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wtb - 416 Taylor dies
      #385445 - 26/06/24 02:37 PM

wtb - 416 Taylor dies - buckstix@aol.com

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Re: wtb - 416 Taylor dies [Re: buckstix]
      #385446 - 26/06/24 09:22 PM

Try CH4D.

https://chtoolanddie.com/calibers/416Tay

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Re: wtb - 416 Taylor dies [Re: DoubleD]
      #385448 - 27/06/24 01:29 AM

CH4D or perhaps Lee Precision Custom Shop. I think Hornady also has a custom shop now, but likely have to phone them.
CH4D will have a "standard" .416 Taylor die set of dimensions.
If your actual chamber is simply a .338 Win. Mag. necked up the CH4D dies will work fine.
Sending 3 fired cases may or may not change anything with them.

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Re: wtb - 416 Taylor dies [Re: DarylS]
      #385450 - 27/06/24 03:14 AM

Well, already been down that road.

CH4D told me 15 to 24 months for delivery - Although Lee offered them in the past for $40, they now lists them as "custom" - Lee told me it would be a $350 set-up fee, and then $165 for a 3 die set. I haven't bothered to call Hornady or Redding for fear they also would be too expensive.

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Re: wtb - 416 Taylor dies [Re: buckstix]
      #385451 - 27/06/24 07:47 AM

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Well, already been down that road.

CH4D told me 15 to 24 months for delivery - Although Lee offered them in the past for $40, they now lists them as "custom" - Lee told me it would be a $350 set-up fee, and then $165 for a 3 die set. I haven't bothered to call Hornady or Redding for fear they also would be too expensive.



Can you get somebody local to open 338Win Mag dies necks to 416 then reharden. I know a few in Aust do that with dies where it is just the neck needs doing.

I waited 3 years for CH4D to do a set of 358/338 RUM dies. Informed them all they had to do was run a 358 neck reamer into their 338RUM dies before hardening. Got sick of waiting after numerous excuses so after 2 years just sent Lee 3 fired case (don't know what I would have done if I did not have fired cases) and had the dies with in 2 months and the cost was very reasonable. Anyhow after 3 years CH4D contacted me and told me my 338, yes 338 RUM dies were ready, US$450 thank you. I politely told them what I thought and why.

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Re: wtb - 416 Taylor dies [Re: Rule303]
      #385463 - 27/06/24 10:45 PM

CH4D is under new management. Dave Davison passed away. He had been in poor health for several years. I believe a family member took over the business. Son, I think.

Another place you might check is Whidden Gunworks. https://www.whiddengunworks.com/standard-reloading-dies/

I had them make me set of .404 Express which was later called the .416 Barnes Jones Express. Chatfield-Taylor increased the shoulder dimension of that cartridge .005 or .006 and put his name on it.

Anyway the point I am trying to make is Whidden, working from three fired cases and made me a set of dies that are the finest set of reloading dies I have ever seen. Expensive yes, but money well spent.

For what it is worth, dies prices have gone up substantially. Nothing is cheap anymore. Even the amass produced dies are expensive.

Midway list sone Redding Dies for .416 Taylor.

https://www.midwayusa.com/product/101244296?pid=419376

Personally I rate Redding as the best mass produced dies on the market right now. Not saying Hornady or RCBS are poor quality, just saying Pacific is better. FWIW, my opinion.

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Edited by DoubleD (28/06/24 08:40 AM)

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Re: wtb - 416 Taylor dies [Re: Rule303]
      #385464 - 28/06/24 01:09 AM

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Can you get somebody local to open 338Win Mag dies necks to 416 then reharden. I know a few in Aust do that with dies where it is just the neck needs doing.




Now why didn't I think of that. Hell of an idea Greg. With Buckstix experience making stuff, he should easily be able to do that himself.

A lathe would be good, but a good drill press would also work.
In the past, I have used carbide concrete drills to open up RCBS dies for make a neck sizing die for my 9.6x62 & .375/06IMP. I used a shortened .300H&H die and using a green wheel on the bench grinder, ground down the 3/8" carbide concrete drill to the size needed for drilling the 9.3 sizer die without annealing it. Worked like a charm and actually made a smooth cut.
I used that die for 20 years.
After getting a .376/06IMP made up, I made another die using a new 3/8" concrete drill for sizing, then an expander plug to get the 'right' dia. for sizing. All this stuff is coming back to me now.
Where there is a will, there is a way.
I now have better dies for this, but they worked.
A 1/2" drill could easily be ground down to make a boring bit for the .338 Win. Mag, die.
At the time I did mine, I used a 3/8" drive adjustable speed hand drill with the dies held in a 6" bench vice.

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Re: wtb - 416 Taylor dies [Re: DarylS]
      #385466 - 28/06/24 04:03 AM

Doug,

I am sorry to hear that Dave Davison (CH4D) passed away. I had dealt witrh Dave some 15+ years ago and he was extremely helpful. Dave sent several detailed, dimensioned drawings for somewhat obscure cartridges to me.

