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Hendo
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Mauser 98 and others with receiver dovetail
      #386284 - 10/08/24 03:09 PM



I have a 54 Winchester in 30-06 with a dovetail on the front receiver for a previously used scope mount.
I'm seeking views on safety of rifles with a similar dovetail. I have seen quite a few Mausers on this Forum and there are a number that are used at my local gun club. Most of those I've seen are 98's.
I approached a gunsmith recently to fill the dovetail with a blank so that I can fit a Redfield Jnr bridgemount in the existing holes. but he refused saying that the rifle is too dangerous to shoot.
Another Gunsmith says its only an issue if I rebarrel to a magnum type calibre. (I have no intention of doing this)
Any thoughts, feedback on experience with Dovetailed receivers.

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Hendo
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Re: Mauser 98 and others with receiver dovetail [Re: Hendo]
      #386285 - 10/08/24 03:10 PM

It looks like my first attempt at posting a photo has failed. Any suggestions on what I did wrong?

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Re: Mauser 98 and others with receiver dovetail [Re: Hendo]
      #386288 - 11/08/24 12:19 AM

While I would prefer a soldered on base over a dovetailed receiver ring, it was common practice for European makers as well as Mauser themselves to do this.
In the case of the very early '98s with the original Mauser scope bases, Mauser dovetailed the front base into barrel right over the chamber! This is the same system that Rigby adopted as their method of scoping. Never heard of one of those blowing either.

The Winchester 54 receiver ring isn't as robust as a large ring Mauser '98 so that may be a consideration although the rifle has most certainly seen use as it is.
I have no idea why a gunsmith would patently dismiss such a rifle as unsafe. If he understood the design of the bolt and action and how they work together he wouldn't be so dismissive.

It sounds as though the dovetail is pretty small if it is between the screw holes on the action.
The new base will obscure most of it and it really is more of an aesthetic fix than a necessary one.

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Re: Mauser 98 and others with receiver dovetail [Re: Huvius]
      #386297 - 11/08/24 02:17 PM

I am probably wrong but I was under the impression that while this was common in the early days, it is no longer accepted due to safety concerns. So much so that European proof houses will refuse proof should anyone try to re-barrel such an receiver.
Hopefully one of our more knowledgeable members will chime in.

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Re: Mauser 98 and others with receiver dovetail [Re: Hendo]
      #386299 - 11/08/24 08:40 PM

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Hendo, as you know this isn't working. My suggestion would be open an imgur.com acct and then upload the picture there and try again. (You need to use a picture storage type website. I suggest Imgur cause it works for me, but there may be others)

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Re: Mauser 98 and others with receiver dovetail [Re: LRF]
      #386316 - 12/08/24 04:50 PM

Thank you Huvius and Hunter, P O Ackley did a series of blow up tests and the Mauser 98 with the dovetail failed with an overload that was less than that for the standard receiver 98 but we're talking overloads far in excess of the capacity of the 30-o6 case. (he used a Ackley magnum calibre)
I've seen quite a few old Mausers with dovetaisl that are still shooting today and I have not read about any blowups or warnings. but I just wanted to get feedback from members here who have had far greater experience with Mausers that me.

Also thanks LRF, I will set up Imgur.

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Re: Mauser 98 and others with receiver dovetail [Re: Hendo]
      #386319 - 13/08/24 02:28 AM

Hendo,

Thanks for raising the issue. I have always wondered how safe those Mausers and Mannlichers with dovetailed receiver were. It just seemed like they were significantly reducing the sytrength of the rifle. However, as you say, there are a number of rifles with dovetailed receivers that are still in good shooting condition.

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Re: Mauser 98 and others with receiver dovetail [Re: 85lc]
      #386331 - 13/08/24 08:27 PM

Hi Hendo,

There are dovetails and dovetails...By the way, the ones machined at Mauser factory are very shallow and, usually but not always, Mauser used receivers with small thread diameters barrels. This means a bigger front bridge wall with more metal to work on. This one factory made seems to be OK for the original cartridge.
I have seen other works by "gunsmith" that are dangerously made in my opinion...
Anyway, today in Germany no one of this receivers, made at the Mauser factory or not, are able to be reproofed for rebarrel, even for the same original cartridge.

Best!

PH

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Re: Mauser 98 and others with receiver dovetail [Re: PatagonHunter]
      #386949 - 27/09/24 09:47 AM

I was trying to have a claw base done recently and I talked with many top gunsmiths here and Europe , no one want to cut that front receiver even tho they know there are plenty of them out there , liability laws for sure as I dont ever remember anyone talking about an accident with the front ring cracking , Lester Womack has some pics in his book of 98,s that he did a bit of stress testing on Paul

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Re: Mauser 98 and others with receiver dovetail [Re: Hendo]
      #386951 - 27/09/24 03:51 PM

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I have a 54 Winchester in 30-06 with a dovetail on the front receiver for a previously used scope mount.
I'm seeking views on safety of rifles with a similar dovetail. I have seen quite a few Mausers on this Forum and there are a number that are used at my local gun club. Most of those I've seen are 98's.
I approached a gunsmith recently to fill the dovetail with a blank so that I can fit a Redfield Jnr bridgemount in the existing holes. but he refused saying that the rifle is too dangerous to shoot.
Another Gunsmith says its only an issue if I rebarrel to a magnum type calibre. (I have no intention of doing this)
Any thoughts, feedback on experience with Dovetailed receivers.



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Re: Mauser 98 and others with receiver dovetail [Re: NitroX]
      #386959 - 28/09/24 03:18 AM

dovetail a receiver was done for decades, never heard of anything that blowing up because of this. the proof house in Suhl still accept rifles with dovetail for proof if its not going trough.

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