getting those old rifles working.
Good stuff, Casper.

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Re: .46 rimfire Ballard fires again. [Re: DarylS]
      #387449 - 28/10/24 04:19 AM

Thanks Daryl.

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Re: .46 rimfire Ballard fires again. [Re: casper50]
      #387451 - 28/10/24 05:57 AM

the .22 tool blank is probably stronger used as a primer than the original .50 BMG primer.


what die set do you use for loading?


46 long rimfire



44-40 WCF

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Re: .46 rimfire Ballard fires again. [Re: lancaster]
      #387452 - 28/10/24 06:28 AM

Don't need any dies. Once fire formed, I just punch the old .22 out, push another new one in, load the powder, the bullets are a semi tight squeeze fit, (i.e. a hard push in), and they are ready.

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Re: .46 rimfire Ballard fires again. [Re: casper50]
      #387453 - 28/10/24 06:57 AM

In the absence of seating dies a collet type bullet puller is a handy tool to seat bullets. Different collets will cover a range of bullets e.g. a 44 calibre collet will do .423 (404J) bullets etc.

The collet die in the press holds bullets inline which can be seated into cases irrespective of the shape and length of the cases i.e. cases themselves do not enter a bullet puller die.

Just a thought.

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Re: .46 rimfire Ballard fires again. [Re: DarylS]
      #387454 - 28/10/24 07:02 AM

Quote:

Gotta love getting those old rifles working.
Good stuff, Casper.



Amazing to see alright!
Keep up the good work mate getting these old treasures going again Casper

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Re: .46 rimfire Ballard fires again. [Re: 93x64mm]
      #387455 - 28/10/24 07:12 AM

It has the dual ignition system. Both, rimfire and percussion. I'm going to try it with the percussion today.

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Re: .46 rimfire Ballard fires again. [Re: casper50]
      #387457 - 28/10/24 09:19 AM

Mike.

As always, you posted a very interesting video. Are you getting about 750 = 800 fps with your load?

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Re: .46 rimfire Ballard fires again. [Re: 85lc]
      #387459 - 28/10/24 09:35 AM

I haven't crono'ed it. But, I'm loading light. I've read that the receivers aren't all that tough.

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Re: .46 rimfire Ballard fires again. [Re: casper50]
      #387460 - 28/10/24 03:57 PM

I'm always amazed at some of the skills of many of our members.

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Re: .46 rimfire Ballard fires again. [Re: NitroX]
      #387461 - 28/10/24 04:24 PM

I tried the percussion mode this afternoon. Long hang fires when it does go off. There's a company that makes a centerfire conversion that swaps out the percussion nipple for a firing pin unit. No permanent modifications. Would be a ton simpler to use. Out of stock but I'm on the list for when they are back in stock.
https://www.ssfirearms.com/proddetail.asp?prod=BD23

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Re: .46 rimfire Ballard fires again. [Re: casper50]
      #387463 - 29/10/24 03:52 AM

Well done, Casper!
Always fun to bring an old rifle back to life.

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Re: .46 rimfire Ballard fires again. [Re: casper50]
      #387464 - 29/10/24 03:58 AM

Now that you mention that CF conversion, Casper, I recall reading about it in Rifle or G&A magazine, many years ago.
The percussion cap conversion would only work well with real BP, I assume.

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Re: .46 rimfire Ballard fires again. [Re: DarylS]
      #387465 - 29/10/24 05:51 AM

Daryl I think the main problem is they used flat based rimfire cartridges with a hole in the center. I'm using modern centerfire with a pocket for the primer, with no primer. Leaves a gap

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Re: .46 rimfire Ballard fires again. [Re: casper50]
      #387466 - 29/10/24 06:58 AM

I try to understand how it work because never see this. It seems this rifle having an extra nipple so you can load it as a muzzle loader having a fired rimfire case in the chamber with a hole that opturate the breech end. because you have a center fire case here the powder don't move trough the small flash hole into the primer pocket and you have a gap ( the primer pocket) which makes it hard for the flame to reach and ignite the powder. I would open up the flash hole in the case from +/- 2 mm to 4 mm. Than take an used boxer primer, remove the anvil, set it into case and drill a little flash hole into the cap.
This way the powder can trickle down to the cap and come close like it was a rimfire case.

please show pics how this action works. I think it must be a nice toy.
loaded like a muzzle loader you get more powder into the barrel but would it be a good idea to duplicate a 45/70?

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Re: .46 rimfire Ballard fires again. [Re: casper50]
      #387467 - 29/10/24 08:07 AM

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Daryl I think the main problem is they used flat based rimfire cartridges with a hole in the center. I'm using modern centerfire with a pocket for the primer, with no primer. Leaves a gap



Yes it would and the flash hole needs to be larger. But - if you are still using 4198, that will also delay or prevent ignition with a percussion cap. If that nipple is a 1/4X28 thread, you could easily make a primer firing device using either large rifle/pistil or small rifle/pistol primers.
I made one back i n the late 70's as I couldn't get percussion caps in Smithers, B.C. This like shows a picture. They were noted in "The Muzzleloading Cap Lock Rifle" by Ned Roberts. Much hotter and longer duration flash.

https://www.modernmuzzleloader.com/threads/primer-ignition-device-to-replace-percussion-caps.42348/

More modern version is called MagSpark. They are available in a number of different thread sizes. The 1/4x28 version is $30.00 and made or available in the USA.
https://warrencustomoutdoor.com/product/mag-spark/

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Re: .46 rimfire Ballard fires again. [Re: DarylS]
      #387468 - 29/10/24 08:19 AM

nipple is a 1/4x32. That modern one is two fat to fit in the space. A normal size nipple barely fits in the block.

Edited by casper50 (29/10/24 08:28 AM)

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