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Re: wtb - 416 Taylor dies [Re: DarylS]
      #385473 - 28/06/24 06:52 AM

Daryl I think they those I am thinking of use a laser, similar to laser welding to open the neck. Then anybody that is handy with metal work and has the tools could turn up the expander ball/rod if one can not be bought.

Edited by Rule303 (28/06/24 06:52 AM)

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Re: wtb - 416 Taylor dies [Re: DoubleD]
      #385474 - 28/06/24 06:55 AM

DoubleD, sorry to hear that bad news, it would explain the hassles I had.

I agree with you about mass produced dies. Lyman use to make a good die, do not know if they still do.

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Re: wtb - 416 Taylor dies [Re: Rule303]
      #385486 - 28/06/24 10:01 PM

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Can you get somebody local to open 338Win Mag dies necks to 416 then reharden


No need to re-harden, just polish (with a flapper) to prevent marring the case necks.
Never tried carbide concrete drills, but if using normal bits or a boring bar you will certainly need to soften first!

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Re: wtb - 416 Taylor dies [Re: Marrakai]
      #385491 - 29/06/24 01:27 AM

The concrete (carbide/blunt) drills were amazingly effective and did a great job. I did not have to polish afterwards, but might have to get the sizing correct. I don't remember that part.
They cut like a hot knife through butter.

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Re: wtb - 416 Taylor dies [Re: DarylS]
      #385493 - 29/06/24 01:45 AM

Well, all good suggestions. But just hoping to find a used set at a reasonable price to avoid going through all the modifications. I even considered shortening a set of 416 rem mag dies, but will wait a while first.

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Re: wtb - 416 Taylor dies [Re: buckstix]
      #385501 - 29/06/24 12:10 PM

Depending on the actual taper, that might work just fine, but would have to cut a new belt recess or make them short enough to negate that requirement.

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Re: wtb - 416 Taylor dies [Re: DarylS]
      #385503 - 29/06/24 01:40 PM

What's wrong with these?

https://www.midwayusa.com/product/101244296?pid=419376

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Re: wtb - 416 Taylor dies [Re: DoubleD]
      #385504 - 29/06/24 02:27 PM

I you are going to bore hardened steel on the lathe you can use Ceramic tips which does't require any annealing of the work piece.

You can use a Carbide Masonry Drill but it will need to be sharpened the same as a normal twist drill using a Green Silicon Carbide green wheel. Alternatively Carbide Ratio Drills can be purchased from Guhring.

Or you could just buy the Redding dies shown in the link from DD.


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Re: wtb - 416 Taylor dies [Re: DoubleD]
      #385505 - 29/06/24 03:10 PM

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What's wrong with these?

https://www.midwayusa.com/product/101244296?pid=419376

THE PRICE

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Re: wtb - 416 Taylor dies [Re: buckstix]
      #385507 - 29/06/24 04:37 PM

Are you being Serious???????

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Re: wtb - 416 Taylor dies [Re: Waidmannsheil]
      #385537 - 01/07/24 04:45 AM

Yes I'm serious. Lee sold dozens of sets for $40. I'm thinking there may be a used set out there some place that's a lot more reasonable than $265.

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Re: wtb - 416 Taylor dies [Re: buckstix]
      #385541 - 01/07/24 09:11 AM

The $265 Midway price does seem high, I thought you guys would be paying much less than that for dies.
On our national Trade site at the moment is a new set of Redding 416 Dakota custom series dies for the equivalent of US$122 and a new set of Redding 416 Ruger B series dies for US$85, both prices including shipping within NZ.
I guess dies for the 416 Taylor might be rarer.

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Re: wtb - 416 Taylor dies [Re: eagle27]
      #385542 - 01/07/24 09:19 AM

Something to think about:
although dies are a reloading component, they are not consumable and only have to be paid for once, thereafter lasting a lifetime.

We certainly couldn't afford (pun intended) to baulk at that price for new custom dies here in Australia!

...although cheaper is always preferred of course.

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Re: wtb - 416 Taylor dies [Re: Marrakai]
      #385544 - 01/07/24 11:08 AM


Yeah I would agree, and Lee Dies are not Redding dies, there is quite a difference. The amount of machining and material/heat treatment costs that are associated with a set of dies is quite significant, even with mass production. I am often surprised that they can sell for the price they do.

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Re: wtb - 416 Taylor dies [Re: Waidmannsheil]
      #385547 - 01/07/24 01:09 PM

I have over 400 sets of reloading dies, both commercial and custom, and I find no significant difference between any of the various makers. All work as intended for reloading ammo. Its mostly personal preference, not function, that some people prefer a particular brand. Paying more for one brand over another, makes absolutely no sense to me. Here are some, but not all, of my reloading dies.



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Re: wtb - 416 Taylor dies [Re: buckstix]
      #385550 - 01/07/24 09:07 PM

Geez Buckstix, you're really stifled for choice mate!

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Re: wtb - 416 Taylor dies [Re: 93x64mm]
      #385551 - 01/07/24 09:49 PM

The biggest problem I have, is when I need to reload for a rifle, the dies I need are always on the bottom of the stack.

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