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What happens to the meat of your trophy
      #387139 - 08/10/24 05:55 PM

In many countries, especially the UK, \ and among some idiot shooters trophy hunting is often often derided and attacked. The following is comments by Jorge Pinero on hiwca cape buffalo carcass might be utilised and the benefits from the trophy hunted beast.

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What happens to the meat of your trophy?
by Jorge Pinero

This buffalo 2200 pounds live now is a 1000 pounds of clean boneless meat, that gets to be used for a little camp meat(the tail I will make into Cuban Oxtails for the camp and a few dinners) the remaining 990 pounds will go to all the workers on the farm as protein rations of food where few African natives eat meat. It will feed approximately 4000 meals out of one buffalo.
The natives see the economic benefit from having hunters here as they have employment in a country with 65% unemployment, they will get rations of meat for their families and all this causes the native population to decrease poaching thereby increasing wildlife numbers of all animals not just buffalo, elephants, lions, leopards etc. Hunting fees from trophy animals provide for anti poaching and are the only ones who pay for anti poaching.
This is conservation to the maximum.

1 Hunter can bring more income to a village and less of a human imprint than any photo safari.
The photo safari lodges have to have huge infrastructure and a fleet of land rovers for guests, water usage and a large development on wild lands.

One to two hunters foot print is one vehicle and a small camp with very little use of natural resources. Higher fees means distribution of funds in marginally uncomfortable areas with mosquitos, Tsetse flies, bugs never seen by the photographers as they need plush accommodations, spas and salons. A hunter does not need fancy lodges and will travel to areas often infested with bugs.

The fees paid by one hunter for the hunt of expensive wildlife requires nearly 100 photographic clients to render the benefits through direct funds that all stay within that community, not sent back to the corporations in Europe and the US that own these companies and benefit from the profits.
Hunting dollars stay in African communities
Photo Safari profits are often sent overseas!

Ecologically, photo safaris destroy more habitat than hunters ever will.

Maybe it’s time to place CITES restrictions on photographic companies as they do more damage to native wild Africa than hunters ever will!

Next time you see a wild animal in Africa, thank a hunter, their dollars are what are really saving African and world wildlife, not the photo safari industry!

Jorge Pinero

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Re: What happens to the meat of your trophy [Re: NitroX]
      #387152 - 09/10/24 04:12 AM

Thanks John. Knew it was something like this, but well explained.
I did not realize the "extent" and footprint of photo safaris.

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Re: What happens to the meat of your trophy [Re: DarylS]
      #387166 - 09/10/24 10:41 AM

Thanks for posting that John. I know with my Buff, Elephant and plains game all the meat and some of the bones are used to feed the locals or sold to go towards local education.

I did not realise the photo safari's had such a large footprint.

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Re: What happens to the meat of your trophy [Re: Rule303]
      #387171 - 09/10/24 08:46 PM

Photo safaris rarely use tented camps except for the cheap ones I assume glamping safaris are now readily available as well.

I've always done cheaper ones. Budget camping in Tanzania. Overland through Kenya Tanzania Zambia Zimbabwe, Botswana then back to Zimbabwe from the SW.

We set up our own tents, etc Often cooked ourselves. The Kenyan budget your had a driver, a cook, a helper.

The normal luxury safari stays in bandas, chalets,often usually air conditioning ensuites, swimming pools, restaurants. Lots and lots of facilities. Lots of staff.

Hunting camps can be camping setups.To similar to the tourist safari luxury resorts. I've never been in a luxury resort type, except as a visitor. Booked chalets at Parks camps in Zimbabwe. Zambezi Riverside cottages in Zambia. Also thatched roof tents on the Zambezi banks. Plus tented camps. Farm houses in Namibia or the small town hotel. Cottages in the Matetsi. Farm house in the Gwayi.

Some hunters want the tented camp. It'd be cool in the Selous. I'm happy to have solid wall and thatched roof "luxury" in estabused camps Ceiling fans orvait conditioning keep it cooler if there's power. I unfortunately do need electricity at night even if from a battery as I've needed a CPAP to breathe for decades. I don't havevacrestful see without it. Even then I might not. Makes wilderness hunting difficult But batteries are far more common now in the od days I'd ask the outfitter to run the generator over night at my cost. One of the directors of Nengasha Safaris even had a UPS battery in camp for the same reason, but only at the last camp, last night I was there after a vehicle breakdown.

Back to footprints. The tourist safari needs a helmif a ot more resources to operate.

And the harassment to wildlife is often terrible. A hundred a hundred and fifty tourist vehicles chasing after some cheetahs, lions, a tiger ...

Tourist safaris will not operate in the rougher, tougher,less accessible parks and reserves.

Tanzania has only five tourist parks which make a profitable income. But over thirty or far more hunting concessions which if they don't make a profit change hands

The fantasy of ending hunting would result in a collapse of wildlife populations in the third word.

The meat goes to camp rations. Might gontolocal populations. Some of h elephants went to the camp. Some for the local chief. The rest completely used by locals who left nothing but a brown stain behind. Meat in some places is sold on the market. South Africa hunters shoot a lot for biltong

Rarely is the meat not used completely. The black staff in the Matetsi even wanted a disgusting several days old kudu Coe found in a snare. Taken as leopard bait. I guessed I wasnt shooting benough other game, was hunting buffalo. So we took a day off and I shot an impala and a zebra

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Re: What happens to the meat of your trophy [Re: DarylS]
      #387176 - 10/10/24 05:01 AM

Excellent article. Every once on awhile, I run into someone who does not understand hunting and is of the opinion that traveling to Africa and other parts of the world to hunt is completely wrong and a crime against nature. (Remember the "Cecil the Lion" fiasco?)

Luckily for me, I live in Texas and most people who live here either hunt or have friends and family who do, so people with the anti-hunting attitude are few and far between. That being said, we have had a large influx of people moving here from more Liberal places like California and the East Coast the past few years (as well as from just about every other shit-hole country in the world!), so you never know. This article will come in handy and go a long way to help explain the truth about the situation.

Thanks for sharing John!





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Re: What happens to the meat of your trophy [Re: NitroX]
      #387182 - 10/10/24 06:29 PM

The part of Camera/green safaris I had not thought about was the number of vehicles. The od one I have seen have had 6 or more people in something like a Land Cruiser Troop Carrier minus the roof or something similar, not the 1 or 2 people per vehicle. All camps bar 1, that I have stayed in are basically thatched huts with fan.

The one that wasn't, cratered for the well heeled, while not as plush as most like that, the rooms were very comfortable. As I was a guest there just to take cull animals for the camp I thought I would be in the crew quatres. I was well looked after there.

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Re: What happens to the meat of your trophy [Re: Rule303]
      #387187 - 11/10/24 05:23 PM

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The one that wasn't, cratered for the well heeled, while not as plush as most like that, the rooms were very comfortable. As I was a guest there just to take cull animals for the camp I thought I would be in the crew quatres. I was well looked after there.



Sometimes the PH, Appy, etc share a guest cottage, room, even one to each if available. Sometimes several to a room if the place is near full.

My first safari, the PH Ahad the cottage next door. The farm owned by multi multi millionaires. In the pre Mugabe days parties at the farm down the road from Bulawayo.Seven guest cottages plus the house. We were the only hunters there.

Othertimesm it's some aweful "shed" or chook shed, dog house type quarters. I saw once. Not the PH image aspiring wannabes think is the norm when staying in the client accommodation.

You were probably lucky not to be in crew quarters.

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